U.S. Antitrust Legislation Would Require Users to Be Able to Delete All Pre-Installed Apple Apps [Updated]

Maybe it is just me? Happy to buy an iPhone, use it with preinstalled apps and download what i´m missing. It´s not like buying a bloated pc.
 
fc4090 said:
Awesome, I was waiting for this day. Hope the bill passes and we get a better device without the Bloatware/BloatApp and user get a choice to install/use their preferred apps ...
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I think we all choose when we purchased the phone to begin with. What you seem to want is an iPhone that comes rooted so you can do with it as you please. And Apple doesn't have to do that.
 
Havoc035 said:
Next step, OS choice because you know, you absolutely have to be able to install Windows on iPhones. The step after that, only the phone frame is shipped and you get to pick your own components and assemble it.
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dont be ridiculous.. Operating system is differend than preinstalled apps.
 
WOW!!!! If this get passed, it will have a huge impact on the whole Tech industry.... will force to me make deep changes in some business models... I am super hocked of could happen
 
Khedron said:
No it isn’t. All phones work right out of the box.

You buy an iPhone because of the quality of the user experience during the years of use, not the experience during the first few minutes of booting it up.

Whenever I get a new iPhone it takes hours to get it set up properly with all my apps and data. In fact setup of an iPhone typically takes longer than other phones because of the need to sign in with an Apple ID and register the device etc.

If setup took an extra few minutes because apps like Apple TV and Fitness didn’t come pre-installed and I had to click an icon to get them then I wouldn’t cry that my entire experience was now ruined.
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Seriously? Getting a new iPhone is the simplest experience ever. all your data is stored in the cloud, your apps are already in the App Store. Some people even make backups, but I gave that up when I started using the cloud for all my data storage. So all you do is sign in and get your phone number registered. The phone does the rest. Maybe you are not using the cloud is why it takes so long?
 
Nick05 said:
I agree with you to a point. It has become a duopoly or is close. There was a dominant player in the smartphone market for a long time, you may remember the name Blackberry, and there was competition from Palm, Microsoft, and probably a few smaller ones. Apple decided there might be a market for an alternative choices and released the iPhone. neither before or after the launch of the iPhone did they buyout the competition or force anyone to buy or use their product. Their goal was to simply gain 1% of the marketshare. Google may have been a little shadier with their tactics and did buyout some phone makers, but they were already making the phones on android. I cannot think of any anti-competitive did either to force RIM, Microsoft, or Palm to collapse in the smartphone market. It was primarily based on people not buying those products any longer because a preferably alternative was available.

Walmart and Target basically have a similar situation in the US, but you could make the argument that Walmart did bully manufacturers into special pricing and strategically worked to destroy the competition. The government than helped kill the competition during COVID lockdowns that forced small businesses closed and allowed these large retailers to remain open. more fair comparison?
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The issue here isn't that Apple acted in an anti-competitive way to become one of the two dominant forces in smartphone OS's. They didn't as far as I know. The issue is that they're now using the aforementioned market dominance to act in anti-competitive ways with regard to third-party services and apps with which they directly compete. We're talking cloud services, gaming, music, TV, etc. All of these things are places where Apple offers services that other third-parties compete with, but since Apple runs the store and writes the rules, are able to structure things to (potentially) unfairly favor their own offerings with their market position.
 
_Spinn_ said:
How is this a win for consumers? Shipping a phone that is missing basic functionality because you have to hunt for the apps in the store is a terrible experience.
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Yep, it is so terrible. Search, "Apple Apps", select 15 apps, and go. That is a terrible experience.

You want to know a terrible experience? It is every freking Apple update taking me though 15 wack-a-mole alerts trying to force me to use Apple features that I consider security problems (like iCould.). How about in order to not use some iCould features you have to turn iCould on, then watch helplessly while your phone starts to sync, then turn iCould off and decipher the warning messages about how your data is being deleted, never knowing if you selected the right options.
 
Next step - Chevy won't be able to install their engines in a car - buyers would have option and have to have their own engine installed.
Among the stupidest things government has proposed and that is going a long long way
 
This is being pushed by Democrats in the house because Apple put the kabosh on Facebook’s privacy invasion. Suckerberg is buddies with the democrats. He helped them win the election so they owe him. He’s been after Apple since they enabled the privacy tracking features. Facebook can no longer track us and Zuck is losing millions because of it. That’s what’s really going on here. Apple loads the device with the apps for ease of use. You aren’t confined to use only those apps. This is absurd and a total waste of tax payer money.
 
rbwca said:
Stupid idea - the only reason to buy an iphone is for the Apple apps on it. If i wanted Google Apps, I'd buy an android phone :)
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You can still add every single apple apps on your phone, no one is declining it from you.
 
mrex said:
dont be ridiculous.. Operating system is differend than preinstalled apps.
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yah, don't be ridiculous, its the user experience which includes apps. you can always download others, there are millions of available apps. and if you are a Spotify, or WhatsApp or Facebook user are your really going to be swayed with pre-installed free alternatives (not Spotify, of course AM is a paid service, but if that is your choice, it remains your choice)?
 
Khedron said:
It’s a very common condition.

Zoom not pre-installed? No problem just use the App Store.

Skype not pre-installed? No problem just use the App Store.

Viber not pre-installed? No problem just use the App Store.

WhatsApp not pre-installed? No problem just use the App Store.

Facebook Messenger not pre-installed? No problem just use the App Store.

FaceTime not pre-installed? Absolute catastrophe. Overthrowing the government and abolishing all restrictions on corporations is the only solution.
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Hehehe. Absolutely. In essence its seams that people don’t like or understand Antitrust laws. There should be none applied to Apple, …, just to others.
 
vipergts2207 said:
Isn't it Standard Oil's oil to do whatever the hell they want with it? Isn't it AT&T's telephone network to do whatever the hell they want with it?

See how your argument has no merit in the light of anti-trust laws?
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Well, oil IS a natural resource that Standard took no part in the creation of, though. I don’t remember seeing Apple iPhone mines or Apple AppStore wells.
 
Chrjy said:
I would agree, although you could argue at that point you'll be the current generation of 'old people' and the youngsters will be saying the same about you as you fall behind the tech curve. :p
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Yea that’s fair but I think it might be different since we grew up with technology and computers. Or it might not, sorry in advance if so haha
 
Khedron said:
No it isn’t. All phones work right out of the box.

You buy an iPhone because of the quality of the user experience during the years of use, not the experience during the first few minutes of booting it up.

Whenever I get a new iPhone it takes hours to get it set up properly with all my apps and data. In fact setup of an iPhone typically takes longer than other phones because of the need to sign in with an Apple ID and register the device etc.

If setup took an extra few minutes because apps like Apple TV and Fitness didn’t come pre-installed and I had to click an icon to get them then I wouldn’t cry that my entire experience was now ruined.
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What are you talking about? I set up an iPhone for my mother the other day and it took half an hour migrating all her apps and content from android.
 
FlyBry said:
This is a different situation. At that time IE was tightly integrated into the OS and it was impossible to separate it from the OS. Running another browser was not seamless.
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Well one cannot run another browser in iOS. What you can do is develop different shell over the iOS browser engine. Apple got away further with bundling and stacking stuff vertically than anyone ever did in the tech business in the mainstream computing arena.
 
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MauiPa said:
Seriously? Getting a new iPhone is the simplest experience ever. all your data is stored in the cloud, your apps are already in the App Store. Some people even make backups, but I gave that up when I started using the cloud for all my data storage. So all you do is sign in and get your phone number registered. The phone does the rest. Maybe you are not using the cloud is why it takes so long?
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Yep, just do what Apple tells you to do and life is good. Does not get any better than that! But wait until you are no longer in Apple target demographic, or your needs are different, or your values are different, then you'll understand that blindly pledging yourself to the big corp is not so rosy. Freedom is easy to lose and hard to win back.
 
CTHarrryH said:
Next step - Chevy won't be able to install their engines in a car - buyers would have option and have to have their own engine installed.
Among the stupidest things government has proposed and that is going a long long way
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i really hope next step would be that people can choose their brains… Chevy is manufacturing their engine as apple is manufacturing their os, but on one doesnt say that you need to add tires from chevy to you car but you can also add another tires next to them from other manufacturer.
 
vipergts2207 said:
I think you perhaps should better understand why regulators are looking at Apple in the first place.
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Three reasons:
  1. Lobbyists from the likes of Epic and Pandora who want to leverage what Apple has built without paying for it.
  2. Bipartisan hatred for big tech. This itself has several causes, including disdain for capitalism and profits, fear that their side is being censored, and fear that the other side isn't being censored.
  3. Their constituents are constantly writing and calling to complain that their phones and computers are too easy to use, and that Apple and Google are providing too many useful services.
  4. Politicians are clueless and corrupt idiots who constantly posture for soundbites and acting tough against all boogiemen, foreign or domestic.
 
It really does seem ridiculous but perhaps on the launch of certain apps (which could still be pre-installed for quicker usage) you would have a launch screen pop-up selector.

quick mock-up below

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