The fortitude to boss companies around with issues they don’t understand? This is what they live for.Bravo !, didn't think they had the Fortitude to do so, but so glad they did!
The fortitude to boss companies around with issues they don’t understand? This is what they live for.Bravo !, didn't think they had the Fortitude to do so, but so glad they did!
Nobody will ever respond to that, get real.Lets please, stop going around in circles because nobody has ever responded and this isn't going anywhere LOL. Can you 100% guarantee that EVERY app on iOS will remain on the App Store and all future iOS apps will all be on the App Store thus allowing us that want to keep the walled garden will have the same experience/apps available to us?
Simple yes or no please, lets stop going around in circles.
I am trying to make examples because every time I use exclusive, I get countered with "Well Epic can just put it on the App Store so"....that is not what an exclusive is.Why would you expect that? That's not what an exclusive is. That's a store brand. You can't buy Shell gasoline at Chevron either. Are you saying Shell has an "exclusive" on their own gasoline?
Frankly, I think you have become unfocused on what an exclusive is. The game makers can choose to sell only to Epic (exclusively) and Epic can choose to market those games wherever they want and charge accordingly.
Apple and this forum can fight and argue all they want but developers deserve an option to sell without gangster-like mandated 30% cuts. All that matters is the process for how this is done.
Well I didn't know if it was in the bill or whatever or that was a contractual agreement to allow side-loading. So I take it as a no then. Therefore, you are forcing those of us that prefer walled garden ecosystems to have a lesser experience because the potential of exclusive apps not being on the App Store.Nobody will ever respond to that, get real.
We can't mind control current and future devs, but it's their choice to keep their App in, or simply offer it elsewhere. Just like it's your choice to continue using the Apps, or get something else.
You still haven't said what you are afraid of if you're "forced" to buy a game from Epic instead of the App Store?Lets please, stop going around in circles because nobody has ever responded and this isn't going anywhere LOL. Can you 100% guarantee that EVERY app on iOS will remain on the App Store and all future iOS apps will all be on the App Store thus allowing us that want to keep the walled garden will have the same experience/apps available to us?
Simple yes or no please, lets stop going around in circles.
And you've been told why your premise is incorrect, including in my last response that you failed to address.I am trying to make examples because every time I use exclusive, I get countered with "Well Epic can just put it on the App Store so"....that is not what an exclusive is.
Because I will need to enable the side-loading feature toggle people keep preaching about to get it, which will open my phone up to not just the Epic source but others.You still haven't said what you are afraid of if you're "forced" to buy a game from Epic instead of the App Store?
How exactly is in incorrect.And you've been told why your premise is incorrect, including in my last response that you failed to address.
Free your mind, that also a broader term than just these two U.S. bills.Well I didn't know if it was in the bill or whatever or that was a contractual agreement to allow side-loading. So I take it as a no then. Therefore, you are forcing those of us that prefer walled garden ecosystems to have a lesser experience because the potential of exclusive apps not being on the App Store.
Frankly, I think you have become unfocused on what an exclusive is. The game makers can choose to sell only to Epic (exclusively) and Epic can choose to market those games wherever they want and charge accordingly.
True. It remains to be seen how its]’s enforced and what is allowed. Apple has a lot of good lawyers who no doubt will drive a truck through any loophole.The bold part is rather important and will prevent Apple from any shenanigans trying to get around the law.
If it can be enforced either by the bill, or allowing Apple to add it in the developer contract that all apps must also be on the App Store, even if they are more expensive, I will welcome side-loading with open arms. Because I will NOT be utilizing it, but my experience will not suffer because everything is on the App Store. And yes I will gladly pay more for the App Store version of it.Free your mind, that also a broader term than just these two U.S. bills.
Judgements made in the EU and rest of world will also affect the U.S.
This is ONLY about protecting their monopoly on where people can get apps on iOS.
Apple doesn't have a monopoly on where one can get apps. For an extra $99/annum, you can enroll as a developer, download Xcode to your Mac for free, and get apps from GitHub (source code you can compile). I have a bunch of code from GitHub running on my iPad (including emulators).
Do seriously think the folks that run Epic, a billion dollar company, can't figure out how to make money? If the way to more money is through "exclusive distribution" as opposed to "store exclusive" that's exactly what they'll do. They're all about the money, so they're much like Apple in that regard. Epic isn't going to pay a dev a bunch of money for exclusive rights to a game and them proceed to turn down piles of cash from iOS users, just for the sake of being able to claim "store exclusive!!11!1!" They'll be perfectly happy with exclusive distribution if that's what gets them more money. The scenario you're outlining is entirely unrealistic.How exactly is in incorrect.
Epic store exclusive is only on the epic store.
Yet people are telling me "Oh epic/developer can still put it on the App Store". That is not an exclusive then.
Epic is not looking to be an iOS app distributor. They want an iOS App Store.Do seriously think the folks that run Epic, a billion dollar company, can't figure out how to make money? If the way to more money is through "exclusive distribution" as opposed to "store exclusive" that's exactly what they'll do. They're all about the money, so they're much like Apple in that regard. Epic isn't going to pay a dev a bunch of money for exclusive rights and them proceed to turn down piles of cash, just to be able to claim "store exclusive!!11!1!" They'll be perfectly happy with exclusive distribution if that's what gets them more money. The scenario you're outlining is unrealistic.
This will never work out.If it can be enforced either by the bill, or allowing Apple to add it in the developer contract that all apps must also be on the App Store, even if they are more expensive, I will welcome side-loading with open arms. Because I will NOT be utilizing it, but my experience will not suffer because everything is on the App Store. And yes I will gladly pay more for the App Store version of it.
Just like I am all for right to repair. I personally don't do it and never will, but you are more than welcome to do it!
Well I didn't know if it was in the bill or whatever or that was a contractual agreement to allow side-loading. So I take it as a no then. Therefore, you are forcing those of us that prefer walled garden ecosystems to have a lesser experience because the potential of exclusive apps not being on the App Store.
Then I will forever be against side-loading and you cannot change my mind because you are asking someone who ONLY uses iOS due to the walled garden nature to suffer due to missing apps that would require me to side-load in order to install.This will never work out.
Apple should better start to cooperate, every bullheaded move they do makes things worse and justified the bills and lawsuits around the world. Cooperation is the only way out.
They just have to make the AppStore attractive, and devs will stay in, except a few ones, nothing to worry about.
We already do know what it looks like. Check out GateKeeper for macOS.We still don't know what it will look like. If side loading still requires strong permissions from Apple then it might not be a danger.
Must be some kind of stockholm syndrome, or fear from the unknown, based on lack of knowledge!Why on Earth are people defending a totally non sensical lockdown approach on iOS when it's not that way on macOS?
It's every bit as secure, but much more flexible
The macOS model is the way here..
Do you guys not realize that Apple is only trying to defend their rent extraction
That's all this is
We already do know what it looks like. Check out GateKeeper for macOS.