I have the reverse argument. If we could have a third party app store, then I'd love to have one that's just good, curated apps. Right now, the official app store really is sort of a wild west. Then we could also get app upgrades, which might mean the end of all these subscriptions.
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U.S. Senate Judiciary Committee Approves Another Antitrust Bill That Would Allow Sideloading on iPhone
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If you don't trust Epic to sell you an app directly, why would you want their software on your device in the first place?
So then buy a different game. I see folks tell others "buy an Android," and so it seems that what's good for the goose is good for the gander. If that many people feel the same way you do, then there will be a massive market for other devs to take advantage of where consumers insist on only getting apps from the App Store.
They would absolutely loooove to stop sideloading on macOS too, so that they could sting everyone for the 15/30% Apple Software Tax. But that ship sailed long ago, and the very wonderful nature of macOS prevents undoing it.
Right..... just like they don't invest in dev tools for macOS?! Oh, oops, yes they do. Why? Because you can't sell a computer if there is no software that works on it. Which is the exact same reason sideloading won't stop Apple investing in iOS/iPadOS dev tools.
Yawnnn, and we still have MS Store, Steam, EPIC Store, GOG and manually downloaded Apps installed, sideloading must be evil. /s
Because once Epic starts on iOS, it will apply to Android. So there won't be any choice. If I want that game, I WILL need to side load. Choice is gone.
Yeah and in Steam I cannot buy Final Fantasy 7 Remake. So my choice of ONLY using Steam is no longer my choice but the developer if I want to play that game.
Please explain how getting something from Epic is "compromising the security of their phones"?
Apple’s ‘rules’ have been nominally static since the iOS App Store was created. Not sure what spurious unfair or overcharging rules you think they imposed. It seems the biggest issue is that the iOS Store has been a huge success to a large number of software companies and they don’t want to pay for the success that Apple helped them create.
And please don’t try to argue that it was all the developers idea and ”they” wrote the software. Apple created the iOS device, created a store for you to sell your ideas, and provided a simple SDK to create your product. Further, due to that store, the developer was able to work with one company and have access to MILLIONS of consumers rather than trying to deal with handfuls of small retailers. To see how good it is now, talk to older developers that had to market their product by getting it on to discs that were included in MacAddict magazines.
Like I said, buy a different game then. If you want that specific game, you'll have to get it from the dev however it is they're selling it. And as someone else mentioned, if you don't trust Epic enough to make the transaction, why in the world would you trust them to have software installed on your phone in the first place? It's not as if being on the App Store magically renders software free of malware.
Let me just make it crystal clear on my stance. If it can be 100% guaranteed that every single iOS app will remain on the App Store and all future apps will also be on the App Store, I have no issue with side-loading/installing from other sources. But I don't think anyone can make that guarantee.
If that guarantee is in the bill or someplace, let me know so I can acknowledge it. I will FULLY be on board with you embracing the side-loading. That is my ONLY concern with this is that App Exclusivity deals will mean said apps will NOT be on the App Store. Proof of this happening is Epic vs Steam.
The whole "you can keep the setting off" argument won't hold water if dozens of popular apps leave the App Store.
If that guarantee is in the bill or someplace, let me know so I can acknowledge it. I will FULLY be on board with you embracing the side-loading. That is my ONLY concern with this is that App Exclusivity deals will mean said apps will NOT be on the App Store. Proof of this happening is Epic vs Steam.
The whole "you can keep the setting off" argument won't hold water if dozens of popular apps leave the App Store.
Well same argument applies to you. Use a different app that is on the App Store instead of breaking iOS to allow side-loading/installing from other sources.
Because you would have to unlock it for sideloading which then means any app can be downloaded potentially in the background by a dodgy browser ad.
I don't know why people think apps will leave the App Store en masse because of the availability of side-loading. It seems to me that the intelligent dev would have their app available from themselves for $X and available on the App Store for $X+15/30%. Then customers can be free to choose whether everything the super special App Store experience offers is worth the premium to them.
And I can't buy "Oceanhorn 2" without subscribing to Apple Arcade! next();
Also wrong, I use that same Logitech MX Keys for my MBP, iPad Pro and PC, no messages or warnings.
Ok cool, now tell me where I can get emulators or adult content or marijuana apps on the App Store.
You can do whatever you’d like with it after you buy it. Add or take out whatever they may have missed or added. You can eat it and a day or two later take a **** in your toilet or the neighbor’s yard.
I agree with you. But no one developer made the iOS store a success. Now a small handful of developers are trying to change the mechanism of the store to a degree that other developers may be hurt by those changes. People seem to believe that the addition of sideloading or off-site purchases will not affect the TOS or the current cost structure. It likely will. And those changes may not be beneficial to the small developer.
At this point, as long as I can disable side loading capabilities from an organization stand point (be it a company or a household/family) then fine. But I don’t want to be tech supporting that or managing the potential vulnerabilities. If others are okay with it then have at it I guess.
Yeah kind of like Windows, MAC OS and Android already does? Wow innovation is great isn't it ?
Apples oranges. macOS is a full operating system that can host any number of tools to protect the user. iOS not so much.
Yes but without the App Store checks a dodgy developer could write an app that was basically a virus and harvest your data and list it elsewhere bypassing Apple’s checks.
I mean this happens on the official Google Play store for crying out loud. Now I’m not saying the App Store is perfect as some dodgy apps inevitably slip through but these are usually caught quickly which is why you don’t see half as many news stories about dodgy iOS apps vs Android.
You also have the apps that are just pure scams which offer a couple of day trial and then slam you with a massive subscription fee, now these are in the App Store but Apple also are good at refunding these too a friend had this happen recently but thankfully wasn’t left out of pocket because Apple refunded him, will other app stores do this I mean if you accidentally did this to the developer direct you’d never get it back.
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I honestly suspect that this will be the path Apple takes if sideloading/alt payments takes off. The iPhone will close that store and the iPhone will have a set of standard free apps and then a general Apple News/Apple Arcade/Apple Music type of subscription model for everything else.