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UK iPhone 5s and 5c Thread

andrew1995 said:
Well today is the 9th business day, so they've got the rest of today and tomorrow to ship it.
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if our phones go the same route as some of the others did (via anchorage or louisville) than there is two flights today that could potentially have our phones on board. first one at 16:05 left 15mins ago..so who knows

16:05 5X 061 Taipei UPS
Dep 16:03 Anchorage
Louisville

16:30 5X 149 Singapore UPS
Louisville
 
Loveandterror said:
if our phones go the same route as some of the others did (via anchorage or louisville) than there is two flights today that could potentially have our phones on board. first one at 16:05 left 15mins ago..so who knows

16:05 5X 061 Taipei UPS
Dep 16:03 Anchorage
Louisville

16:30 5X 149 Singapore UPS
Louisville
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OMG thank you for this information. Loving you right now!
Hopefully it does get dispatched today, might see it Friday or Saturday if lucky.
 
Ordered a 64GB Space Grey a minute after midnight on September 20th from Apple. Estimated delivery sometime today.

I checked the UPS tracking page and its traveled from China to Hong Kong, to the UAE to Germany, and then finally to the UK via Stansted Airport. Now all that's left is for me to miss the delivery.
 
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Gizmo247 said:
You are confusing phone unit sales with revenue.
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You initially said they were doing it to boost their revenue, now you're talking about unit sales. Which do you actually mean? I'm discussing revenue as that's what you originally talked about, so from Apple's 10K filing:

Net sales consist primarily of revenue from the sale of hardware, software, digital content and applications, peripherals, and service and support contracts. The Company recognizes revenue when persuasive evidence of an arrangement exists, delivery has occurred, the sales price is fixed or determinable, and collection is probable. Product is considered delivered to the customer once it has been shipped and title and risk of loss have been transferred. For most of the Company’s product sales, these criteria are met at the time the product is shipped. For online sales to individuals, for some sales to education customers in the U.S., and for certain other sales, the Company defers revenue until the customer receives the product because the Company retains a portion of the risk of loss on these sales during transit.
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Gizmo247 said:
YProof, yes, Apple took our money knowing full well they were not going to ship a single phone. This would have involved them debiting the money and not booking the shipping.
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Supposition on your part, not actual proof.
 
alFR said:
You initially said they were doing it to boost their revenue, now you're talking about unit sales. Which do you actually mean?



Supposition on your part, not actual proof.
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You were talking about unit sales (phone), I was talking about revenue (money)
 
andy9l said:
But since I am paying for the handset in full (PAYG), there's no subsidisation - correct?

I don't want to just buy from Three without their word that they will unlock it because I'd truly be £635 down otherwise, with a phone I don't want (locked) and isn't worth what they sold it for due to the carrier lock.

Thanks for the tips and advice my friend, I will see what today's story is and report back.

I just wish Apple had stock of this product. This is getting silly now at nearly 2 weeks after release and a month after announcement. I feel for these guys who are just getting their phones delivered 10 days after ordering 2 minutes after launch. That's too long for the efforts and upfront investment they put in, Apple should have been better prepared.
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There isn't a subsidy on the CPW iPhone, the OFCOM rules date back to the early 2000's when there was a subsidy on everything.

About stock, people forget it was December before the stock of the iPhone 5 became freely available, it was an email lottery that you had to enter every evening in the hope of getting a collection confirmation for the following day, I remember some people posting and saying they were trying multiple emails and multiple Apple Stores for months before being successful.

I really wouldn't worry about the unlocking process, Three have been unlocking iPhones this way since CPW sneakily started locking simfree iPhones. I have never heard of a person being refused an unlock when buying a CPW iPhone, it's basically free money for Three.
 
FYI for those trying to get a phone at retail in London: the Regent Street employee I spoke to this morning said that there have been consistently 100+ people waiting outside by 7am (I'm guessing mostly scalpers). I assume it'd be a similar situation at the other stores in the city... You may have better luck ordering online, or biting the bullet and going with CPW if you want the phone any time in the near future.
 
d123 said:
There isn't a subsidy on the CPW iPhone, the OFCOM rules date back to the early 2000's when there was a subsidy on everything.
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Actually you could buy unsubsidized unlocked phones from CPW back then too. I know because that's what I used to do.
 
Mine reached Edinburgh today and instead of going out for delivery it's departed Edinburgh again. Next stop Anchorage now I wonder maybe Hong Kong after that?

Nice work UPS.
 
So, I've just this minute ordered a sim free 5s from CPW for store delivery on thursday....

Should I be concerned, whats all the talk about sim locking and unlocking?

Sim free is sim free right?

Or am I going to have to unlock it if I swap networks?
 
d123 said:
There isn't a subsidy on the CPW iPhone, the OFCOM rules date back to the early 2000's when there was a subsidy on everything.

About stock, people forget it was December before the stock of the iPhone 5 became freely available, it was an email lottery that you had to enter every evening in the hope of getting a collection confirmation for the following day, I remember some people posting and saying they were trying multiple emails and multiple Apple Stores for months before being successful.

I really wouldn't worry about the unlocking process, Three have been unlocking iPhones this way since CPW sneakily started locking simfree iPhones. I have never heard of a person being refused an unlock when buying a CPW iPhone, it's basically free money for Three.
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I'll see what they say today and let you/everyone know. Thanks for your help mate, much appreciated!
 
CocoPops said:
So, I've just this minute ordered a sim free 5s from CPW for store delivery on thursday....

Should I be concerned, whats all the talk about sim locking and unlocking?

Sim free is sim free right?

Or am I going to have to unlock it if I swap networks?
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It locks to the first card you put in.

Best one is a 3 PAYG - pay £15.32 to get it unlocked
 
netdog said:
Actually you could buy unsubsidized unlocked phones from CPW back then too. I know because that's what I used to do.
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The subsidy relates to PAYG and contract sales, it's been possible to buy unsubsidised unlocked phones since at least the mid '90s. It was the way small dealers used to connect to Vodafone and BT Cellnet (as O2 was called then).

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CocoPops said:
So, I've just this minute ordered a sim free 5s from CPW for store delivery on thursday....

Should I be concerned, whats all the talk about sim locking and unlocking?

Sim free is sim free right?

Or am I going to have to unlock it if I swap networks?
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You should probably read back in this thread.

CPW just mean a sim isn't included. It will lock to the first network you insert, if that happens to be EE they won't consider an unlock request for 6 months, O2 aren't unlocking the 5s yet, Three will unlock immediately if you have/get a PAYG sim and request the unlock with that or after 30 days if you have a Three contract sim.
 
baronbuzby said:
It locks to the first card you put in.

Best one is a 3 PAYG - pay £15.32 to get it unlocked
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Damn, so I need to buy a 3 sim, use it, then pay 3 £15.32 to unlock it?

I only have a Vodafone Contract sim currently, so Vodafone would charge me to unlock it?
 
CocoPops said:
Damn, so I need to buy a 3 sim, use it, then pay 3 £15.32 to unlock it?

I only have a Vodafone Contract sim currently, so Vodafone would charge me to unlock it?
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I would speak to Vodafone, I haven't seen a report of their stance on unlocking the 5s, they are one of the more cooperative with regard to unlocking in general and normally unlock for contract customers for free.
 
Another question:

If I buy an iPhone from a carrier, and I open the box and the phone is chipped/damaged – can I go to Apple, or do I have to go back to the carrier and start a long-winded process?

I'm just cautious after the early widespread iPhone 5 manufacturing defects. My girlfriend and I had to make 3 trips to the Apple store to get her a 5 that wasn't damaged out of the box.
 
andy9l said:
Another question:

If I buy an iPhone from a carrier, and I open the box and the phone is chipped/damaged – can I go to Apple, or do I have to go back to the carrier and start a long-winded process?

I'm just cautious after the early widespread iPhone 5 manufacturing defects. My girlfriend and I had to make 3 trips to the Apple store to get her a 5 that wasn't damaged out of the box.
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In the UK your contract is with the retailer, so Apple would only be for warranty, not a problem with cosmetics or damage on arrival.
 
andy9l said:
Another question:

If I buy an iPhone from a carrier, and I open the box and the phone is chipped/damaged – can I go to Apple, or do I have to go back to the carrier and start a long-winded process?

I'm just cautious after the early widespread iPhone 5 manufacturing defects. My girlfriend and I had to make 3 trips to the Apple store to get her a 5 that wasn't damaged out of the box.
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Can go to Apple.

Edit: maybe I'm wrong
 
d123 said:
In the UK your contract is with the retailer, so Apple would only be for warranty, not a problem with cosmetics or damage on arrival.
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No, Apple will deal with any problems.

I remember when I had a contract on the 3GS and O2 said they wouldn't fix my broken volume rocker as it was accidental damage, on the off-chance, I popped into an Apple Store (without a receipt) and they just replaced the phone for a new one.

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d123 said:
Not for an item supplied by another retailer that arrives damaged or has an imperfection.

It's nothing to do with Apple.
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It's Apple's product and Apples warranty, they will deal with it.
 
ItsWelshy said:
No, Apple will deal with any problems.

I remember when I had a contract on the 3GS and O2 said they wouldn't fix my broken volume rocker as it was accidental damage, on the off-chance, I popped into an Apple Store (without a receipt) and they just replaced the phone for a new one.

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It's Apple's product and Apples warranty, they will deal with it.
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Your example of a switch broken in use could be a warranty issue, a phone arriving damaged is a retailer issue, and the Sale of Goods Act is pretty clear as to who has legal responsibility with consumer contracts, it is the retailer and NOT the manufacturer.

You can wish otherwise all you want, but the SoGA is very clear on that point.
 
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