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it's a basic feature of any modern airline. Welcome to the modern world of in flight entertainment.

No, you can't charge your devices in South West Airlines, which does count as a major US airline. Much smaller airlines like Frontier also do not offer electrical outlets, leave alone in-flight entertainment.
 
Air Canada forbids using Bluetooth headphones at any phase during a flight on their Dash-8 series birds. So much for using my iPad on my flights.
Good to know that the Canadian Govt thinks a Bombardier can be brought down by sneaking a $20 pair of cheap BT earphones on board and using them.
 
Thank goodness! I was just sitting here thinking my iPad Pro was a real fatty. So fat that I can't even use it anymore. Someone take away this bloated trash!
Your sarcasm underlies a fundamental problem that Apple has with some of its user base. When does a computer become art or jewelry or just a showpiece? Apple is clearly trying to be a utilitarian technical device as well as all of those things at the same time so their products are priced accordingly. Their build quality is second only to their own brand value. I want a longer lasting device but I also want a smaller and lighter device every single generation release because that is the future that we are promised by Apple.They cannot promise to meet both your battery life needs and mine because we have different needs. But they can promise to deliver the future by always one upping themselves, challenging engineering and design paradigms.

In the world of fashion and design lifestyle technology that Apple has created, shoving a thick battery into a device just to squeeze out more hours of usage is simply vulgar and will never happen. At least I hope it does not.
 
Why on earth should they have to do that? What is to be gained by that?

Ummmmm..... lol, not sure I understand the question.
Why would I use a 1/4” headphone adapter, if that’s the port my hi-fi has?
Why would I use an HDMI to VGA cable, if I had an older Trinitron monitor I wanted to connect a Blu-Ray player to?
What is to be gained by that?
The ability to use my devices w/ my other devices... this ain’t rocket science!
 
Sorry, but Apple has no business calling this "Pro" if they pull the headphone jack. They would be much better off pulling their heads out of their a%^&s than the headphone jack from something that audio and video professionals are supposed to use.
The headphone jack would be missed on both the pro and non-pro models. The iPad not being pro has more to do with the crippled state of iOS. The iPad is a fun device that has its place but it can not replace a laptop for the vast majority of people. Even composing a mail or writing a doc file can be maddening without true multitasking or a pointer, the limited onscreen keyboard and file system, etc. Even Siri is counterproductive.
 
Yeah, the pros need to change not hold everyone back becasue they can’t adapt. That’s the worse excuse. If you would have said something about charging and listening, that’s a real thing. But if it’s just about old habits and old tech? Nope.
The “old tech” doesn’t apply when the replacement does not replicate the quality. Like saying forget wired Ethernet, wireless is good enough for everybody! A la MacBook pros. Trash
 
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The future is wireless, embrace it or not,it’s your money, but since the money are coming from this, it’s clear a lot of people cry on internet but buy in real life
Kids these days are born with wireless,so will never know the difference, because its cool for them to embrace the future
 
The future is wireless, embrace it or not,it’s your money, but since the money are coming from this, it’s clear a lot of people cry on internet but buy in real life
Kids these days are born with wireless,so will never know the difference, because its cool for them to embrace the future

Agree Apple is targeting $$$ (young people who don’t use audio professionally) and those of us that do have been warned. Look what Apple did to the professional image editors with their lack of a “pro” upgradable desktop or display . . we we’re left high and dry.
 
There are better lightning DACs/adapters than apple offers out there.

Do you have any recommendations on one that's lightning to 1/8" (as opposed to being built into some headphones)? Doing a quick search seems to only find really cheap looking ones.
 
I love Bluetooth headphones, but for music making on the ipad or watching films the latency is horrible. I have had to get a Bluetooth adapter to fit into the headphone socket to make the latency bearable. Now I'll have to have a dongle plugged into another dongle to get decent latency! So much for wireless...:)
 
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Haven’t you heard? They want everyone to buy AirPods. That’s her solution.
THAT is the ONLY reason the 3.5mm is no more. Yet many here cheer that they are being milked for more $

Apple could have released the AirPods with a 3.5mm jack, but then they couldn’t force people to buy it en masse. Simple solution, claim its to make the iPhone waterproof, and the non-critical thinkers applaud the move.
 
I can't believe people are still surprised/shocked/angered about the headphone jack, several years later.

You knew this was coming.

Get used to it, or buy something else.
 
Maybe Apple is planning on launching a new dongle division? They kinda need to at this rate. I bet within two years iPhones won’t have ANY jacks.
 
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Let's be honest, Apple's external DAC "adapter" is not any better quality than their internal one, yet people act like this is somehow a better solution. ...
THAT is the ONLY reason the 3.5mm is no more. Yet many here cheer that they are being milked for more $
Apple could have released the AirPods with a 3.5mm jack, but then they couldn’t force people to buy it en masse. Simple solution, claim its to make the iPhone waterproof, and the non-critical thinkers applaud the move.

That is why critics have correctly called out the sheeple - for blindly accepting every lie from Apple.

The waterproof nonsense has been already disproved, yet people still quote that fable.

From the days of custom rooms to listen to music from a decent audio system to the days of iPods and iPhones where the audio was always several steps below par, the frogs have been cooked properly.

The best audio system/setup most of the world has today is their automobile, and even that is getting compromised daily by these condensed input audio pods from all makers. Even CDs/CD-players are going away - somehow people believe they are listening to perfect streaming audio.

Then, you go to a movie theater, and the whole illusion is blown away (damped by the visual experience). No similar audio only substitute.
 
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Y'know, I can buy their cock and bull about needing the internal space on an iPhone, but iPads are larger and are utilized in a significantly wider scope of scenarios, some of which uses the headphone jack to output audio without the need of toting additional dongles or adapters.

But whatever. This company is deep in their bubble and stopped caring about real-world usage long ago.

Agreed. Apple design decisions make no sense anymore. Today’s Apple isn’t the same company that won me over years back.

I use my iPad Pro audio out jack all the time because I use it for music work and for watching videos (i connect it to an amp & speakers). The adapter doesn’t provide power into the lightning port. It took Apple way too long to give us a USB socket with a power connector for iPad (and it lacks a regular data connection on that power socket). I don’t see them releasing a lighting connector with all three (charge/power, USB, audio I/O), ever.

People at Apple who are making the decisions on how to design things, and which bugs matter to be fixed, aren’t using their own products enough.
 
Of course you do. When you’ve got expensive good sounding headphones that you travel with because a bunch of airlines in various parts of the world do not allow Bluetooth to be used on the planes. Headphones that can be plugged into the plane itself to hear the movie, or into your iPhone or iPad when you get to your destination. So if I want to use those headphones on a Mac, I use the headphone jack or some sort of usb c adapter. On the iPad I use an adapter which is different that the iPhone adapter?

Or do I throw out my master and dynamic or Grado headphones because you’ve decided I’m behind the times and should be happy with beats or AirPods that keep falling out of my ears (I own AirPods. They don’t stay in.)?

Use the slim less than 1 ounce adapter that Apple will likely supply for the first few years (though possibly USB C on the iPad end), similar to what the company did when removing the headphone jack from the iPhone. Just keep the adapter in the bag which holds your iPad.

Yeah, I know there will be a huge whinefest by some about how the $10 Apple-supplied adapter will not be up to snuff for those using $1K headphones. In which has I'll have to LOL about expecting a superb listening room environment and experience on a noisy and vibration prone airplane.
 
Agreed. Apple design decisions make no sense anymore. Today’s Apple isn’t the same company that won me over years back.

I use my iPad Pro audio out jack all the time because I use it for music work and for watching videos (i connect it to an amp & speakers). The adapter doesn’t provide power into the lightning port. It took Apple way too long to give us a USB socket with a power connector for iPad (and it lacks a regular data connection on that power socket). I don’t see them releasing a lighting connector with all three (charge/power, USB, audio I/O), ever.

People at Apple who are making the decisions on how to design things, and which bugs matter to be fixed, aren’t using their own products enough.

This might help shed some light.

 
Non flat back on iPad is really bad on that size. I have seen IT guys stacking iPads, 3 to 5 in a stack during mass setup on big organizations. This is before adding a case protection.
 
With the removal of the jack finally Apple admits that the iPad is a toy. It’s a device to browse Facebook, write an occasional email, surf the web - let’s face it: a pure (with the soon to be released Model, a worse) media consuming device for 99% of the customers. With the removal of the jack not only the software is limited, now on the hardware side Apple forces awkward workarounds onto some of its customers as well.

Glad that I can keep my current iPad Pro. It’s thin enough, has a jack and the software is lightyears behind on what the hardware is capable of anyway, I don’t see a reason to upgrade for years.
 
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