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U.S. Senators Ask Apple to Remove DUI Checkpoint Apps From App Store
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I wouldn't. This is a freedom of speech issue, and 2 Buck Chuck Schumer needs to GTFO.
I don't drink, alcohol gives me terrible headaches (it affects all males in my family), and even I think this is stupid. I've been hit by 2 drunk drivers, one time I was seriously injured, and again- I think this is just a very bad idea. It is never good when politicians attempt to deprive us through censorship of our consitutional rights. Rather than ban these apps, write these Senators names down, and send them a letter reminding them about our constitution, seems like more politicians these days have conveniently forgotten our rights.
If someone can pull out their iPhone or iPad and look up DUI points, then determine an alternative route to avoid them, they are probably sober enough to drive. What's next? prohibition?
if you think this is a freedom of speech issue then I assume you don't keep up with Supreme Court history.
It's a good thing that the Constitution and the Bill of Rights were written at the EXACT SAME LITERAL TIME!!
yeahhh I'm trying to find other reasons of utilizing this app other than if someone was driving drunk, or evading authority... and I'm stumped.
Frankly (out of freedom), I think they shouldn't pull it, but it wouldn't really be a terrible thing if they did.
Frankly (out of freedom), I think they shouldn't pull it, but it wouldn't really be a terrible thing if they did.
You truly are ignorant if you think otherwise. Distracted driving is dangerous driving. I am lucky to be alive after my last accident. I was being distracted by someone else in my car at night. I have poor night vision (no depth perception) and was blinded by oncoming traffic headlights. I slammed into the car in fornt of me at 20-30 miles an hour with no seatbelt on because I couldn't tell it wasn't moving. Guess what? Going that "slow" means the airbag doesn't deploy in that 98 Honda accord. I am still in pain years later but I have my life.
I'm really glad to see that there some people here on these forums who aren't mad-dog, rabid socialist, control-freaks. It is amazing. Let me leave you with this quote by Benjamin Franklin. It goes something like this. "Those who would give up Essential Liberty for temporary safety, deserve neither."
If Apple lets government control even a tiny thing, before you know it they will control everything. It is a slippery slope and one best avoided all together. Government is like a deadly and evil cancer. Someone once equated government to fire. It can do some really good things, but if it ever gets out of control it can and will destroy everything.
Perhaps this was said someplace in the 11 pages so far, but since I didn't see it in the first 2, I'm posting it.
People are assuming that this app has no benefit, but to help drunks drive without getting caught. Let me paint some scenerios.
1. You note that you can't get home without passing a DUI check point, so you don't drink at all.
2. You drink a bunch, and figure out you can't get home without crossing a checkpoint, so you stay where you are until you're sober.
3. You drink a bunch, figure out that there are checkpoints, and find an alternate way home that involves less trafficked roads.
4. You are sober, but worried about the number of drunks on the road. You find a route that crosses a DUI check to decrease the number of drunk drivers you are likely to meat.
What do you think?
#1 prevents the problem to begin with.
#2 also prevents the problem
#3 admittedly assumes that the check point is set up in the busiest areas. But I think it's safe to assume the checkpoints are not set up on quiet side streets that no one frequents.
#4 works out quite well. It works out even BETTER if the drunks have the DUI app as well, because they won't be on the road up until the checkpoint either, not just after it.
In any case, I can't help but think that this app actually improves the safety of more people than it hurts, both for drunks and sober people.
And FYI, I'm 26 and been drunk once in my life. I didn't like it. I like being in full control of my body and mind
However, I LOVE good beer
It amazes me how many people support this kind of crap.
Apple should not pull these apps. There is nothing illegal about them. They are not helping people avoid consequences for their actions.
DUI checkpoints themselves are a violation of our 4th Amendment rights. The US Supreme Court even stated as such when the ruling was made legalizing checkpoints. Some nonsense about how it was a violation of 4th amendment rights, but the "need of the state to protect drivers was more important" or something like that. Ridiculous.
I have never drank or done any sort of drug, but I use Trapster. Why? Because I care about my right to privacy. Trapster is also good for watching your speed, finding out about accidents, road closures, and other things.
In most places, signs and such are required before a checkpoint notifying the driver with enough time to take an alternate route.
And, of course, the biggest issue is the fact that "DUI checkpoints" are not about DUI at all. They're about writing fix it tickets and all sorts of other things. Not to mention the fact that roving patrols have proven to be FAR more effective http://lincolntribune.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=4749
http://abionline.org/news_detail.cfm?id=324 I like this quote "And the largest checkpoint program studied to date shows that 140,000 drivers were stopped at 882 Tennessee roadblocks. They made only 773 DUI arrestsan arrest rate of one half of one percent. "
But of course, again, checkpoints aren't about DUI. They're about money. Only a fool would believe checkpoints are about trapping those who have been drinking and driving.
Apple should not pull these apps. There is nothing illegal about them. They are not helping people avoid consequences for their actions.
DUI checkpoints themselves are a violation of our 4th Amendment rights. The US Supreme Court even stated as such when the ruling was made legalizing checkpoints. Some nonsense about how it was a violation of 4th amendment rights, but the "need of the state to protect drivers was more important" or something like that. Ridiculous.
I have never drank or done any sort of drug, but I use Trapster. Why? Because I care about my right to privacy. Trapster is also good for watching your speed, finding out about accidents, road closures, and other things.
In most places, signs and such are required before a checkpoint notifying the driver with enough time to take an alternate route.
And, of course, the biggest issue is the fact that "DUI checkpoints" are not about DUI at all. They're about writing fix it tickets and all sorts of other things. Not to mention the fact that roving patrols have proven to be FAR more effective http://lincolntribune.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=4749
http://abionline.org/news_detail.cfm?id=324 I like this quote "And the largest checkpoint program studied to date shows that 140,000 drivers were stopped at 882 Tennessee roadblocks. They made only 773 DUI arrestsan arrest rate of one half of one percent. "
But of course, again, checkpoints aren't about DUI. They're about money. Only a fool would believe checkpoints are about trapping those who have been drinking and driving.
Originally Posted by Stridder44 said:
He didn't say it wasn't dangerous, he asked if it was on the same level. I think it's quite obvious from the accidents, death toll, and consequences if caught that they are NOT on the same level.
You're sober and you don't want to have to waste time in a check point.
I think the funniest thing about this is that a web app can do the same exact thing (even find your location on a map). What are they going to do if Apple pulls the app? Go after the ISPs? I know the last thing they'll do, talk to the developers (in court or otherwise). Thats what tells you this is needless censorship being used to score cheap political points.
Big Brother.
I certainly don't drive drunk, but I have had to sit and wait while some cops check everyone in the line of traffic. They also check other things, which is how I got my stolen camera returned following a break-in. And the apps might alert unlicensed / uninsured / undocumented drivers so they could avoid being caught. It's not enough for the cops to pull over drivers who are violating driving laws during normal drive times.
I certainly don't drive drunk, but I have had to sit and wait while some cops check everyone in the line of traffic. They also check other things, which is how I got my stolen camera returned following a break-in. And the apps might alert unlicensed / uninsured / undocumented drivers so they could avoid being caught. It's not enough for the cops to pull over drivers who are violating driving laws during normal drive times.
I don't drink....but I still want it.
Apple will, of course, cave on this.....and they wonder why many of us say Apple has become evil.
All I want Apple to do is to make sure 1. the app works 2. that it is not malicious. Past that, Apple needs to keep its nose out of my business.
Apple will, of course, cave on this.....and they wonder why many of us say Apple has become evil.
All I want Apple to do is to make sure 1. the app works 2. that it is not malicious. Past that, Apple needs to keep its nose out of my business.
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THIS
Sadly too many people buy into the propaganda.. If you yell, "Think of the CHILDREN" loud 'nuf, stupid people get in line to surrender basic freedoms, and attack anyone that dares to disagree..
Standard right-wing mantra. Nice of you to link police with mad-dogs / rabid socialists.
When are people going to learn that rallying against something is often a good way to promote it? I never know apps like this existed before reading this article.
Ohh Prince Harry and Chucky Schemer
Want apps pulled, why? its only going to hurt all the elected officials how are they going to know how to get back to the office or house with out applications such as these.
Want apps pulled, why? its only going to hurt all the elected officials how are they going to know how to get back to the office or house with out applications such as these.
This is a ridiculous political move. These apps help sober drivers avoid the stops. Drunken individuals are not going to use this app. Furthermore, by having sober drivers avoid the areas, the concentration of drunk drivers at the stops increases.
This request is nothing more than politicians trying to score points with the electorate, knowing the electorate jumps to conclusions quickly without much thought.
This request is nothing more than politicians trying to score points with the electorate, knowing the electorate jumps to conclusions quickly without much thought.