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The open vs closed computing platform keeps coming up. You can make valid arguments either way but Apple benefits tremendously and exercises iron:grip:control the way it is. How long that will be allowed will be interesting to see. These ubiquitous mobile platforms have now grown beyond luxuries to become vital necessities. Apple prefers to have both its hardware and software design so as to be as inaccessible to others as possible. I can see why from as a business model this works very well. The question being raised is at what point of scale does their ubiquity make their practical monopoly untenable? You can understand why Apple wants to maintain as much control for as long as possible because it is the most beneficial arrangement for Apple’s business. At their scale and wealth Apple has tremendous resources to maintain their dominance through supply chains, corporate buyouts and can also afford robust legal defense battles for years of costly litigation.
Here in lies the problem....a phone is a vital necessity. A premium smartphone isn’t. You can get your “vital” Nokia for free with a SIM card.

People tend to confuse “nice to have” with “need to have”.

This isn’t an all you can eat buffet where you get to pick and choose aspects you want from each manufacturer and then try to force them by claiming “monopoly“ or “anti-trust” or “anti-competitive”. Being a monopoly on your own product isn’t against the law; hell, it’s expected. Being successful through having a better product/ service/ business acumen isn’t against the law and isn’t “anti-competitive”.

This is the problem with the current generation...they want everything right now, have never been told “no” and everybody gets a participation award.
 
By that logic, then Cydia, or any others making the same argument, should design, build, and market their own hardware platforms on which to distribute their software.
They should. I mean, Apple COULD have made apps for WindowsCE, but they designed built and marketed their own phone. If you’re going to hitch your horse to a mercurial host (ahemYouTube), then you play by whatever rules they provide.

In fact, I’d be willing to BET that this is just the first phase of Cydia’s marketing scheme at the end of which they will release... THE CYDIA PHONE!
 
One of the main problems is that Apple thinks they are selling ALL of us a "Managed" Device !

They don't think we actually own what we purchase !

That's the crux of it !

Throttling Perf is just one example of it.

Limiting what apps a User can OR cannot install is clearly another.

Cook should simply Drop the Apple Tax to 15% across the Board, with NO restrictions & NO thresholds !
And we did not sign up to buy a "Managed" device. I hope these arguments resonate with the State AGs.
 
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Mixed feelings. On one hand, I hate Apple's heavy handedness with the app store, but on the other this invites a whole lot of complexity with distribution (e.g. install the Epic Games App store to download fortnite yadda yadda yadda) and a massive attack surface for malware
The Apple App Store is full of apps that are spyware. Apple has done nothing to eliminate this problem. Only when outside security researchers write an article that gets disseminated widely does Apple do anything.
 
This is either utter ignorance or a blatant lie. No anti-trust law describes monopoly as "substantial marketshare". A company can't be a monopoly if it doesn't have 50%+ market share. Stop spreading disinformation.
It would seem that the ignorance lies with you. Anti-trust laws don't only apply to monopolies.

15 U.S. Code § 45 - Unfair methods of competition unlawful; prevention by Commission | U.S. Code | US Law | LII / Legal Information Institute (cornell.edu)

Notice how the word 'monopoly' isn't used once.
 
Is correct to think that Apple don’t have a monopoly? They do have control over their devices, anyone with an Xbox or PS# ... can anyone develop a game without MS or Sony approval? .... on the other hand we are able to instal any type of software on our macs, why not in our phones?
Exactly. I hope this resonates with the regulators and State AGs.
 
I can only imagine the level of outrage if Microsoft tried locking down Windows in a similar manner. So I don't agree with your logic there.

MacOS isn't locked to the Mac App Store. Why would iOS need to be? It's only because Apple wants the control.
And if this behavior is not stopped now, Apple will lock down macOS. It's already trying to do so.
 
What your hypothetical is missing is that in reality there are thousands of other flea markets to shop at besides yours. With the smartphone scenario there are only two “flea markets”, iOS and Android. A duopoly is subject to anti-trust laws as well, not just monopolies. Additionally, in your example all of the land (phone OS) is already owned by Apple and Google so there’s nowhere else available for people to sell their wares (apps).
you didn't understand my analogy. the plot of land is the iPhone not the phone market.
 
Can't these developer just write the stuff to run on Android and users that want this stuff buy Androids? It's not like iPhone is the only phone on the market.

Apple does allow competition in its App Store. You can install several mail apps or browsers or Plex, VLC, Amazon Music, Spotify, Pandora, etc.
HaHa. And when could you make another mail app the default mail app? Of another browser the default browser? After all it is your device.
 
Can't these developer just write the stuff to run on Android and users that want this stuff buy Androids? It's not like iPhone is the only phone on the market.

Apple does allow competition in its App Store. You can install several mail apps or browsers or Plex, VLC, Amazon Music, Spotify, Pandora, etc.
And if Ford used the same tactics that Apple does, you would have to buy a GM car. Now that sounds like a very consumer friendly market.
 
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Here’s the thing: Cydia is a software broker whose business model is entirely dependent on 3rd parties finding security exploits so that the Cydia application can be installed on an iPhone. Let me emphasize this: security exploits.

Apple never allowed or provided a means for competing app stores. Nothing has changed here in the last 12 years. Apple is not maliciously buying up competitors, engaging in price wars, or (as far as we know) creating illegal agreements with one competitor to destroy another. Cydia has been around the entire time, recording millions of dollars in revenue, but again, they are relying on security exploits to insert themselves into the equation. What on earth is Cydia going to argue to a judge? Apple is causing economic harm to its customers by patching security flaws which can be used for malicious intent? That is the only thing the judge is going to hear once Apple starts it’s argument in defense.

This is the question that Cydia is demanding be answered:
If I create a platform, then establish a marketplace within that platform, am I obligated to facilitate a competitor‘s marketplace within that platform? Your answer to that question has to be applied to a trillion-dollar corporation as well as a mom & pop company that can barely make payroll.

- Are gaming consoles with digital marketplaces obligated to create a means for competing marketplaces? What if the competing marketplace supersedes the original marketplace? Can the console manufacturer then charge rent since their marketplace is failing behind?

- If vehicle manufacturers add marketplaces to their entertainment systems, are they obligated to facilitate 3rd parties adding their own marketplaces to take share away from the OE? (specifically marketplaces, not just apps)

- If I buy an Alexa-enabled smart speaker, is Amazon obligated to give me the option to route my purchase requests to Walmart.com, overriding the default purchase mechanism? (Walmart is teamed up with Apple & Google)


I’ve said it once, I’ll say it again: Apple is using all its leverage to control the entire experience of its products and services: Brand, fashion, trust, security, performance, experience. There’s a reason that devs make far more money in the iOS universe - Apple has created an environment where the target audience is willing to spend money.
 
you didn't understand my analogy. the plot of land is the iPhone not the phone market.
No your analogy is just poor. That's not how regulators will be looking at this because the artificial limitation is implemented at the software/OS level, not the hardware level. The hardware is perfectly capable of utilizing another app store. Apple's locking down of the OS is what causes the issue.
 
They should. I mean, Apple COULD have made apps for WindowsCE, but they designed built and marketed their own phone. If you’re going to hitch your horse to a mercurial host (ahemYouTube), then you play by whatever rules they provide.

In fact, I’d be willing to BET that this is just the first phase of Cydia’s marketing scheme at the end of which they will release... THE CYDIA PHONE!
You're right. And every developer should first develop their own hardware and OS before they can release an app. OH but wait. They don't have to on a Mac or PC. But they have to on an iPhone. Please explain.
 
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