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U.S. Antitrust Legislation Would Require Users to Be Able to Delete All Pre-Installed Apple Apps [Updated]

levitynyc said:
Microsoft was almost broken up because they installed IE on Windows PCs 25 years ago. What Apple, Microsoft, and Google have gotten away with the past 15 years or so is incredibly far beyond that.

This legislation makes total sense and I support it.

Monopolies are a bad thing folks.
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so u want system important apps like imessage facetime etc to be removed? well that makes the phone kinds naked dont u think? the standart apps on mobile phones are part off the system end experience unlie on Desktop commputers.

This Bill is total BullSh.....
 
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jimothyGator said:
Three reasons:
  1. Lobbyists from the likes of Epic and Pandora who want to leverage what Apple has built without paying for it.
  2. Bipartisan hatred for big tech. This itself has several causes, including disdain for capitalism and profits, fear that their side is being censored, and fear that the other side isn't being censored.
  3. Their constituents are constantly writing and calling to complain that their phones and computers are too easy to use, and that Apple and Google are providing too many useful services.
  4. Politicians are clueless and corrupt idiots who constantly posture for soundbites and acting tough against all boogiemen, foreign or domestic.
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Facebook, Instagram, What’s App, TikTok, Games, Spotify are the best things that ever happened to Apple. This stuff paired with Apple innovations has been firing their sales and profits since inception. These are ingredients to the smartphone wildfire, starting with the iPhone.

“1. Lobbyists from the likes of Epic and Pandora who want to leverage what Apple has built without paying for it.”

This is not really the reason. If it was probably Apple would be forced to share their iPhone sales with the aforementioned parties. That is not really the aim of regulators neither their role. Don’t think regulators will fall for these lawyers.

“2. Bipartisan hatred for big tech. This itself has several causes, including disdain for capitalism and profits, fear that their side is being censored, and fear that the other side isn't being censored.”

This contradicts the first observation. Both Epic and Pandora albeit not as big as Apple, they are part of the big tech group. They seam to also have profits.

If the all thing was just out of disdain of capitalism and profits, they would be also regulating these companies practices I guess.

“3. Politicians are clueless and corrupt idiots who constantly posture for soundbites and acting tough against all boogiemen, foreign or domestic.”

So what’s your solution. Privatize democracy?
 
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This laws are a nosense, if most users dont know what is a web browser how can they find a mail client in the impossible-to-find-anything app stores?

this would mean lot of troubles for people.

this is not the 90’s where common peolple using computers would only have mail and webbrowsing, now there are a tons of services depending of tons of apps, and people just dont want to study a master to find them.
 
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Iphones should come empty, so you can install your custom-home-developed OS, let the people have the oportunity of build their own company from their garage.
 
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iOS users should have a class action lawsuit on the US government for trying to ruin the OS that we bought into. That we invested our time and money into. That we signed up for. It is none of their business to try and ruin our platform like this. We bought into this platform because Apple has control over it. A platform that Apple has no control is not what we want. That means we would need a refund on the products we purchased and also compensation for the time we spent learning and adapting to this platform.
 
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Pretty reasonable idea actually, despite what 95% of the commenters here are saying. The idea that it would suddenly be some painful experience or that your phone would be useless — that’s what’s truly absurd. No one is talking about selling blank phones and telling people to just figure it out. Like everything, it’ll have plenty of UX research.

Also, if you’re one of the people complaining, I have news for you. In the area of antitrust, this proposed change is pretty small potatoes.
 
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Goodness I wish legislators would refrain from meddling in absolutely everything. This sounds like something the EU would dream up.
 
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how do you differentiate a utility app like the camera from a service app like Music or iMovie?

Either way, Apple can just install them quietly in the background and put a dialogue that ask the user if they would like these free 30 or so apps from Apple to be installed and everyone will click "NEXT" just like they do on the Google's T&S and there is no issue any more.
 
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_Spinn_ said:
How is this a win for consumers? Shipping a phone that is missing basic functionality because you have to hunt for the apps in the store is a terrible experience.
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I’d prefer it personally. Have a very basic browser installed and go from there or …..,,
Make it so that the App Store opens during the set up and you can choose to download the ‘default set’ or individual apps as you see fit.
 
DocMultimedia said:
And since the store is an app you won't even be able to do that.
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Yeah let’s be facetious and take it a step further.
I mean you could consider the GUI to be an app too couldn’t you. How about we all learn binary and do things that way.
During set up a screen pops up that asks if you want to download an Apple starter pack consisting of browser, App Store, movie maker etc or select from a list of apps with a brief description of each.
Yoy check the check boxes, a few mins later you have your apps.
 
Yeah the iPhone should come without a browser or an App Store (after all having a single App Store would be anti competitive). To install anything You would launch a terminal to do a git clone to pull down the source for the browser you want then make or gcc to build it before chmod +x so that it can run. Sounds like a perfect workflow the legislation proposers should be subject to as beta testers /s
 
This is a sad news but the only thing I enjoy of it is knowing that the representative of this reform legislation is a Democratic.
I hope Apple, this time, understand who are those "neoliberals" they always support.
 
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Unregistered 4U said:
No worries, you don’t have to address things that are inherently true. 👍


OH, it’s a coincidence that they’re exactly the same… only as long as you exclude the areas where they’re entirely different. If you exclude all the differences between McDonald’s and Burger King, they’re exactly the same, too.
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Please list the differences that you’re referring to so we can compare them with the similarities.
 
Including iOS itself? Can a device have it's own OS preinstalled? Or do we have to give people "choice"?
 
vipergts2207 said:
Just to save people the time spent in coming up with another extremely asinine comparison to cars or McDonalds, ask yourself if the companies you’re making the analogy with are part of a duopoly. If the answer is no, the comparison is stupid and completely useless.

Edit: A lot of 'disagrees' but not a single statement on how I'm wrong. Quite telling.
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I made the McDonald’s comparison but agree it was not was necessarily valid (it has many flaws as an analogy). I made it as merely an extension of the previous commenter’s (flawed) analogy to bring in the arguments from the Epic legal challenges.
 
mejsric said:
Microsoft is still dominant on PCs until now, years ago Nokia is dominant on phones. and no bill passed to remove the preinstalled nokia phone and messaging, msg graphic is not even compatible to other brand... and games also pre installed.
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did those phones even have an app marketplace for those types of apps?
 
H2SO4 said:
I’d prefer it personally. Have a very basic browser installed and go from there or …..,,
Make it so that the App Store opens during the set up and you can choose to download the ‘default set’ or individual apps as you see fit.
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I personally would dislike this. I want my Apple apps installed.
 
KaliYoni said:
This is a depressing development because it shows how the nanny law and elected-officials-choosing-private sector-winners-and-losers virus that usually stays at the local–or at most state–level has found vectors to Washington DC.

What I find most insulting about these types of regulations, bans, laws, surcharges, taxes, and fees is that they treat everybody as incapable of making informed decisions on their own. You know what? When I decide to drink a soda, I know it can be bad for me. Or when I ask for a shopping bag at a store, I know I am doing something with an environmental impact. And, when I see that Apple has put some apps on my new phone, I know that there are alternatives. That's why there's an App Store and a thriving constellation of websites, like MacRumors, where people can talk about the best software to use on their devices!
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Because many of these people are incapable of making decisions for themselves. You ever talk to a career politician? They are morons. The have staff because they would starve to death if they didn’t.
 
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