Ridiculous thread. Ridiculous conclusion. It's crazy to think your statement has any validity.
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Undwhelming Blackberry TORCH spells DOOM FOR RIM
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Ridiculous thread. Ridiculous conclusion. It's crazy to think your statement has any validity.
Oh come on, nobody says that with a straight face. If Activesync worked as well as BES it had a huge inbuilt deployment advantage at the start of this race and BES would never gained any market penetration in the first place.
The user experience is entirely irrelevant. What's "better" isn't neccessarily about the user experience. If corporate IT will only allow Blackberries because of security concerns, then the user experience choice is between a Blackberry and a device that doesn't get any email at all, in which case the Blackberry's experience ***** on the iPhone from a great height.
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Ringing the death knell for Blackberry is hyperbole into itself.
Love the iPhone all you want. But the Blackberry has a niche market and will be around for years. The storm wasn't popular and didn't kill RIM.
And ultimately who cares. Enjoy your iPhone. The obsessions people have on here of trying to smack down every other phone manufacturer is silly. Competition is healthy. It's good. And there is plenty of marketshare to go around.
And before anyone starts bringing in any statistics - consider that Mac computing is NICHE as well and has an extremely low marketshare compared to the PC. And yet Apple is hugely successful in its own right.
RIM motion needs to do something to combat Apple and Droid, but this does phone won't really impress that smartphone demographic. At least it won't do bad as the kin.
Plenty of people say it with a straight face, including me--An Exchange administrator that supports both ActiveSync and BES. ActiveSync is WAY easier to set up, just as reliable, entirely self-contained (our data never goes to a third party) and costs NOTHING, whereas BES is a royal pain in the ass to set up and costs $4500 per server (which has to be separate from your Exchange servers) plus $75 per device, plus support.
Unless you need to wirelessly and securely deploy custom applications over the air to phones all across the world (almost no one does this), ActiveSync trumps BES every time. We've migrated almost totally from BlackBerries to iPhones and Android devices, and I say good riddance. So do my users.
Granted it's just one survey, but when 50% of the respondents say that for their next smartphone purchase they plan on switching from BB to either Android or iPhone, you have to believe that RIM is very nervous.
Considering that, I'm sure this is not the phone RIM wishes they were revealing at this time. The Torch is not going to sway any significant number of people towards BB, and I'd guess it doesn't capture the reasons why 50% of BB users are more enamored of either Android or iPhone. Especially at this price. Sheesh, you go to AT&T and see a $200 i4 or a $200 Torch. Which one do think most people are going to choose?
Considering that, I'm sure this is not the phone RIM wishes they were revealing at this time. The Torch is not going to sway any significant number of people towards BB, and I'd guess it doesn't capture the reasons why 50% of BB users are more enamored of either Android or iPhone. Especially at this price. Sheesh, you go to AT&T and see a $200 i4 or a $200 Torch. Which one do think most people are going to choose?
So you know what power OS 6 needs to not be handicapped? Please enlighten us how you've come to possess knowledge given that the phone isn't in the wild yet. Or is this just something you're making up?
The one that best fits what they want and need to do. If reliable push email, a tactile keyboard and a phone that doesn't drop as many calls is important (more important) that person might pick the blackberry. For someone who loves media consumption and games/apps - then the iPhone.
Which survey are you referring to - do you have a link? Does the survey take into consideration the business market or is this JUST among consumers.
I've owned blackberries - which I loved. I love my iPhone. Different devices for different purposes. Both have compromises. When I was on the blackberry upgrade path - each new and improved model was exciting and the desire to upgrade was great. This is no different. To say that this phone (which hasn't hit the wild yet) is a failure or not exciting is just silly. It really is. That's the inner Apple Fan Ego (not calling you a fan boy) wanting to dismiss anything that isn't (in your eyes) as good.
Get over it. Enjoy your phone. There's plenty of business to be had by RIM. I don't think they are nearly as worried as everyone here wants to make them sound.
Link to the MacRumors article:
https://www.macrumors.com/2010/08/0...-smartphone-customers-for-first-half-of-2010/
Here's a link to the Nielsen graph:
http://blog.nielsen.com/nielsenwire/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/smartphone-switch.png
Note: It doesn't differentiate between business and other users. Only mentions BB owners who are planning on making a smartphone upgrade. Those numbers are a sharp contrast to Android and iPhone owners.
"Get over it."? After your little diatribe I'm guessing you meant that as a joke? Right?
Anyway, thanks for sharing your experience. I'm sure there are plenty of others like you. I also think there are many who don't share you feelings.
I stand by my opinion, just as I'm sure you stand behind the opinion you just expressed. My opinion remains, with no malice or delight, that this is not the phone RIM wishes they had at this time. Having said that I wonder where you see the word "failure" written in my original post?
Ah my mistake. Saw you quoted me and just assumed the entire post was directed at me. Thanks for clarifying.
In a low level corporation I can see this but no way in a big corporation would they switch to Apple.
LOL. So you want to make a comparison while conveniently leaving out the two features that make Blackberry email superior to all other mobile solutions? Good grief. It's not all about pretty rendering and images. For many, knowing that their communications are secure and private is far more important than colorful HTML email.
What do RIM and the Toronto Maple Leafs have in common? They both produce crap year after year that people buy in to and in that leads them into never having the need to better themselves. Why go for the gold when everybody is okay with tin?
Yes, it is actually crazy to think that, since that's not going to happen
Just as we used to say, "nobody every got fired for choosing IBM", corporate security departments think the same way about choosing RIM.
It certainly helps that RIM paid a half billion dollars for that patent for a true push implementation, while everyone else has to make do with repeated long pulls. Besides the obvious promptness benefit, it really helps with battery life.
exactly... business email use isn't about sending fancy, pretty looking emails...
with regards to the torch though... i just don't see the appeal of a slider phone. or a touchscreen on a BB, for that matter, especially after how the storm turned out
The only people who still use bb are generally stuck on Verizon either because its the only thing that works in a city that is rural or congested. Or because they are on a family plan on Verizon and it would be way more expensive to get the iPhone.
Otherwise "corporate types" are smart enough to realize the iPhone is way better and provides the same no nonsense convenience and they have all made the switch. I mean if the BB is "easy to use" then the iPhone is ultra easy.
Otherwise "corporate types" are smart enough to realize the iPhone is way better and provides the same no nonsense convenience and they have all made the switch. I mean if the BB is "easy to use" then the iPhone is ultra easy.
Although his comparison was a bit comical, the point is correct and BB does not have a superior email solution.
Gmail + Mail on iPhone is first of all push capable. Push email is not special or hard to find.
Gmail + Mail is superior to BB mail because you can access it from everywhere. not just your email account but from any email access point be it a browser or even some little built in applet on a dumb phone.
And unless you work for the Government, you dont need encrypted email. Who do you think you are? Bond? What does the common person need? Better accessibility or industrial grade encryption?
Actually, RIM is located in Waterloo, Ontario. About an hour outside of Toronto. (the founders attended the University of Waterloo and still live here today - both billionaires now of course)
To each their own. I'll stick to my iPod Touch and Blackberry and enjoy the best of both worlds.
Interesting that Android phones are gain market share on iPhone as well so it should be interesting to see what you guys make of that in the next 2yrs
It's been said, but I think it's difficult to ever spell doom for RIM because the vast majority of their user base is enterprise. And the vast majority of those customers/organizations have no interest in switching platforms, whatever the reason(s) may be.
Us iPhone/Droid/techotypes look at the BB Torch and roll our eyes. And in truth, it will probably help to take even more "consumer" market share away from BB and give it to Apple and Android. But the enterprise market is HUGE.
Us iPhone/Droid/techotypes look at the BB Torch and roll our eyes. And in truth, it will probably help to take even more "consumer" market share away from BB and give it to Apple and Android. But the enterprise market is HUGE.
Hate to break it to you but BB is still the most popular PDA device for business by a looooooong shot. I can't imagine too many CEO or CFO business leaders sitting down to type out emails and messages on their iPod.....er I mean iPhone.
Hate to break it to you but BB is still the most popular PDA device for business by a looooooong shot. I can't imagine too many CEO or CFO business leaders sitting down to type out emails and messages on their iPod.....er I mean iPhone.
The owner of the business I work for has an iPhone. He could have a BB but he has iPhone. And the touchscreen keyboard is faster than any mini button keyboard. I have written whole college essays in landscape mode.
The only people who have BB got it for free from their employer and it would make no sense to pay for a personal one.
Not many companies and positions in our society yield such benefits as a company phone. Its very very rare.
When I say corporate types I mean "types" not just CEOs. And most corporate types switched to iPhone a year and a half ago.