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So does anyone have a recommendation for a UPS under $200 new or used that can handle a 12core. I'm without a computer and research on my 3G is fruitless
Refurbished SUA1000.

Run into which problem?
Things such as devices will cease to run once switched over to the battery + inverter that generates a stepped output. There are other instances that it will work, but it actually damages the PSU (which may take out other parts of the system).

Some PSU's are fine, others aren't. Unfortunately, there's usually no way to know how your equipment will react until you try it. So the safest bet, is to fork over the additional cash for a pure sine wave unit to begin with (no returns to deal with, and it's safer anyway).

I think of the cash savings from a stepped output UPS as having your computer play Russian Roulette. :eek: :p
 
See, this is just more evidence that the whole pure sine wave vs. simulated sine wave thing is seriously over exaggerated in my opinion. I highly doubt companies would release such products that didn't function as stated.

We've experienced this at my company. Many Dell models shut off the instant the stepped sine wave UPS switches to battery. It has to do with the high efficiency power supplies Dell uses.

http://en.community.dell.com/support-forums/desktop/f/3514/p/19281682/19509341.aspx

The test is to plug several devices into the UPS. Unplug UPS from wall. All devices continue on battery except the Dell PC, which shuts off instantly.
 
Ok, well, I'm still on the fence on these sine wave models. Just still trying to learn more.

By the way, would anyone know about the APC SMT 1500 model? I can't seem to find the SUA1500 through normal navigation on APC's site (not doing a search). I have read that the SMT1500 is the successor to the SUA1500. This would probably explain why the SUA1500 is not on APC's products section of their site.

http://www.apc.com/products/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=SMT1500&total_watts=50

Edit: Just found some bad news for those that happen to be interested in a new SMT1500 by APC and also concerned about fans and noise levels, here is an interesting thread on APC's forums concerning the product's unusually loud fans:

http://www.apc-forums.com/thread.jspa?threadID=4500&start=15&tstart=0

Hope this is relevant.
 
Ok, well, I'm still on the fence on these sine wave models. Just still trying to learn more.

By the way, would anyone know about the APC SMT 1500 model? I can't seem to find the SUA1500 through normal navigation on APC's site (not doing a search). I have read that the SMT1500 is the successor to the SUA1500. This would probably explain why the SUA1500 is not on APC's products section of their site.

http://www.apc.com/products/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=SMT1500&total_watts=50
The SMT1500 is a replacement for the SUA1500 (International version, SUA1500i is still available, but operates at 230V input). The rackmount version is still in production as well SUA1500RM2U (US unit = 120V input).

But you can get SUA1500's as refurbished units (cheaper and they work; you may have some cosmetic blemishes, but they're not worth the $$$ for a new unit IMO).

Edit: Just found some bad news for those that happen to be interested in a new SMT1500 by APC and also concerned about fans and noise levels, here is an interesting thread on APC's forums concerning the product's unusually loud fans:

http://www.apc-forums.com/thread.jspa?threadID=4500&start=15&tstart=0
Read the last post in the link you provided, as APC seems to have released a newer firmware revision that changes the thermal profile for the unit (quieter operation). I'm not sure if it's the default firmware with newer units or not, so you may still need to contact APC if you have this particular unit in order to get it and flash your unit.

From APC:
Some initial production lots of SMT1000 and SMT1500 units contained firmware that operated the fans more often than on our previous generation units. This was done with the intent to keep the internal components as cool as possible to maximize the life of the electrical components and batteries. However, based on customer feedback about fan noise in quiet office or home environments, and additional validation testing, an enhancement was made to the firmware that reduces fan noise while still optimizing cooling and component life. If you feel that your unit is too noisy and has a fan that is running at high speed very often, please contact APC technical support to discuss a solution. Please advise the support representative to reference internal knowledge base article 11033.

Hope this helps. :)
 
I did a bit more research and found a couple of threads where it was suggested that late mode MP's have apfc PSU's. There is quite a bit of net chatter about whether or not a apfc PSU can be reliably used with a square wave output UPS. Found some mac related threads indicating buzzing sounds from MP PSU's when running from a non sine wave UPS. Anyway, take that as net BS or whatever.................... :p

For those who want a pure sine UPS, Provantage (dealt with them before) has a good price for them:
http://www.provantage.com/cyberpower-systems-pp1500swt2~7CYPR02Q.htm
I will probably go this route as my current 1500 UPS is over 5 years old.

cheers
JohnG
 
Read the last post in the link you provided, as APC seems to have released a newer firmware revision that changes the thermal profile for the unit (quieter operation). I'm not sure if it's the default firmware with newer units or not, so you may still need to contact APC if you have this particular unit in order to get it and flash your unit.

Hope this helps. :)

Yup, i saw that last post but forgot to follow up on it here. Thanks, I do think the SMT1500 looks good, of course albeit pricey. I actually do prefer it's new LCD readout rather than the SUA1500 so I will try to find good prices on it. I'll probably be returning my stepped 1500 then.
 
Just wanted to mention that I bought a CyberPower UPS 1350AVR unit , running a 12-Core and 30" ACD 5870+4HDD, with powered speakers and external drive. Pull the plug, tested 20 minutes , shut down with no problem at 5 ( as my settings are ) using the machine with the unit is only at 42% output capacity. :apple:
 
For those who want a pure sine UPS, Provantage (dealt with them before) has a good price for them:
http://www.provantage.com/cyberpower-systems-pp1500swt2~7CYPR02Q.htm
I will probably go this route as my current 1500 UPS is over 5 years old.
Unless its a stepped output, I'd keep it and change out the batteries, which require replacement after 3 - 5 years. Batteries will be cheaper than the new unit. Besides, at 5 years, you got a good run out of them. :D

Yup, i saw that last post but forgot to follow up on it here. Thanks, I do think the SMT1500 looks good, of course albeit pricey. I actually do prefer it's new LCD readout rather than the SUA1500 so I will try to find good prices on it. I'll probably be returning my stepped 1500 then.
I like the LCD display as well. The LED indicators on the SUA1500 were a bit "long in the tooth" as the saying goes, and seemed to fall behind the more recent models offered by the competition (Eaton definitely comes to mind). :p
 
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vogelhausdesign said:
Just wanted to mention that I bought a CyberPower UPS 1350AVR unit , running a 12-Core and 30\" ACD 5870+4HDD, with powered speakers and external drive. Pull the plug, tested 20 minutes , shut down with no problem at 5 ( as my settings are ) using the machine with the unit is only at 42% output capacity. :apple:

Ah, that\'s very good to know. Sigh, this decision wouldn\'t be so difficult if users with stepped sign wave models such as yourself didn\'t keep reporting back good results and positive feedback! :p

Ahh... Not sure again now lol
 
Just wanted to mention that I bought a CyberPower UPS 1350AVR unit , running a 12-Core and 30" ACD 5870+4HDD, with powered speakers and external drive. Pull the plug, tested 20 minutes , shut down with no problem at 5 ( as my settings are ) using the machine with the unit is only at 42% output capacity. :apple:

LOL ~~~~~~~ so, no buzzing from the PSU when on battery power, eh! :cool:. So much for internet babble.

cheers
JohnG
 
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And you also have the cyberpower 1500AVR? you said for 5 years? That's quite a long time for that model to be around!
 
Refurbished 1500TLV tested

I ordered 2 refurbished 1500TLV units from ExcessUPS on Monday. I found the unit listed cheaper on a few other sites, but they had sketchy reviews. ExcessUPS was recommended on this forum and their EBay feedback looked OK, so I went with them.

I ordered them through their EBay (not the website) store for $250 each with free shipping: http://cgi.ebay.com/APC-IBM-SMART-U...-/110582074452?pt=PCA_UPS&hash=item19bf348c54



They shipped Tuesday and arrived here Friday. The units were adequately packed. Both had moderate cosmetic damage to the cases, but nothing that you shouldn't expect in a SELLER-refurbished unit. The batteries looked new, but I didn't see a label so I believe they are an off-brand, not APC batteries.

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I'm testing one unit first. I plugged the new Mac Pro into the UPS along with my 30" ACD and my Altec Lansing speakers. The Mac Pro recognized the UPS with the included USB cable.

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There are a few shutdown options:

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The UPS icon appear nicely in the menu bar:

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The unit was charged 83% but quickly went to 100%. I pulled the wall plug -- the UPS alarmed and this came up:

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There was no lapse or flicker in the display when I pulled the plug. I did not have any processes running at the time. The power management window said I had 36 minutes of power at full charge.



The unit is VERY quiet at rest. The Mac Pro is louder. When the battery power kicks in, the fan in the UPS box comes on and it is quite noisy. However, it runs for only a few minutes after utility power is restored, then shuts off. People who have concerns about the fan noise of this unit do not need to be worried. My unit did not make the humming or whining noise described elsewhere (?).

Overall everything seems to work OK. I'm not sure how much ACTUAL time the UPS will provide; the power seemed to drain a bit faster than indicated. However, there should be more than enough time for a graceful save and shutdown. I plan on testing out the other unit and playing around a bit with the save/shutdown settings. The second UPS is for two external RAID boxes I intend to purchase for backup purposes. I suppose backup for those is even more critical, as they will lack the battery backup found internally on my Apple Pro RAID card.

I hope this was helpful to anyone asking about UPS options. I appreciate all the useful information I have received from posters on this forum. Thanks.
 
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And you also have the cyberpower 1500AVR? you said for 5 years? That's quite a long time for that model to be around!

I have the original version without the LCD display. Haven't checked the battery condition in a while so I can't claim what level of capacity they still have. ???

I'll probably check it with my new MP on Monday.

JohnG
 
Sigh, this decision wouldn\'t be so difficult if users with stepped sign wave models such as yourself didn\'t keep reporting back good results and positive feedback! :p
Not all stepped inverters are the same, equipment they're attached to (it can even differ within the same model numbers from a vendor), and most importantly, there may be cumulative damage they're not yet aware of (i.e. PSU not able to operate at nearly the load it's meant to).

To be sure a stepped unit will even work for certain with the equipment you own, you have to try it out. And only long term use (with multiple power outages/brownouts that trigger the inverter), will prove whether or not any damage is occuring when on the inverter.

So the point of pure sine wave units is to avoid the hassle and/or potential for damage in the first place.

And you also have the cyberpower 1500AVR? you said for 5 years? That's quite a long time for that model to be around!
USP models aren't changed year to year as other products are. It's also cheaper for them to do it that way (larger production quantity to disperse R&D costs).

Both had moderate cosmetic damage to the cases, but nothing that you shouldn't expect in a SELLER-refurbished unit. The batteries looked new, but I didn't see a label so I believe they are an off-brand, not APC batteries.
The refurbished units usually do have cosmetic damage, as that's not something they address (just battery changes, capacitors if needed, and test it).

As heavy as they are, damage is essentially inevitable anyway, as the tower versions will be tucked out of the way somewhere. So they get dinged up being moved, and I've seen them close enough to the user's feet, it may get kicked from time to time, and even used as a foot rest. :eek:

And they still hold up (just don't kick out the cords). :D :p

As per the batteries, they do get 3rd party parts, but APC doesn't actually make their own either. But there can be some slight differences in the current ratings between them (i.e. unknown brand vs. APC labeled units), and it makes a difference in how much time you get for the actual load.

The second UPS is for two external RAID boxes I intend to purchase for backup purposes. I suppose backup for those is even more critical, as they will lack the battery backup found internally on my Apple Pro RAID card.
Definitely, but if the card loses power, it won't matter if the drives do.

Also, sleep tends not to work with RAID cards, so you may want to keep note of that. And not all cards can spin down the cards (if offered, it tends to be a feature on the card, not the OS's power management, as the card takes control of the drives attached to the card, not the OS).
 
The unit is VERY quiet at rest. The Mac Pro is louder. When the battery power kicks in, the fan in the UPS box comes on and it is quite noisy. However, it runs for only a few minutes after utility power is restored, then shuts off. People who have concerns about the fan noise of this unit do not need to be worried. My unit did not make the humming or whining noise described elsewhere (?).

Hmm...

http://www.box.net/shared/mkr3roh1la


That is a link to a clip of the noise that I can hear when I get closer to my TLV. It's clearly coming through the vent on the side so I'm debating whether to just move it to the other side of my Mac Pro and then assume that the noise wont bother me, since like you said, the Mac Pro is still lounder on the whole.
 
Hmm...

http://box.net/files#/files/0/f/0/1/f_507536569


That is a link to a clip of the noise that I can hear when I get closer to my TLV. It's clearly coming through the vent on the side so I'm debating whether to just move it to the other side of my Mac Pro and then assume that the noise wont bother me, since like you said, the Mac Pro is still lounder on the whole.
The link doesn't provide a file that can be downloaded. Just a login.
 
i think i'm going to go with this one: http://www.cyberpowersystems.com/products/ups-systems/smart-app-ups/pp-series/PR2200SWRM2U.html

anyone see a reason why this would not be a good choice?

thanks for any input

That's an excellent choice for a business level server................... Certainly won't hurt having that big of a unit for a MP but it probably isn't really "needed" either.

Note: You should also check on the fan configuration for that unit. MANY/most rack mount systems run their fans 100% of the time. i.e. Racks tend to be somewhat toasty.

cheers
JohnG
 
Weird... it works for me. Are you sure you dont just need to turn up the volume?
Tried that with multiple playback options (headphones, sound system, and el cheapo powered computer speakers).

Oh well... :rolleyes: :p

i think i'm going to go with this one: http://www.cyberpowersystems.com/products/ups-systems/smart-app-ups/pp-series/PR2200SWRM2U.html

anyone see a reason why this would not be a good choice?
It has good specs, but the comment on noise for rackmount environments is valid. Something to think about anyway. ;)
 
Hey guys, just a quick heads up.. I tested my UPS again today Model Cyber Power 1350AVR , and i DID notice a buzzing sound coming from my power supply, is this bad? Can anyone explain it? it's working fine, just that buzzing sound kind of worries me..
 
the buzzing sound is due to a lousy sine wave form. I have used hi end audio a lot and a lot of computers. a square wave ups will work but it will vary its quality quite a bit more then a pure sine wave output. so if you viewed the wave on an o scope you would see the step or square wave for the lower quality unit vs the smooth wave of the better unit.

So if you look at five 1 hour tests of a stepped wave the steps will not be indentical. the pure wave will be much more close to smooth.

that buzz is the MP saying f this stepped wave I don't like it. test your mp and your ups 5 times and maybe 1 buzz out of 5 or 2 out of 5.
 
Hey guys, just a quick heads up.. I tested my UPS again today Model Cyber Power 1350AVR , and i DID notice a buzzing sound coming from my power supply, is this bad? Can anyone explain it? it's working fine, just that buzzing sound kind of worries me..

There are plenty of things in life to be worried about ................. and this is not one of them. :p
 
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