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Would you be ok with Apple removing a gig of ram out of your phone after the sale? Obviously there are limits to what can or should be done via software. "Battery Service Needed" ... see how easy that would have been.

That’s a useless comparison, since RAM is hardware not software. Yours also involves removing something, which this update did not do. Of course there are reasonable limits on what companies would (and could) do; this update doesn’t even come close.
 
That’s a useless comparison, since RAM is hardware not software. Yours also involves removing something, which this update did not do. Of course there are reasonable limits on what companies would (and could) do; this update doesn’t even come close.

what if the software update somehow disabled 1 gig of the RAM? Does that make it clearer for you the comparison?
 
One of the largest companies in the US misleading customers, spurring dozens of class action lawsuits. I think it's totally reasonable for the government to look into it.
What law did Apple break?
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Multiple Governments are investigating this issue with Apple. Throttling users without any notice is not acceptable. Apple should be replacing everyone's battery for free that was impacted by the throttling. Not like that will ever happen though. Where is iOS 11.3 with the throttle button already? Apple is sure taking their sweet time in releasing that update.
What law did they break? Apple doesn’t guarantee specific hardware performance.
 
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I'd love to see this. Would give Apple the Elon's touch. The revel, daring and focus for brilliance, once again.

NOBODY would accuse Musk of having FOCUS. That's not the way he runs. And if you're bitching about an insignificant slowdown in phone operation, I'd like to see how you take the miserable quality of one of his cars, for instance.

I like the guy, but no, he's not the one.
 
This took 9 years at BMW and there are still issues.

I’m suggesting Apple didn’t do anything even remotely as bad as BMW. I don’t even think Apple did anything wrong. They just misjudged the impact for some users and/or there are some faulty batteries.

BMW has a history of reliability issue. That's why people lease BMW instead of purchasing.

Apple conveniently neglected to tell users about the slowdown and indirectly forced upgrade without users realizing their old devices were being sabotaged at Apple's discretion. You look at these two instances, you can't be happy about one over another.

Equally bad.
 
What law did Apple break?
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What law did they break? Apple doesn’t guarantee specific hardware performance.


possibly this, and I'm surprised the FTC isn't in there yet with the DOJ and SEC investigating.

https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/media-resources/truth-advertising

"The FTC looks especially closely at advertising claims that can affect consumers’ health or their pocketbooks – claims about food, over-the-counter drugs, dietary supplements, alcohol, and tobacco and on conduct related to high-tech products and the Internet."

https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2015/09/09Apple-Introduces-iPhone-6s-iPhone-6s-Plus/

"A9, Apple’s third-generation 64-bit chip powers these innovations with 70 percent faster CPU and 90 percent faster GPU performance than the A8, all with gains in energy efficiency for great battery life. "


My A9 processor was throttled to below the speeds of an A7 (5S) before I changed battery. Had the report not come out on the throttling, I most likely would have spent money on an 8 rather than change the battery.
 
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This has gotten beyond absurd.

Apple can do whatever they want with managing CPU and battery performance on any device at any time. It is beyond insane to suggest that anyone outside of Apple has any right to any particular level of CPU performance at any given time.

Tim Cook has embarrassed Apple by admitting wrong where none existed and has opened the company to undue scrutiny.

No, they can't if they advertise power and perfomance, it'd be a scam to not deliver what they promise, maxime if it's done on purpose. It's called false advertising, and it's ilegal.
 
Apple slowed down iPhones. As a customer, that’s not acceptable to me.

I don't mind the slow-down if it's (a) warranted and (b) publicized as part of the release notes/online notification etc.

(Have been left with an iPhone 6 that runs like a dog now, despite various battery apps diagnosing the battery as having 80% capacity... fortunately it's a work phone... they are paying the cost).
 
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I don’t consider clock speed reported by an App or benchmark a reliable source of device speed.

For that you’re going to have to run some Apps and compare their speed and responsiveness.

That's great, but between iOS 11.2.5 and 11.3 on the same battery my benchmarks almost tripled and while I wasn't complaining about performance before in daily usage scenarios, there is a noticeable improvement as the benchmarks would imply. Is it 3x faster? I can't really say, but at least I got a measurement not sponsored by a watch company.

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That's great, but between iOS 11.2.5 and 11.3 on the same battery my benchmarks almost tripled and while I wasn't complaining about performance before in daily usage scenarios, there is a noticeable improvement as the benchmarks would imply. Is it 3x faster? I can't really say, but at least I got a measurement not sponsored by a watch company.


Have you noticed any reboots or phone just randomly shutting off?
 
Have you noticed any reboots or phone just randomly shutting off?

Not reboots...more like resprings. I get the spinner for about 2-3 seconds on a black screen and then I'm back to my home screen. I've had three over the entire life of the phone, only one was before the 11.3 update. All three were in the last month and half, roundabout. I am due for a new battery, I'm at about 74% health IIRC according to Coconut Battery. Right now it's definitely not causing me any problems or even minor inconveniences.
 
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That's great, but between iOS 11.2.5 and 11.3 on the same battery my benchmarks almost tripled and while I wasn't complaining about performance before in daily usage scenarios, there is a noticeable improvement as the benchmarks would imply. Is it 3x faster? I can't really say, but at least I got a measurement not sponsored by a watch company.

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super fishy how your benchmark results improved out of nothing after they got caught....................
 
There should be an investigation regarding manipulation to the public for unnecessary upgrades. For example, I want to make a back up of my iPhone X, but my mac is asking me to upgrade the entire OS just to do that, why? I have Sierra and works great, I do not need to upgrade my system for something as trivial as a back up. It will affect the performance of my computer to worst installing crap I do not need and affecting other softwares.

The same with my iPhone 5. Yahoo needed for me to install new OS and other applications too, why? what processing I need to read a text message?

So all that is pushing you to upgrade to things you do not need. Then Apple comes and tell their share holders "everybody is running the new OS", but is not because people need it or loves it, is because Apple is making me, almost like black mailing me.

Have you followed any of the news (real news, not fake news) about security vulnerabilities, not only in various OSes like MacOS and iOS, but also in the hardware used in nearly every computing device?
 
This is all Apple had to do in the first place, it's not difficult to add a damn toggle switch and it would have saved them all of this hassle.

Had they done that, there would be none of this. If it was an optional feature, they could have even set the default settings up exactly as they are set up now, then left it up to users to change from the defaults if they choose to do so- just like we can opt to have bluetooth or wifi or cellular on or off... or set the brightness at various levels. Instead, they snuck in the code, got caught, tried to spin it as "for our customers" and now it's all this.

Consider this: let this be a Samsung phone story in which Samsung did the exact same thing for the exact same rationale and what would we have to say about that? I'm confident we would skewer Samsung to no end. But since this was an Apple move, the ADF has to rally, spinning this every way possible to try to deflate any negative at all in it. Can any one of the defenders say they would defend this move just as passionately if this was a Samsung phone scenario? I bet not. So what's the difference?
 
super fishy how your benchmark results improved out of nothing after they got caught....................
Indeed! I wanted to post something to this effect as well, but I'm glad someone else noticed.

I obviously can't say Apple did anything malicious here in good conscience but if they didn't have a fire lit under their asses, how long would it have taken an improvement of this scale to deploy to users? Ever?
 
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Oh but it's ok for carriers not to push out Android updates thus leaving their customers fully exposed and vulnerable to malware and trash? Right. Nice double-standard, feds. Go away. Stop pissing away our tax money on stupid stuff.
 
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The key is if this was specifically done to have users upgrade their devices sooner than they otherwise may have.

If this strategy led endusers to replace their phones rather than their batteries then I think it is a serious problem.
 
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Bunch of old white men with no technical background whatsoever "investigating" something which they know nothing about and of which absolutely nothing will come, except a complete waste of taxpayer dollars.

Checks out.
Ahhh, but they'll get interviews and sound bites in all the media about how they are protecting us and looking out for our best interests. What a joke; just more bureaucrats looking for publicity.
 
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