To be fair to Epic, I don't come down on them much
Basically all of these tech companies are self interested -- to the max!
Absolutely Apple included
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U.S. Senate Judiciary Committee Approves Another Antitrust Bill That Would Allow Sideloading on iPhone
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To be fair to Epic, I don't come down on them much
Basically all of these tech companies are self interested -- to the max!
Absolutely Apple included
The problem there is that it currently has bipartisan support, which means it may have enough support to actually pass the senate, I wonder where the house’s version is at.
Oh I agree. I am not too thrilled with anyone at the moment. Microsoft, Google, Facebook, Epic, and many more Apple included. However, Apple is KILLING it with their processors and I LOVE it!
But you're whole basis and arguments against having other ways to get apps is based on it. So...you either support it or you don't. In either case, it's completely fabricated as no "toggle" exists.
And this one's only 19 pages. Guess we're getting better at brevity in these threads.Was that it?
Did we reach end game?
(for now)
So you think this bill will end up making iOS always open to side-loaded items? No toggle/setting like Android?
At this point, we can sort of go pull our "greatest hits" posts from old threads and reuse most of the content.
That's handy
FWIW, MS is mostly a software company. Thus they want things as open as possible. Apple has always been, mostly, a hardware company. Apple needed to keep exclusivity of there software in order to sell computers. MS needed to keep openness in order to sell software to computer companies.
what about an app called Checks and Balances? it helps protect the privacy and security of all citizens.
Well done, Murican politicians. A fine display of ignorance and arrogance, delivering nothing but hassle and misery to the regular users, but colossal profits to fraudsters, scammers and thieves who are already getting ready to rip off as many people as possible, for as much as possible, as often as possible. Yeah, but freedom and choice and the Murican way etc., etc.
Why wouldn't Apple - a legitimate, properly constituted business - be allowed to set up their business in such a way as to make profit for themselves (and also for the developers who use their services BTW)? Isn't that the very embodiment of the the Murican way? Free enterprise? And if you, as a consumer, don't like it, you're free to go to another supplier? Freedom of choice? You can't argue that Apple have a monopoly of the phone or App business, but instead they're arguing that Apple having control of the Apple phone and Apple App business is bad and must be stopped! That's nuts! Who, exactly, is benefitting from breaking that up? Who is forcing you, developer or consumer - to use Apple products and services? You surely read and understood the terms and conditions when you signed up? I mean, you clicked the box that says "I have read and understood the Terms and Conditions"?
Oh yes, put multiple layers of security and checks in, and do this or that clever technical thing to stop the Bad Actors - that's hopelessly naive and underestimates the grotesque and wilful stupidity of people, and the overwhelming greed and indifference of scammers, by many orders of magnitude. Things are going to get worse than you can possibly imagine and they are never, ever going to get better.
Thank you for protecting our freedom and choice, Senator A$$hat of Nowhere City, Arizona, elected to high office by a majority of knuckle dragging, mouth breathing numbskulls. I honestly can't believe what an incredibly low standard of thinking, argument and analysis is going on here. It's all quite depressing.
Why wouldn't Apple - a legitimate, properly constituted business - be allowed to set up their business in such a way as to make profit for themselves (and also for the developers who use their services BTW)? Isn't that the very embodiment of the the Murican way? Free enterprise? And if you, as a consumer, don't like it, you're free to go to another supplier? Freedom of choice? You can't argue that Apple have a monopoly of the phone or App business, but instead they're arguing that Apple having control of the Apple phone and Apple App business is bad and must be stopped! That's nuts! Who, exactly, is benefitting from breaking that up? Who is forcing you, developer or consumer - to use Apple products and services? You surely read and understood the terms and conditions when you signed up? I mean, you clicked the box that says "I have read and understood the Terms and Conditions"?
Oh yes, put multiple layers of security and checks in, and do this or that clever technical thing to stop the Bad Actors - that's hopelessly naive and underestimates the grotesque and wilful stupidity of people, and the overwhelming greed and indifference of scammers, by many orders of magnitude. Things are going to get worse than you can possibly imagine and they are never, ever going to get better.
Thank you for protecting our freedom and choice, Senator A$$hat of Nowhere City, Arizona, elected to high office by a majority of knuckle dragging, mouth breathing numbskulls. I honestly can't believe what an incredibly low standard of thinking, argument and analysis is going on here. It's all quite depressing.
With respect - your post, particularly with its tone, didn't really up the standard much
There are many ways to handle piracy, and that is not the sole reason to disavow sideloading.
Technically speaking, the ability to load whatever you want on operating systems has been around for literally decades. This isn't a mystery or a difficult problem to solve. In short: it's still about control of the market. As a paid app developer, I wouldn't care how the program was installed -- I would care about the ability to set my own terms of payment without a mandatory cut.
This is a common answer, but it speaks to monopoly power and thus monopolistic practices.
If there were only two stores to sell your goods that's a bad position to be in. And any kind of authoritarian behavior should be monitored. You know ... like this.
And all of that is subjective because while there is an alternative, you can say that Apple has a majority market in the USA, so if you're making a USA-specific app, are you saying it's perfectly viable to sell it solely on Android as your secondary solution, with no other option whatsoever?
I like how people will say that there's always Android to sell to but never really answer the monopoly power problem.
Watch this passing in the Senate and Facebook breaking out the Champagne while it's stock soars.
Facebook then makes it's App available for download only on its very own "Freedom App Store".
Thankfully Apple has taken off the blind fold already and we all know now that we were being digitally raped.
So I can see myself deleting a lot of Apps that I can no longer get from Apple's App Store.
They think they've won but they are in for a bit of a shock.
Next bit of nasty legislation will be to try and prevent Apple from having it's own app store or at least meddling in its rules that it applies (disclosure on privacy, tracking blocks etc etc).
It's war on Apple and us. Don't fool yourself that Apple is the target, they're just in the way to getting you.
Facebook then makes it's App available for download only on its very own "Freedom App Store".
Thankfully Apple has taken off the blind fold already and we all know now that we were being digitally raped.
So I can see myself deleting a lot of Apps that I can no longer get from Apple's App Store.
They think they've won but they are in for a bit of a shock.
Next bit of nasty legislation will be to try and prevent Apple from having it's own app store or at least meddling in its rules that it applies (disclosure on privacy, tracking blocks etc etc).
It's war on Apple and us. Don't fool yourself that Apple is the target, they're just in the way to getting you.
Wow -- that was intense..
What legal ground would anyone stand on to say Apple couldn't have it's own App Store at all?
It's interesting to me that you think Apple is "on your side"
I'm pretty sure Apple is on Apple's side, and that's about it.
It's just a metaphor which means "You accept our terms of service, or you walk." That's gangster-esque.
And again, I'll point to monopolistic behavior. Apple can SAY "sure they can sell their app on Android" but it's the only other player [worth selling on]" and at the same time Android is heavily the underdog in some regions so they're doing the typical monopolistic argument that there is at least one competitor [that none of your friends or relatives or anyone you know uses] so it's TOTALLY ACCEPTABLE." Hmm..
Unless you're a billion+ dollar company, you don't negotiate with Apple. I think there have been only two exceptions to this, like ... ever.
Or you know, loan sharks with insane percentage cuts.
It's snarky, at the minimum... and outright wrong by other standards.
I want all my apps vetted by Apple. Offer side loading all you want but every app avail in another store must also be avail in the App Store, I’m ok with that compromise.
That is unrealistic (and a bit odd).
Some Apps might be in multiple stores, but not all, nor should that be a "requirement"
If they walk into the vehicle with a strong smell of alcohol, and or barely able to walk, possibly yes.
Apple's on your side because they are selling you something you want. A device that works, that is secure and looks after your privacy.
The others, Google, Facebook etc don't sell you anything. You are the product.
Why, if it’s about my choice, why can’t I choose where to buy my app. Why does the developer get to limit my choice of where to get the app. Why does the developer get more rights than I do.
Well - the Developer made the App
It's their IP
It should be up to them where and how they distribute it
Some of you have some really strange ideas about "choice" and "rights" and who is entitled to what, when, where and why.
You can choose not to buy an Apple device.
Plenty of other choices.