Two thoughts

[flat five]

No its not. When you press the button and quickly lift up your finger TouchID didnt get enough time to authenticate your fingerprint which is why you are shown the lockscreen or when you just want to see notifications and you use an unregistered finger. When TouchID authenticates your finger,it will unlock the lockscreen for you and go to home.

point was, the lock screen is shown every single time you use touchID to unlock the phone.. if you're saying it doesn't then you must have some special version of iOS that's unavailable to me.

You dont need to swipe up after it authenticates your finger. With FaceID, after it recognises your Face you have to swipe up on the lockscreen to go to home. This seems cumbersome imo.

with touchID, right.. you don't need to swipe up after it reads your finger.. you do, however, need to press a button before (or while) it reads..

with faceID, you can also do the action (swipe instead of button press) before it authenticates.

"The swipe and scan are simultaneous with no real waiting period or delay."​

which is the same with touchID.. the button press and scan are simultaneous with no real waiting period or delay.
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Hint: that’s why I said ‘after it unlocks’. I’m referring to ‘Rest to unlock’ wherein you press the home button, and it instantly scans your finger and takes you immediately into the home screen with no other action required, and no unnecessary delay on the Lockscreen.

hmm.. this is, i suppose, a bit silly to be arguing about since i've never actually used FaceID..

it's just that, from what i've read and seen so far, your description doesn't sound right.
there is no waiting on the lock screen then swiping to make it go away..

you effectively swipe the phone and it opens.. that's it.

(if you pay attention, you'll likely see the lock screen flash before it opens.. but my original point was that if you pay attention to the touchID process, you'll also see the lock screen flash before it opens)

 

[Applejuiced]

Not groundbreaking tech.
These are just small gimmick bell and whistle additions that where done many years ago.

Pull your head from under ground and realize that these are breakthrough technologies.

That's significant, even if you don't want to believe it.

 

[phpmaven]

FaceID isn't a breakthrough technology, it was implemented because Apple couldn't get fingerprint scanning to work under a glass display and it was it's fallback.


It's not using the exact same technology, but Samsung has face scanning and iris scanning that works very well.

Works very well? It can be fooled with a simple photograph.

 

[flat five]

Not groundbreaking tech.
These are just small gimmick bell and whistle additions that where done many years ago.

oh geez..
you're embarrassing yourself.

or, at the very least, proving to be an incompetent person to be arguing about technology and/or mass adoption of technology.

how about this-- go find a competent person from a technology field with a proven track record other than the ability to spew random empty thoughts on a user forum... go find that person who is saying similar to you to at least give somewhat of a backing to what you're arguing.. link it here.

good luck.

 

[geoff5093]

Works very well? It can be fooled with a simple photograph.

Not the Iris scanner

 

[Diorama]

Not the Iris scanner

Not ‘just a simple photograph’ but still, a photograph and a contact lens.

https://thenextweb.com/insider/2017...-scanner-fooled-photograph-eye/#.tnw_wE3eKv07

 

[rafark]

FaceID isn't a breakthrough technology, it was implemented because Apple couldn't get fingerprint scanning to work under a glass display and it was it's fallback.

Do you really think they thought "Oh well, we couldn't put a touch sensor we already have 90 percent the technology and components for, under the screen, let's develop a 3d scanning technology that scans your face from scratch using thousands of dots capable of mapping 3 dimensional surfaces and depth-aware in 6 months as a fallback instead".

Yeah, that pretty much sounds how it turned out, those technologies, their components, testing and providers just happen overnight...

It's not using the exact same technology,

"un"fair enough.

 

[Applejuiced]

So according to you what is so groundbreaking with this new device?
An OLED screen that's been around for several years? Wireless qi charging that's been around way before?
Face id that's been around for many years but slightly improved by Apple?
Most of it copied by competitors that have been around for years and supposedly an improved face detection option again late to the game.
For a price increase of $300 and loss of a home button that they couldn't get to work under the screen.
No thanks, not wasting $1100-1300 on that.
You can go for it though if you like it, it's your choice

oh geez..
you're embarrassing yourself.

or, at the very least, proving to be an incompetent person to be arguing about technology and/or mass adoption of technology.

how about this-- go find a competent person from a technology field with a proven track record other than the ability to spew random empty thoughts on a user forum... go find that person who is saying similar to you to at least give somewhat of a backing to what you're arguing.. link it here.

good luck.

 

[flat five]

So according to you what is so groundbreaking with this new device?
An OLED screen that's been around for several years? Wireless qi charging that's been around way before?
Face id that's been around for many years but slightly improved by Apple?
Most of it copied by competitors that have been around for years and supposedly an improved face detection option again late to the game.
For a price increase of $300 and loss of a home button that they couldn't get to work under the screen.
No thanks, not wasting $1100-1300 on that.
You can go for it though if you like it, it's your choice

there's a 3D scanner on a handheld consumer device.. that's groundbreaking..

the scanner can also do facial recognition (as in-- faceID isn't the only thing this technology is going to be doing.. touchID does one thing.. trueDepth cameras do more than one thing.. and personally, i'm more excited about these other capabilities as opposed to facial recognition alone)

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machine learning abilities inside a handheld consumer device (A11 chip).. that's groundbreaking as well.. (and probably pretty insane of a thought even 5 years ago).


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if i go with your line of thought, well, t.Edison invented* electricity.. everything after that which is electric is not groundbreaking.. Edison already did it.

(*for lack of simpler word regarding what Edison did with electricity)

 

[iSayBoourns]

No its not. When you press the button and quickly lift up your finger TouchID didnt get enough time to authenticate your fingerprint which is why you are shown the lockscreen or when you just want to see notifications and you use an unregistered finger. When TouchID authenticates your finger,it will unlock the lockscreen for you and go to home. You dont need to swipe up after it authenticates your finger. With FaceID, after it recognises your Face you have to swipe up on the lockscreen to go to home. This seems cumbersome imo.

Cumbersome like the Swipe to Unlock feature a lot around here on MR made many long threads about its removal last year with iOS 10?

 

[rafark]

So according to you what is so groundbreaking with this new device?
An OLED screen that's been around for several years? Wireless qi charging that's been around way before?
Face id that's been around for many years but slightly improved by Apple?
Most of it copied by competitors that have been around for years and supposedly an improved face detection option again late to the game.
For a price increase of $300 and loss of a home button that they couldn't get to work under the screen.
No thanks, not wasting $1100-1300 on that.
You can go for it though if you like it, it's your choice

The FaceId sensors are truly groundbreaking as there have never been implement in a tiny smartphone before. The technology is much more than FaceId, animojis was just an example of what is possible to do with it. I actually started a thread to discuss possible applications of the technology by third party developers: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/what-truedepth-camera-can-bring-us.2075591/

The goddamn notch like or hate it, it's a maximization of space at its best, it doesn't take space away, It gives you extra, otherwise unused space. Go get a cut screen like that one, it's miles hArder to make and develop than a standard rectangled one with a straight, even shape.

Overall it's not the non plus ultra of humanity evolution but in context it is indeed groundbreaking technology.

 

[Applejuiced]

It's not groundbreaking.
It's a gimmick feature to me.
I'll vote with my wallet

there's a 3D scanner on a handheld consumer device.. that's groundbreaking..

the scanner can also do facial recognition (as in-- faceID isn't the only thing this technology is going to be doing.. touchID does one thing.. trueDepth cameras do more than one thing.. and personally, i'm more excited about these other capabilities as opposed to facial recognition alone)

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machine learning abilities inside a handheld consumer device (A11 chip).. that's groundbreaking as well.. (and probably pretty insane of a thought even 5 years ago).


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if i go with your line of thought, well, t.Edison invented* electricity.. everything after that which is electric is not groundbreaking.. Edison already did it.

(*for lack of simpler word regarding what Edison did with electricity)

[doublepost=1507495705][/doublepost]I don't know, that animoji thing is also completely worthless to me.
Id take Touch ID and a home button any day over face id though

The FaceId sensors are truly groundbreaking as there have never been implement in a tiny smartphone before. The technology is much more than FaceId, animojis was just an example of what is possible to do with it. I actually started a thread to discuss possible applications of the technology by third party developers: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/what-truedepth-camera-can-bring-us.2075591/

The goddamn notch like or hate it, it's a maximization of space at its best, it doesn't take space away, It gives you extra, otherwise unused space. Go get a cut screen like that one, it's miles hArder to make and develop than a standard rectangled one with a straight, even shape.

Overall it's not the non plus ultra of humanity evolution but in context it is indeed groundbreaking technology.

 

[flat five]

It's not groundbreaking.
It's a gimmick feature to me.
I'll vote with my wallet

wouldn't you also then consider touchID a gimmick and not groundbreaking?

i mean, your reasonings outlined in this thread so far as to what or what not constitutes groundbreaking or gimmick, definitely point towards touchID being a gimmick and not groundbreaking.. maybe even moreso than faceID.

how'd your wallet voting go with that one?

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[edit]
and by voting with your wallet, do you mean you'd buy an iPhone instead of an iPhone?
because that's what it sounds like you're saying.

 

[Applejuiced]

I don't consider Touch ID groundbreaking either, it's good to have instead of typing a passcode and faster and easier to use.
I know some of you call animoji, wireless charging and face id groundbreaking tech. I guess my standards are higher and I just consider such small added features as improvements or additions.
Nice to have but not a must have that will make me whip out my card to get one
We all see and value things different I guess.

wouldn't you also then consider touchID a gimmick and not groundbreaking?

i mean, your reasonings outlined in this thread so far as to what or what not constitutes groundbreaking or gimmick, definitely point towards touchID being a gimmick and not groundbreaking.. maybe even moreso than faceID.

how'd your wallet voting go with that one?

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[9594864]

point was, the lock screen is shown every single time you use touchID to unlock the phone.. if you're saying it doesn't then you must have some special version of iOS that's unavailable to me.



with touchID, right.. you don't need to swipe up after it reads your finger.. you do, however, need to press a button before (or while) it reads..

with faceID, you can also do the action (swipe instead of button press) before it authenticates.

"The swipe and scan are simultaneous with no real waiting period or delay."​

which is the same with touchID.. the button press and scan are simultaneous with no real waiting period or delay.
[doublepost=1507484943][/doublepost]
hmm.. this is, i suppose, a bit silly to be arguing about since i've never actually used FaceID..

it's just that, from what i've read and seen so far, your description doesn't sound right.
there is no waiting on the lock screen then swiping to make it go away..

you effectively swipe the phone and it opens.. that's it.

(if you pay attention, you'll likely see the lock screen flash before it opens.. but my original point was that if you pay attention to the touchID process, you'll also see the lock screen flash before it opens)

Of course you’ll see the Lockscreen. You won’t have to move your finger and swipe upward which is inconvenient versus the Touch ID methodology.

 

[flat five]

I don't consider Touch ID groundbreaking either, it's good to have instead of typing a passcode and faster and easier to use.
I know some of you call animoji, wireless charging and face id groundbreaking tech. I guess my standards are higher and I just consider such small added features as improvements or additions.
Nice to have but not a must have that will make me whip out my card to get one
We all see and value things different I guess.

what are the things on iPhone that have made you whip out your card to get one?
[doublepost=1507497180][/doublepost]

Of course you’ll see the Lockscreen. You won’t have to move your finger and swipe upward which is inconvenient versus the Touch ID methodology.

how is pushing a button more convenient than swiping a screen?
to me, swiping is easier and more fluid than reaching to the bottom of the screen with your thumb.. not to you?
(i mean, you can test this today.. right now.. is it easier to push the home button on your phone or is it easier to swipe the screen?)

 

[9594864]

what are the things on iPhone that have made you whip out your card to get one?
[doublepost=1507497180][/doublepost]
how is pushing a button more convenient than swiping a screen?
to me, swiping is easier and more fluid than reaching to the bottom of the screen with your thumb.. not to you?
(i mean, you can test this today.. right now.. is it easier to push the home button on your phone or is it easier to swipe the screen?)

You understand that swiping is factually less convenient right? It requires more motor neurons firing. It requires the thumb positioned and hand securely holding the phone in order to perform with accuracy. It’s also at the bottom of the phone and in fact lower than the home button, so no idea what you’re talking about in that respect. Moreover, as I said, it requires two actions:

Tap screen > screen comes on > move thumb to very bottom and swipe the home indicator bar upward

Vs.

Press the home button > keep finger there for a tenth of a second

 

[TravisPNW]

1. Many people hating Apple for the premium price of FaceID.

I actually hate on Apple for the premium price of ALL their products.

AirPods? $159.99? Are they made of gold? My LG Tone 912 give me amazing sound and call quality, bluetooth wireless... for 1/3 the price.

Bought a MacBook/iMac lately? I bet that cost you a small fortune for hardware that was top of the line 18 months ago. I can build a PC with today's hardware for hundreds if not thousands less... and I did.

I enjoy the iPad and iPhone and will pay the premium because I've yet to find an alternative product that I liked better. Don't get me wrong... Apple does make quality stuff... but lets not think for a minute that any of their prices are non-premium of any of their products.

 

[flat five]

You understand that swiping is factually less convenient right? It requires more motor neurons firing.

lol.. ok.

Tap screen > screen comes on > move thumb to very bottom and swipe the home indicator bar upward

Vs.

Press the home button > keep finger there for a tenth of a second

you can also just lift it up and swipe it.. no tapping.


anyway-- i'm not going to keep arguing about this.. like i said earlier, it's a bit silly to do so.
i'll leave with this thought by people who have actually used the X:

you get used to not thinking about it very quickly, and when you go back to a Touch ID device, it feels broken that you have to touch the button to unlock the device.
​

i'll see you around next month when this discussion will be better based around actual real-world usage.

 

[Applejuiced]

No, swiping up and taking a selfie is not easier than pushing a button.

The original iPhone was groundbreaking tech unlike every other smartphone or feature phone out on the market back then.
Then after that marginal additions and improvements were implemented every year or 2 years. You cannot reinvent the wheel every year.
The cool and added bells and whistles are ok to have but not $1100 cool.
Many people feel the same that Apple is not innovating enough but jacking up the price outrageously high.
Not many will be willing to spend $1100-1300 for face id and a cutout OLED screen with a notch missing on top.
Just my 02

what are the things on iPhone that have made you whip out your card to get one?
[doublepost=1507497180][/doublepost]
how is pushing a button more convenient than swiping a screen?
to me, swiping is easier and more fluid than reaching to the bottom of the screen with your thumb.. not to you?
(i mean, you can test this today.. right now.. is it easier to push the home button on your phone or is it easier to swipe the screen?)

 

[TravisPNW]

No, swiping up and taking a selfie is not easier than pushing a button.

The original iPhone was groundbreaking tech unlike every other smartphone or feature phone out on the market back then.
Then after that marginal additions and improvements were implemented every year or 2 years. You cannot reinvent the wheel every year.
The cool and added bells and whistles are ok to have but not $1100 cool.
Many people feel the same that Apple is not innovating enough but jacking up the price outrageously high.
Not many will be willing to spend $1100-1300 for face id and a cutout OLED screen with a notch missing on top.
Just my 02

Well said... I feel the same way!

Sorry Apple, don't give a rats about animojis!

 

[flat five]

for fun, do this-

press your home button 100 times
swipe up on your phone 100 times

which one is easier
which one is faster

if you're going to reply 'the button' then.. i don't believe you ..srry

 

[Applejuiced]

If you say so.
I prefer to just push the capacitive home button.
Very easy to find without looking and in a fraction of a second it lets me in the homscreen

for fun, do this-

press your home button 100 times
swipe up on your phone 100 times

which one is easier
which one is faster

if you're going to reply 'the button' then.. i don't believe you ..srry

 

[phpmaven]

Not ‘just a simple photograph’ but still, a photograph and a contact lens.

https://thenextweb.com/insider/2017...-scanner-fooled-photograph-eye/#.tnw_wE3eKv07

As demonstrated in numerous videos, all it takes is a simple photo. I was referring to the facial recognition, however the iris scanning is not much better as you pointed out.

 

[tsturbo]

Applejuiced, where are these MANY people you are referring to, I have not seen or heard of them?