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Apple doesn't have a monopoly on where one can get apps. For an extra $99/annum, you can enroll as a developer, download Xcode to your Mac for free, and get apps from GitHub (source code you can compile). I have a bunch of code from GitHub running on my iPad (including emulators).

I'm chuckling as your average consumer, including your above average consumer is not going to go to this level of Apple infrastructure investiment.

iPhone + Mac + Dev License.
 
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Why are people voting for the government to force a company to do business in a certain way. Apple is in every way entitled to their fees. do you (the royal you) really believe that by alternate payment systems, sideloading and forcing apple to give up its commission…nirvana will follow? Might be more like hell.
 
Epic is not looking to be an iOS app distributor. They want an iOS App Store.
And they'll have one. And if they want to maximize profits, they'll also sell on the App Store, assuming everyone else is as afraid of alternate app stores and side-loading as you say they are.
Unrealistic? Epic is not distributing their exclusive PC games on Steam and other platforms.
?‍♂️ Did you even bother to read:
Because PCs and their users aren't exactly like smartphones and their users. People are used to installing software from multiple places on their computers. It's been a thing since basically forever. It's surely a vanishingly small crowd that would install things from only the Mac App Store or only from Steam on their computers. Most people will happily get the software they desire from wherever they need to buy it. Epic gains basically no extra users by putting a game on Steam, that's why they don't do it. However, if your supposition is correct that most consumers will refuse to use alternate app stores or side-load on iOS (and evidence of Fortnite's lack of success in side-loading on Android may be evidence of this), then Epic gains access to a huge userbase that they would miss out on if they don't list on the iOS App Store.
Or did you realize you didn't have a rebuttal and so chose to pretend like what I said didn't exist?
 
And they'll have one. And if they want to maximize profits, they'll also sell on the App Store, assuming everyone else is as afraid of alternate app stores and side-loading as you say they are.

?‍♂️ Did you even bother to read:

Or did you realize you didn't have a rebuttal and so chose to pretend like what I said didn't exist?
You absolutely have proof that Epic will still put their exclusives on the App Store?
 
Then I will forever be against side-loading and you cannot change my mind because you are asking someone who ONLY uses iOS due to the walled garden nature to suffer due to missing apps that would require me to side-load in order to install.
That's totally okay to be against it, but it won't have any weight to the outcome of this all. :)
Laws are laws, many countries - many laws.
 
The only way to ever be 100% secure is to never go online.
Not the point. The point is even someone doing a half-*** job with App Review is better than no app-review process. The point being that "macOS is SUPER SECURE" arguments where we have these flaws exist.
 
Why are people voting for the government to force a company to do business in a certain way. Apple is in every way entitled to their fees. do you (the royal you) really believe that by alternate payment systems, sideloading and forcing apple to give up its commission…nirvana will follow? Might be more like hell.
Because we're not nihilists and believe anti-trust laws are appropriate. And that if they're outdated, that they need to be updated.
 
You absolutely have proof that Epic will still put their exclusives on the App Store?

There's no "proof" that Epic (or any game devs) will be on iOS App Store at all if things continue

Do you want everything you enjoy to end up as "streaming in Safari" only?
(or just gone from iOS)

Thats's where you're headed here my friend
 
There's no "proof" that Epic (or any game devs) will be on iOS App Store at all if things continue

Do you want everything you enjoy to end up as "streaming in Safari" only?
(or just gone from iOS)

Thats's where you're headed here my friend
Why are we headed there to streaming in safari only?
 
You absolutely have proof that Epic will still put their exclusives on the App Store?
Do you think I have a crystal ball or something? Do you have one? I'm not making guarantees, but I am hypothesizing what actions a smart and rational business would take, something you'd seem to rather not do.
 
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Okay the bad movie i was watching just ended, good night - good fight! :D
Sideload in peace, Cheers!

Cheers! We don't all need to agree and its good to have debates!
 

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Not the point. The point is even someone doing a half-*** job with App Review is better than no app-review process. The point being that "macOS is SUPER SECURE" arguments where we have these flaws exist.
Apps on macOS that are vetted via GateKeeper are no more or less secure than Apps downloaded via the iOS App Store. Showing only anecdoate as you've done proves nothing. In the past few years iOS has had a boatload of security holes that had to be fixed. If you read the release notes of iOS updates you would know this.
 
Do you think I have a crystal ball or something? Do you have one? I'm not making guarantees, but I am hypothesizing what actions a smart and rational business would take, something you'd seem to rather not do.
But that was the argument to my concern with exclusives. You can't counter my concerns stating Epic will just place it on the App Store without any sort of proof. The concern will still be there if its not a guarantee.
 


The U.S. Senate Judiciary Committee today approved the bipartisan Open App Markets Act, an antitrust bill that would allow for alternative app stores and alternative in-app payment systems on the iPhone. The bill will now head to the Senate floor for a vote.

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Apple had urged the U.S. Senate Judiciary Committee to reject the bill, arguing that sideloading would pose privacy and security risks for customers.

"Sideloading would enable bad actors to evade Apple's privacy and security protections by distributing apps without critical privacy and security checks. These provisions would allow malware, scams and data-exploitation to proliferate," said Apple's government affairs head Tim Powderly in a letter sent to the Committee earlier this week.

Last month, the U.S. Senate Judiciary Committee approved the American Innovation and Choice Online Act, another antitrust bill that would allow sideloading and which Apple spoke out against, citing the same privacy and security risks.



Article Link: U.S. Senate Judiciary Committee Approves Another Antitrust Bill That Would Allow Sideloading on iPhone

LISTEN U.S. Senate. I DON'T WANT Sideloading capability on MY iPhone.
 
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But that was the argument to my concern with exclusives. You can't counter my concerns stating Epic will just place it on the App Store without any sort of proof. The concern will still be there if its not a guarantee.
So you expect me to give you guaranteed proof on the outcome of an event that has yet to take place and that I have no control over? Well gee, I guess you've got me there. You're right, I suppose we really should just throw out all logic and rationality so that you can make some inane point. /s
🙄🙄🙄
 
Because I will need to enable the side-loading feature toggle people keep preaching about to get it, which will open my phone up to not just the Epic source but others.
So everything you've posted here and your entire argument is based on some made up premise of some "toggle" that you think (or you seem to know for sure) will be needed and this non-existent "toggle" will somehow make your phone insecure?
 
So you expect me to give you guaranteed proof on the outcome of an event that has yet to take place and that I have no control over? Well gee, I guess you've got me there. You're right, I suppose we really should just throw out all logic and rationality so that you can make some inane point. /s
???
No, I expect you not to say my fears are pointless with stating Epic will place their exclusive apps on the App Store when that is not a guarantee. I am asking to not counter my concerns with unconfirmed promises or hypotheticals.
 
So everything you've posted here and your entire argument is based on some made up premise of some "toggle" that you think (or you seem to know for sure) will be needed and this non-existent "toggle" will somehow make your phone insecure?
I am not the one stating it. People are saying the toggle should be in the Settings and should throw up warnings if you enable it.
 
No, I expect you not to say my fears are pointless with stating Epic will place their exclusive apps on the App Store when that is not a guarantee. I am asking to not counter my concerns with unconfirmed promises or hypotheticals.
To be sure, your fears aren't absolutely and unequivocally baseless, however if your fears require rational actors to take unreasonable and in fact self-harming actions, I think it's entirely fair to heavily challenge how realistic those fears really are.
 
To be sure, your fears aren't absolutely and unequivocally baseless, however if your fears require rational actors to take unreasonable and in fact self-harming actions, I think it's entirely fair to heavily challenge how realistic those fears really are.
Unfortunately we will just need to see what happens. With Epic's attitude and history on the PC space, I foresee it happening on iOS as well.
 
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