What is the definition of a "full operating system"? And Apple could build those same tools into iOS if they chose.
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U.S. Senate Judiciary Committee Approves Another Antitrust Bill That Would Allow Sideloading on iPhone
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I’m not sure any of that is making a good argument for really anything in particular
It definitely sounds like Apple needs to do better, in all areas
Because that is the only way Epic will be able to compete. Prevent the apps from being on the App Store either limited exclusivity or permanent exclusive.
That is different. The App is on the App Store, but behind a subscription requirement. STILL from the App Store itself.
I fully understand that that user said.
What was said:
>>>I don't know why people think apps will leave the App Store en masse because of the availability of side-loading.<<<
Where did I misread this? The only way Epic can compete with the App Store will be buying exclusive rights to apps. THUS...now follow me here.....will mean said apps WILL LEAVE THE APP STORE.
Look up what Exclusive means and maybe you will understand my points.
I’m not sure if you’re just being obtuse for fun or what
He laid out exactly the situation where they have their apps in both locations
Anyhow, please carry on
Ok you’ve got a particularly savvy child, seen a YouTube video on how to enable sideloading, downloads FIFA from another store, borrows your credit card and absolutely hammers the FIFA credits. Try getting that money back.
Right now in most cases Apple will refund the money no issues and advise you on how to setup the phones parental controls to prevent this happening again.
Not saying Apple is perfect or the App Store is perfect and some choices they’ve made are crap such as banning cloud gaming apps, however they generally have users security and safety in mind as it’s their reputation and ultimately their profits on the line.
**edited because forum quoting went wonky**
And I outlined where it wouldn't be possible - exclusivity. It CANNOT be in both locations if Epic pays for exclusive rights.
And that's totally okay, as long the dev has the choice to sell his soul for money, or to offer it everywhere.
This would just flourish the competiton, because others could simply develop something better that works everywhere.
I wasn't moaning about it, just countering.
And if somebody has an other opinion, it's their right to sue.
Your premise is a flawed one
There is no need for Epic to pay for an App to be exclusive to their own App Store when they can just add the Apple App Store surcharge and have it be in the App Store also.
Want to pay more and get it from Apple?
Done.
Want to pay less and get it from Epic?
Done.
Retailers benefit from more exposure and access for their products, not less
Well then that throws out the whole "you don't need to side load if you don't want to" if its only limited to free apps. Developers will force user's hand and cause the side loading option to be enabled.
That is not enough, it wasn't enough on PC and Epic had to resort to buying exclusive games.
But why would Epic need to compete with the App Store in that way? Epic gets paid the same whether the customer buys it from them or buys it from Apple.
But that is not what Epic does they buy exclusive rights to games to prevent them being listed on competitors stores which has irked the PC gaming community quite badly.
Epic came onto the scene with a half baked store that lacked most of the features Steam had including 2FA at one point and then purchased the rights to massive games forcing users to use their store or not play the games they want.
Rocket League was a massive game on Steam for years until Epic purchased the rights and removed it from Steam.
How would Epic get money from Joe Somebody's app from the App Store? How does Epic get money from Borderlands 3 on Steam?
As you stated with your example of MacAddict distribution techniques, times DO CHANGE. It's purely good business to want to pay 3-5% on sales instead of 30%. Time for changes in the App Store and the way companies distribute their wares. It's up to Apple -- They could lower their take to something reasonable and keep the App Store as it is, or continue to play hardball and take a chance your monopoly (and profits) will suffer. either way, I'm fine. I don't have a horse in this race, but I do cheer for the developers that have to give away so much of their income because Apple processes the payment of their app.
aren't you the same person who told me that you only buy games if they are on steam?
I am. And one my favorite games of all time is an Epic exclusive so I CANNOT buy it on Steam.
What do you mean? What argument?
Epic buys exclusives - FACT
Unable to buy an Epic Exclusive game on Steam - FACT
Not really sure why this is so difficult to comprehend.
Yes. Which throws out the "you don't need to side load if you don't want to!" argument entirely because exclusives WILL happen.
Not really. Sort of depends how attractive Apple makes the first party offering.
Every platform is different this way.
It’s exceptionally possible they put content in both stores and just pass the Apple tax onto consumers.
Companies have to analyze how best to reach everybody on different platforms.
What they do on Windows is in no way a referendum on what they might do on iOS.
Are you under the impression that Epic can't include language in their contract with the dev giving them "exclusive rights" over distribution in general? It seems like you're constructing a needlessly specific and unnecessary scenario just in order to make a point here.
Step 1: Dev sells exclusive rights to distribution for an app to Epic
Step 2a: Epic puts it on their store at $X
Step 2b: Epic passes money back to dev on sales
Step 3a: Epic puts it on the iOS App Store at $X+15/30%.
Step 3b: Apple passes money back to Epic on sales who then passes money back to the dev
Step 4: Profit