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It sounds like Apple is doing similar thing that BMW did to its customers. Only difference is that Apple apologized whereas BMW didn't.

The correct course of action would be for the gov to thoroughly investigate BMW customer complaint.

You are suggesting if gov let BMW go easily, they should let Apple go easily too.
BMW isn’t a US company. Apple is.
 
I sincerely doubt you could justify that straw argument with any other major product. When you push code stealthfully that changes the performance of devices you manufacture, that is equivalent to changing the code on a VW diesel to pass inspection.
The purchase was made with a specific specification for performance and that performance was changed. I think the EPA wouldn't buy that.

The performance changes for those with defective batteries, not for every single user. That’s a key distinction you’re missing.

And how is allowing devices with bad batteries to keep working the same as VW intentionally writing software to cheat on emissions testing?
 
The key is if this was specifically done to have users upgrade their devices sooner than they otherwise may have.

If this strategy led endusers to replace their phones rather than their batteries then I think it is a serious problem.
I can't think of a way this could be proven outside of a whisteblower or leaked admission, but I agree it is the most important question to answer from my perspective. Would be nice to have.
 
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Oh but it's ok for carriers not to push out Android updates thus leaving their customers fully exposed and vulnerable to malware and trash? Right. Nice double-standard, feds. Go away. Stop pissing away our tax money on stupid stuff.
we aren’t talking about android phones or carriers. We are talking about iPhones. Please stay on topic
 
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You need to reread what the other poster said. You appear to have misunderstood.

I said Apps reporting clock speeds AND benchmarks are not reliable tests.
 
possibly this, and I'm surprised the FTC isn't in there yet with the DOJ and SEC investigating.

https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/media-resources/truth-advertising

"The FTC looks especially closely at advertising claims that can affect consumers’ health or their pocketbooks – claims about food, over-the-counter drugs, dietary supplements, alcohol, and tobacco and on conduct related to high-tech products and the Internet."

https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2015/09/09Apple-Introduces-iPhone-6s-iPhone-6s-Plus/

"A9, Apple’s third-generation 64-bit chip powers these innovations with 70 percent faster CPU and 90 percent faster GPU performance than the A8, all with gains in energy efficiency for great battery life. "


My A9 processor was throttled to below the speeds of an A7 (5S) before I changed battery. Had the report not come out on the throttling, I most likely would have spent money on an 8 rather than change the battery.
Can you show me a terms of service where Apple guarantees that performance over the life of your device?
 
Funny. Did people think this had gone away just because no news reports had been out lately?

The lawsuits and government investigations will continue until a satisfactory resolution is found, whether that’s a settlement, a ruling, fines, new laws, or some combination thereof. All of this has just started.
 
You need to reread what the other poster said. You appear to have misunderstood.

I said Apps reporting clock speeds AND benchmarks are not reliable tests.

I don't consider a 6s, running at a clock speed slower than a 5s due to a poor battery, a slightly slower device.

I don’t consider clock speed reported by an App or benchmark a reliable source of device speed.

For that you’re going to have to run some Apps and compare their speed and responsiveness.

So you want us to run Apps to consider the clock speed, but cannot rely on a benchmark app for the clock speed?

Interesting.

Where did I say that?
 
I can't think of a way this could be proven outside of a whisteblower or leaked admission, but I agree it is the most important question to answer from my perspective. Would be nice to have.

This is why Apple will win all the cases claiming planned obsolescence. Nobody can prove this was done with malicious intent to force people to upgrade. For that you’d need to know what percentage of devices are getting throttled AND if the owner of that device bought a new iPhone only for that specific reason (they didn’t upgrade to get the newest features, better cameras, wireless charging, FaceID or because their carrier had a promotion).

You’d also have to show that the majority of devices are affected. Planned obsolescence requires this.

Further, Apple is doing $29 battery replacements. This restores full performance and is the exact opposite of planned obsolescence as it extends the life of devices for another couple years.
 
I can see it now. A Senate committee formed..everyone gets lab coats and lithium ion batteries and spend years testing what causes batteries to lose voltage over time and charge cycles.

Or...just read all of the literature out there about battery lifespans and decide if Apple should let iPhones die earlier or slow down to extend the battery life.
It should be up to the user to let the phone die/get the battery replaced or let it run slow. However this information was never properly communicated. Some people may have been fine keeping their device, and just paying for a new battery but no one informed them that this was an option.
 
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no but no disclaimer or notification from apple that they throttled until they were caught
Again tell me what law says they’re not allowed to do that. Even if you claim deceptive advertising there is nothing in Apple’s TOS or EULA that guarantees specific CPU/GPU performance.
 
This is why Apple will win all the cases claiming planned obsolescence. Nobody can prove this was done with malicious intent to force people to upgrade. For that you’d need to know what percentage of devices are getting throttled AND if the owner of that device bought a new iPhone only for that specific reason (they didn’t upgrade to get the newest features, better cameras, wireless charging, FaceID or because their carrier had a promotion).

You’d also have to show that the majority of devices are affected. Planned obsolescence requires this.

Further, Apple is doing $29 battery replacements. This restores full performance and is the exact opposite of planned obsolescence as it extends the life of devices for another couple years.

All of the iPhone 6/6s will be affected with current iOS version. Eventually the phone will be throttled if the battery isn't replaced at some interval unknown to the user.
 
Apple stock is a house of cards. With 5 billion outstanding shares it should drop like a stoned X with this DOJ news.
 
This has gotten beyond absurd.

Apple can do whatever they want with managing CPU and battery performance on any device at any time. It is beyond insane to suggest that anyone outside of Apple has any right to any particular level of CPU performance at any given time.

Tim Cook has embarrassed Apple by admitting wrong where none existed and has opened the company to undue scrutiny.

It has indeed gotten beyond absurd that so many people feel it's perfectly OK for companies to act as if they still own the product you purchased after you have paid for it. This goes far beyond Apple and this (relatively minor) incident: it's the issue of whether or not you actually control the products you have purchased.

Once you own it, it needs to be YOURS to do whatever you want with, period, and without interference. Look at Microsoft's unbelievable Win10 "updating" schemes, or what's going on with John Deere farm equipment owners - it's ghastly!

Apple absolutely was in the wrong here; not for writing software that prevents their phones from shutting off with older batteries by momentarily reducing speed (that's actually a pretty good idea), but for hiding this until they were caught - and for not providing a way to disable that feature until they were forced to do so.
 
Funny. Did people think this had gone away just because no news reports had been out lately?

The lawsuits and government investigations will continue until a satisfactory resolution is found, whether that’s a settlement, a ruling, fines, new laws, or some combination thereof. All of this has just started.
Apple waiting for this to blow over? Well, it ain’t happening. In fact, throttlegate is intensifying. Got caught with pants down and handing out a small bribe so people will forget. Lol. We got governments involved. Countries. This is all apple’s fault for taking so long to come out with a resolution that is 11.3. Results of digging in your heels instead of fessing up, giving people a throttle button and moving on.
 
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That’s a useless comparison, since RAM is hardware not software. Yours also involves removing something, which this update did not do. Of course there are reasonable limits on what companies would (and could) do; this update doesn’t even come close.

CPU's are hardware as well. Lets say Apple sells you a device with 3 gigs of ram, then uses software to disable 2 gigs..does that make it a better comparison for you. I'm willing to bet you wouldn't be a happy camper either.

If I wanted to buy a phone with the performance of a 5S I could have saved several hundred dollars and just bought a 5S.
 
Have you noticed any reboots or phone just randomly shutting off?
Probably less than 0.001% of owners will experience shutdowns. Shutdowns just an excuse to justify throttling and pushing a hardware upgrade. Oh, also get to avoid a battery recall. How nice. Follow the $$$ trail and it’s crystal clear.
 
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i have been waiting 3 weeks now for a battery. first two weeks were lost due to the genius at the local store apparently not actually reserving a battery for me. in the meantime, i had to upgrade to an iphone7 (used, swappa). i hope it was sold by someone who sidegraded to android!

these articles keep saying that "apple temporarily slows down the phone under peak load" but my experience is that if the battery drops below 80% then the CPU is throttled to 840MHz or 600MHz 'permanently'. my old iphone6 is barely usable.
 
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