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Whats all this talk about iphone 12 when iphone 11 is not even out yet..
Trying to get attention away from this years new iphone?
Sigh
 
I wish this would have explained what Time of Flight means

From the article:

ToF systems use laser technology, calculating the time it takes for a laser to bounce off of surrounding objects to create a 3D image of what's around you. ToF offers up more accurate depth perception, resulting in better placement of virtual objects, and it should offer up improved images thanks to the more advanced depth information.

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I know, it’s an awesome term for a relatively unexciting technology compared to the notions it conjures up. Every time I hear that term, it makes me hope for an iPhone that is suddenly going to allow me to fly through time. Sadly, that’s not going to happen this year. ;)
 
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How is that going to benefit an end user?

Faster focussing. Better focus tracking for moving subjects. Better portrait modes that more accurately discern person from background and which work for things other than people and pets. Better AR that can more accurately understand when objects pass in front of each other.
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From the article:

ToF systems use laser technology, calculating the time it takes for a laser to bounce off of surrounding objects to create a 3D image of what's around you. ToF offers up more accurate depth perception, resulting in better placement of virtual objects, and it should offer up improved images thanks to the more advanced depth information.

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I know, it’s an awesome term for a relatively unexciting technology compared to the notions it conjures up. Every time I hear that term, it makes me hope for an iPhone that is suddenly going to allow me to fly through time. Sadly, that’s not going to happen this year. ;)

That wasn't in the article when the person posted their question.
 
I wish this would have explained what Time of Flight means
My guess is that they send a pulse to the target and wait until they receive the reflection to determine how far the target is as in radar and lidar. I think the more modern forms of lidar are moving away from this towards frequency modulated continuous wave (FMCW) lidar where a frequency swept tone is used instead.
 
A giant lens would do you no good. The problem they need to overcome is sensor/pixel size. They need bigger sensors. The difference between a good Canon/Nikon/Sony SLR/mirrorless camera and an iPhone camera is more about the difference in sensor size than lens size.

Since that’s difficult to do in a phone, they computationally achieve similar results with multiple smaller sensors.

I'm not sure how to calculate which is more important (sensor or lens) but surely there is much to gain with a good lens. The last lens I bought cost more than my camera.
 
Anyone else not giving a single **** about the 2019 iPhones? It seems like Apple really phoned it in looking at the rumors of the iPhone 11 looking like yet another camera spec bump like the "S" line.
Or, it could be that their in-house security is doing a better job this year at keeping information from leaking out.

The bits that people such as yourself are getting bored by are random rumors - we have no idea at this point how much, or how little, of the actual next iPhone those rumors cover - there's no guarantee that those rumors (even if accurate) cover any given specific percentage of the new phone's changes/features (say 90% or 50% or 10%).
 
what is a time of flight lense though?
Maybe it separates the visible light image from a returning infrared pulse used for ranging like a frequency/wavelength dependent splitter? That way the image goes to the main camera sensor and the ranging info to another sensor. Just guessing.
 
still barking up the wrong tree.
How about clear call quality and great modem connectivity?
AR is one of those gee wiz technologies  is trying to jamb down our throats when not a single soul asked for it.

These posts make me laugh. No one asked for the iPhone in 2007 either yet here we are with a phone that's like magic compared to the '07 model. And it's full of useful functions that 'no one asked for.'

AR will be incredibly useful when it matures whether you think so or not.
 
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Multiple lens are more powerful than one giant lens. That's why we have two eyes instead of one, and why a bee has a thousand "eyes". The brain can combine multiple images together and get more detail that a single lens could capture alone.

Sorry but I had to jump in:

We have 2 eyes for binocular vision (and redundancy). I can't think of any animal or insect with only one eye.
Insect eyes are very low resolution.

:)
 
Whats all this talk about iphone 12 when iphone 11 is not even out yet..
Trying to get attention away from this years new iphone?
Sigh

I still don't understand what we're supposed to do with this information. 2 years from now, iPhones will feature time-of-flight cameras. So what?
 
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I'm not sure how to calculate which is more important (sensor or lens) but surely there is much to gain with a good lens. The last lens I bought cost more than my camera.

Me too. But the difference between my Summilux 35M and my zeiss on my A7Rii is much less than the difference between the A7Rii and the iphone camera.
 
Two of the iPhones set to be released in 2020 will feature 3D sensing rear camera setups with time-of-flight (ToF) camera lenses, according to Apple analyst Ming-Chi Kuo who shared the info in a note to investors that was obtained by MacRumors.

A time-of-flight camera system measures the time that it takes for a laser or LED to bounce off of objects in a room, providing an accurate 3D map of the surroundings.

All three of the new iPhones are also expected to feature a front-facing camera system with Face ID, which deviates a bit from some rumors that have suggested an under-display fingerprint sensor could be coming to some 2020 iPhone models...

I wish this would have explained what Time of Flight means

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Really? I don't wish to be rude, but it's right there in the article. o_O
 
RE: "Kuo goes on to say that a rear time-of-flight camera would bolster photo quality and offer new and improved AR applications."

Pick you % estimate, & anybody's guess is as good as anybody elses'.

I'm going with 90%.

Very specifically, I'm saying that 90% of ALL the photos taken on an iPhone are taken by females between 13 & 28 !

And, they don't care about AR apps !

They're into Female Photo Modeling, both Amateur & Professional, solo & with their girlfriends.

Improved Depth Data Maps will bring iPhones closer to Nikon & Canon cameras with BIG FAT lenses !

That is the #1 benefit ! ... BY FAR !

There isn't even a close 2nd.
 
You shine a laser out of the phone and time how fast it bounces back. The camera can thus easily build up a 3-d understanding of how far everything is in front of it. Allows easy capture of 3-d models ,but also provides useful information about what to focus on and how to focus.

I just could not this go. No we can’t film and measure the speed of light with our phones. We can’t measure how « fast » it bounces because it would mean if have a circuit/shutter that is faster/multiple of the speed of light which is just crazy to say. That technology is not available for earthers yet.
The tof captor is able to determine the distance by calculating the difference of phase between the emiting and received laser. But it does not measure the time between when it’s sent and reflected and received again.

édit: my bad, it seems we can do that? Although wavelength can also be used.
 
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Is now Apple copying android feature ? :confused:

This is a really silly thing to say on your part. iOS and android both have competing features that might be slightly different from each other, and they might be working a new features for future product development through R&D, but it doesn’t mean they’re copying each other. The same could be said about any competitor really that has similar technology to Apple, Samsung or LG alike. It’s all competition.
 
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