Two New iPhone Models, iPhone 5 Design Seeing Production Delays?

[TennisandMusic]

Call me when the iPhone is as open and customizable as Android. Until then, iOS's shackled down restrictions dont hold a candle to Android. You can't even dispute this.

Some of us prefer to make the phone catered to our OWN preferences. iPhone may be fast, lag free and so easy to use a monkey with half a brain could figure out (not surprising that the iphone is selling so much, the general public is very stupid), but when it comes to anyone thats remotely tech savvy, will know the shortcomings of iOS.

I'm technically savvy. I am an engineer. I write software. I love my iPhone because of the fact it works incredibly well and I don't spend time fiddling with it to get it to work.

Being a tech nerd is not being "technically savvy". It just means you like to fool around with gadgets. I would rather be spending my time creating something rather than messing with my possessions. They should just do what I want. The iPhone does this better than any other phone platform at the moment. That is why it is so popular.

P.S. I had a Samsung Galaxy phone for about a month. It sucked.

 

[wikus]

that resolution on a such a small screen i'll need a magnifying glass to read anything

on the plus side i've read of rumors that HTC will have a camera in a phone that can take RAW photos

1) Resolution on a small screen? You can bet your life that the display *will* scale items so the user can read/see items clearly. This didn't change iOS, so why do you think it will change Android for the worse?

2) RAW format on a crappy sensor is useless. For a number of reasons;
a) regardless of megapixel size, phones photo quality are ALWAYS crap. Take any regular point and shoot and the difference is astronomical. Compare it to a dSLR where RAW is frequent, and the difference is beyond that. the reason is because higher megapixel counts on a sensor are actually sensors made smaller, crammed together. when a photo is taken, the sensor is exposed and it itself produces some heat. the more sensors, the more heat. HEAT is what makes so much noise in pictures.
b) RAW format takes up a lot of space. Limited space on phones (especially androids) will be a huge burden.
c) battery life on smartphones is terrible as it is, no need to make it worse by adding a nearly useless format that takes longer to process for writes and reads.

There really needs to be a cut off point where extra megapixels arent needed, mainly due to quality. I think most of us would be content with 5mp. Who even prints that large from a phone anyway?

 

[AIP5]

Hmm, so maybe what the Foxconn CEO was complaining about when he said that Apple's devices are too thin to manufacture, he actually might have been referring to the iPhone 5. If it does turn out to be as thin as the cases depict, then my God, that is incredibly thin for a phone!

I just hope that I can grab one before the shortages begin. Not sure if pre-ordering will work.... (didn't the iPad pre-orders take weeks to fulfill?), so I might have to camp out at an Apple store for the first time...

 

[wikus]

What's the point of taking RAW photos with a sensor the size that will fit in a phone? Without a larger sensor, all you will get is more pixelation, not more detail.

You think that being fast, lag-free and easy to use is a BAD thing? Good thing you're not on the design team. The products that will have the most success are the ones with exactly these characteristics. You have to cater to the masses, not the few who are tech savvy.

Your reading comprehension skills are poor. I clearly stated that the iPhone *is* all of those things.

To repeat; all that into consideration, its STILL a locked down phone with little room for customization.

 

[Widashy]

Call me when the iPhone is as open and customizable as Android. Until then, iOS's shackled down restrictions dont hold a candle to Android. You can't even dispute this.

Some of us prefer to make the phone catered to our OWN preferences. iPhone may be fast, lag free and so easy to use a monkey with half a brain could figure out (not surprising that the iphone is selling so much, the general public is very stupid), but when it comes to anyone thats remotely tech savvy, will know the shortcomings of iOS.

Ever heard about Jailbreaking Phandroid, because if you heard then you probably know that each and every aspect of iPhone is customizable with Jailbreaking. Whether be it Themes, Lockscreens or Widgets.
And talking about Lag free and easiness, Android developers have only one aim - To make Android lag free and more easy, they are going in Apple's way. So certainly they are very wrong in their direction, they should go backwards right?! I don't know who is more stupid, You !! or me that is replying to your post.

 

[wikus]

I'm technically savvy. I am an engineer. I write software. I love my iPhone because of the fact it works incredibly well and I don't spend time fiddling with it to get it to work.

Being a tech nerd is not being "technically savvy". It just means you like to fool around with gadgets. I would rather be spending my time creating something rather than messing with my possessions. They should just do what I want. The iPhone does this better than any other phone platform at the moment. That is why it is so popular.

P.S. I had a Samsung Galaxy phone for about a month. It sucked.

My Android also works. But I get to have it work the way *I* want it to. Try flashing a custom ROM onto your iPhone. Let me know how that goes.

 

[AIP5]

Your reading comprehension skills are poor. I clearly stated that the iPhone *is* all of those things.

To repeat; all that into consideration, its STILL a locked down phone with little room for customization.

I agree with you on the thinking that iPhone's not as customizable as Android phones... but that to me is a choice in customization in itself. If you prefer customizability and variety, there's android, and if you prefer the static-ness of iPhone and the "just works" mentality (like myself), then there's the iPhone.

I don't see why there's a war of words between the Android and iPhone camp. They're two different philosophies... one allows customization, the other provides a "just works" atmosphere by locking it down.

To each his own!

 

[wikus]

Ever heard about Jailbreaking Phandroid, because if you heard then you probably know that each and every aspect of iPhone is customizable with Jailbreaking. Whether be it Themes, Lockscreens or Widgets.
And talking about Lag free and easiness, Android developers have only one aim - To make Android lag free and more easy, they are going in Apple's way. So certainly they are very wrong in their direction, they should go backwards right?! I don't know who is more stupid, You !! or me that is replying to your post.

I've never seen iOS with widgets. That new notifications bar is a ripoff from a independant developer (this was pointed out on gsmarena), and its hardly a widget.

I've also never seen iOS with anything but wackload of icons in grid format as its homescreen.

The same goes for its lock screen. Every iPhone (or iOS device) I've ever seen looks exactly like everyone elses. Thats fine, but like I said; that restriction SUCKS.

Are you actually going to argue with me because you dont believe in CHOICE?

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I agree with you on the thinking that iPhone's not as customizable as Android phones... but that to me is a choice in customization in itself. If you prefer customizability and variety, there's android, and if you prefer the static-ness of iPhone and the "just works" mentality (like myself), then there's the iPhone.

I don't see why there's a war of words between the Android and iPhone camp. They're two different philosophies... one allows customization, the other provides a "just works" atmosphere by locking it down.

To each his own!

Agreed.

If criticism or the push for apple to give more choice/better products is frowned upon on macrumors, I don't think I belong on this site. Rational thinking doesn't seem to be very prevalent here.

 

[moetownslick]

My POS samsung instinct broke on me last week. If Sprint only gets the 4 at launch, I'm jumping on it.

 

[MacinDoc]

Your reading comprehension skills are poor. I clearly stated that the iPhone *is* all of those things.

To repeat; all that into consideration, its STILL a locked down phone with little room for customization.

Your argument appeared to be that a customizable home screen was preferable to being responsive and easy to use. It may be for you, but for most people, this is not the case. And just because someone prefers something that is responsive and easy to use, this does not make them stupid or not tech savvy.

BTW, my reading comprehension is just fine, thank you, and personal slurs against members are strongly discouraged.

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That new notifications bar is a ripoff from a independant developer (this was pointed out on gsmarena), and its hardly a widget.

That independent developer is now employed by Apple. You can hardly call it a ripoff.

 

[KnightWRX]

Your argument appeared to be that a customizable home screen was preferable to being responsive and easy to use. It may be for you, but for most people, this is not the case. And just because someone prefers something that is responsive and easy to use, this does not make them stupid or not tech savvy.

Except Android is responsive, easy to use and customizable.

You know, choice and customizability does not have to come at the cost of "working".

But then again, you shown in a lot of threads you just don't know Android. You just repeat the same thing you've heard all over. Your avatar is quite apt in this I'd say. A hologram repeating what is programming is telling me. God I hated that character on Voyager.

That independent developer is now employed by Apple. You can hardly call it a ripoff.

That independant developer took his idea from Android anyhow.

 

[MacinDoc]

If criticism or the push for apple to give more choice/better products is frowned upon on macrumors, I don't think I belong on this site. Rational thinking doesn't seem to be very prevalent here.

Nothing wrong with choice and variety. They're just maybe not as important as stability, reliability, functionality, security and ease of use, at least when it comes to a commoditized product like a phone.

And yes, Apple always needs to be pushed. Fortunately, it usually pushes itself, too. I hope that the company never becomes complacent, like it did before its near failure the first time Jobs departed.

 

[wikus]

Your argument appeared to be that a customizable home screen was preferable to being responsive and easy to use. It may be for you, but for most people, this is not the case.

Again, read what I wrote:

Some of us prefer to make the phone catered to our OWN preferences.

And just because someone prefers something that is responsive and easy to use, this does not make them stupid or not tech savvy.

Please point out where I said that. Again, youre not reading properly into my comments. I clearly said the success of iOS is for its ease of use and speed:

iPhone may be fast, lag free and so easy to use a monkey with half a brain could figure out (not surprising that the iphone is selling so much, the general public is very stupid)

BTW, my reading comprehension is just fine, thank you, and personal slurs against members are strongly discouraged.

Please point out where I made *any* personal slur against anyone.

Please don't waste anyones time on Macrumors by skewing what anyone said.

 

[MacinDoc]

Except Android is responsive, easy to use and customizable.

I'm glad it's been responsive for you. Unfortunately, that has not been the case for many others, myself included.

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Again, read what I wrote:





Please point out where I said that. Again, youre not reading properly into my comments. I clearly said the success of iOS is for its ease of use and speed:





Please point out where I made *any* personal slur against anyone.

Please don't waste anyones time on Macrumors by skewing what anyone said.

You stated that "your reading comprehension skills are poor". I would consider that a personal slur.

 

[wikus]

I'm glad it's been responsive for you. Unfortunately, that has not been the case for many others, myself included.

And I've had people come to me and complain about their iPhone lagging. The 3GS in particular. Apple's products aren't perfect either. Phone, or computer. My Macbook Pro's gpu drivers are crap and don't connect to my LCD display. In windows, it connects fine.

You need to be more objective with Apple. Theres far too much obsessive behaviour with praise for Apple on here. I'm getting tired of it.

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I'm glad it's been responsive for you. Unfortunately, that has not been the case for many others, myself included.

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You stated that "your reading comprehension skills are poor". I would consider that a personal slur.

Because; either they are, or you purposely took my comments out of context.

 

[Sodner]

My Android also works. But I get to have it work the way *I* want it to. Try flashing a custom ROM onto your iPhone. Let me know how that goes.

I had a dozen different custom ROMS on my Droid but in the end what I was looking for wasn't so much customization, but something that worked.

iPhones, just work. Right out of the box.

 

[KnightWRX]

I'm glad it's been responsive for you. Unfortunately, that has not been the case for many others, myself included.

For me ? Don't get me wrong, my experience with Android is with handsets my co-workers and friends have. I have an iPhone. *points to sig*.

As for yourself, I doubt you have had a Android device recently seeing all the myths and falsehoods you spread about it.

 

[MacinDoc]

Please point out where I said that

Perhaps the part of your statement that made me think that you were suggesting iOS users were less intelligent was the part where you said "so easy a monkey could use it".

 

[NMBPPLS]

I would LOVE to buy the iPhone5 as soon as it is available!!!! *grrr*

But I don't see Apple in the position to present a "revolutionary" device... What can they offer, which is better than the Galaxy SII (which is already 1/2 a year old)?

The A5-chip is "only" 1Ghz (compared to 1,2 Ghz of th SII). I don't see them presenting an 1,5 Ghz-Chip ;( In terms of RAM there will be 1GB, which is nothing new... A Camera with 8MP (and Full HD Video), is also nothing new... Screen-size!? It will be simply catching up to 4" (or 4,3" compared to the SII)...

Ok... It will have a better build-quality... Not all this plastic which you find with the SII...

AND: iOS5 seems to be really cool (compared to the "fragmented" Android)...

But should this be the only "revolutionary" feature!?

I HOPE NOT!!!

And as there will be the NEXUS Phone coming soon, Apple will be clearly 2nd!!! (Not in Sales... But in Specs!!!)

 

[Ziger Woods]

ios 5

I just want ios5 on my ip4!!!!

 

[wikus]

Perhaps the part of your statement that made me think that you were suggesting iOS users were less intelligent was the part where you said "so easy a monkey could use it".

What? Seriously? This is not a con, this is actually praise for Apple. When did ease of use and that comparison ever become an insult?

 

[Widashy]

And I've had people come to me and complain about their iPhone lagging. The 3GS in particular. Apple's products aren't perfect either. Phone, or computer. My Macbook Pro's gpu drivers are crap and don't connect to my LCD display. In windows, it connects fine.

You need to be more objective with Apple. Theres far too much obsessive behaviour with praise for Apple on here. I'm getting tired of it.

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Because; either they are, or you purposely took my comments out of context.

WTF you are doing on Macrumors site !! You are just a troll, and a Phandroid like my brother who have nothing to show but Cluttery widgets and Awfully huge Phone screen. Why don't you go register yourself on some Android site blabbing about upcoming Prime and Droid HD. You have a place but I'm afraid you are in a wrong one, mate.

 

[KnightWRX]

WTF you are doing on Macrumors site !! You are just a troll, and a Phandroid like my brother who have nothing to show but Cluttery widgets and Awfully huge Phone screen. Why don't you go register yourself on some Android site blabbing about upcoming Prime and Droid HD. You have a place but I'm afraid you are in a wrong one, mate.

Wait, what does his liking Android have to do with him not belonging here ? I think that's a Mac Pro he owns there... yep, qualified for MacRumors.

Maybe you should go hang out on Apple Insider or Cult Of Mac if you want an "Apple fan site". This is a Apple rumors site.

 

[wikus]

Wait, what does his liking Android have to do with him not belonging here ? I think that's a Mac Pro he owns there... yep, qualified for MacRumors.

Maybe you should go hang out on Apple Insider or Cult Of Mac if you want an "Apple fan site". This is a Apple rumors site.

I actually have a mac pro, and a 2011 macbook pro. 2 more macbooks are in my household as well as an imac at work (a business I run). my router is an airport.

but i guess criticising the iOS platform for its shortcomings makes me a troll.

 

[The Game 161]

I just want ios5 on my ip4!!!!

Likewise

I will have my 4 till at least November/ dec so I plan to enjoy iOS 5