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Upcoming 2018 iPad Pro Could Be 5.9mm Thick With No Headphone Jack

Assuming that Apple provides for wired audio out via usb-c, you still have to power the dac, you still have opamps to power the output, so any savings in power is a moot point. The only thing that will be missing is the convenience of having a 3.5 jack. If they don't provide audio out via usb-c, it would be a major mistake on Apple's part and many will vote with their wallets.
 
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citysnaps said:
You need to read my original post: "The question to ask is, assuming the rumor is in fact true, what was gained that the elimination of the headphone jack helped foster?"
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Misinterpretation, as it was mentioned an edge to edge screen was gained.
 
Mac 128 said:
Are you really trying to say that the power draw from the internal DAC and amp to drive a pair of wired EarPods through a headphone jack, is in any way comparable to the power the Bluetooth radio uses to transmit the unconverted signal to AirPods?



Then why did Apple not remove the headphone jack on the mobile MacBook Pro, when they redesigned it with one USB-C port?
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No I didn’ t say that, but there was stated that there was no extra loss at all, using 3.5mm jack to listen audio, and then it compared to all of the power lost on bt. So zero to 10 instead of 7 tot 10.
Bluetooth audio doesn’ t take that much more as stated than using the internal amplifier, of the iPhone. That is all.
Not to mention the statement that it doesn’ t take extra power if you crank the volume up on a headset with a 3.5mm connection. I just had to react to that, because it simply is not true.

If you play at high volume on a 3.5mm headset it draws more power from the phone itself.
If you play at high volume on a bt set, it takes a bigger powerdraw from the headset itself, not the phone.
 
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cmaier said:
I fly a LOT. Many airlines don’t offer Wi-Fi. None are free.

In any event, why do all you people have to keep telling the rest of us we aren’t using the airplane right? We have our needs, our workflows, our use cases. Great that having to have different adapters for each device isn’t something you need to worry about. But for many it is. You telling us we should just fly on different planes, buy different headphones, carry a different bag with different dedicated dongle compartments, etc. is not very helpful.
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You can fly anyway you choose, and you may fly a lot, but you don't seem to understand how "wi-fi" is being used on nearly all airlines that you likely fly on, or even what is available that you are missing out on. Contrary to your stated misunderstanding, wi-fii is on every major airline that you likely fly on. And, it is almost always free! But, there are two types they offer you.

1) Wi-fi to surf the web is not free for the most part, although some are starting to offer some limited wi-fi for things like texting, as a competitive advantage.

2) However, free wi-fi to use the in flight entertainment and information systems is nearly ubiquitous in America and major airlines around the world. It's now a necessary business move as nearly everyone is bringing their own device on the airplane and airlines have to offer it in the highly competitive business environment they operate in. You probably don't know it, but check before your next flight, and you will find that your airlines has an app they want you to download before your flight, e.g., United has its own, Delta and Alaska use the Go-Go App, that you can use to access the free wi-fi for their entertainment systems, flight information, etc.

So, no one is trying to tell you how to use your devices when you fly, but you should know that your worries about needing to plug in to a 3.5mm in arm rests and the like is largely a thing of the past. Hopefully, that takes some of your stress away.

Happy flying. Here's a link to give you more details about why wi-fi has spread even among the discount and smaller airlines.

http://fortune.com/2018/05/12/airlines-wifi-spirit-ryanair-frontier/
 
nbourbaki said:
Assuming that Apple provides for wired audio out via usb-c, you still have to power the dac, you still have opamps to power the output, so any savings in power is a moot point. The only thing that will be missing is the convenience of having a 3.5 jack. If they don't provide audio out via usb-c, it would be a major mistake on Apple's part and many will vote with their wallets.
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I can’t imagine why Apple wouldn’t offer audio over USB-C on the iPad. It might be a proprietary signal, incompatible with some USB-C devices, but should otherwise be there.

The idea of any power being saved by removing the headphone jack is just moot. Obviously whether the internal DAC and amp are being used or a BT radio, no power is being saved, and in the case of BT, more is being expended, draining the battery more quickly. Turning the amp to 11 on the iPhone is still consuming less power than a BT radio.

All things considered, the physical connection is best for quality, latency, power and reliability, and the wireless connection is best for convenience, where the other factors are not issues.
 
ValO said:
https://m.androidcentral.com/does-my-phone-have-dac-explaining-dacs-and-amps-smartphones-today
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I am not sure if one of us is misunderstanding the other, however any device that plays sound has a DAC, this is reiterated in your source.

Without getting too long or technical, even with the removal of the headphone jack in the iPhone there is still a DAC used for the speaker/s, etc. Power is being used in a standby state, similar to if there was a jack with no headphones plugged in.

The only theoretical way for the iPhone to not include a DAC is if it had no speakers, earphone and mic. In this method the phone if you can call it as such would externalizes the DAC to a lightening headphone or Bluetooth device.

Long story short if the iPad has a speaker/s and/or mic it has a DAC. So there is no benefit to remove the jack. To my knowledge each sound source does not have a separate DAC, it is shared.

Having BT audio would have a DAC on the iOS device (speaker, etc) and another on the BT headphones. More complexity.
 
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Mac 128 said:
I can’t imagine why Apple wouldn’t offer audio over USB-C on the iPad. It might be a proprietary signal, incompatible with some USB-C devices, but should otherwise be there.
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Their implementation would need to support usb audio accessory mode. As long as I can charge and use wired headphones at the same time, I'll buy. Dongle or not. But I can't imagine buying a device that can only be used with BT. Typically I only charge my BT headphone before a flight. My reducing charge cycles I get more life out of a device that doesn't lend itself to replacing the battery. At home I always use wired headphones.
 
truthertech said:
You don't need to attest to it, no one said every single airline offers it, just every major airline in the US and most around the world. Smaller regional carriers are a relatively moot point as they aren't offering this type of in flight entertainment anyways, due to costs and the length of the the trips.
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They offer it on a select number of aircraft.

In any case, the point of airlines providing WiFi doesn’t satisfy the headphone jack being removed...
 
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code-m said:
I am not sure if the “remove headphone jack” group here is suffering from some head buried in ground/sand ailment or something else.

As explained by Apple the jack was removed to make room for the Taptic Engine, followed by some nonsense marketing talk of it being historic. I cannot believe people bought into the marketing.

The Taptic Engine over generations can be made smaller or adjust placement to reaccommodate the jack. Want to bet that will not happen in the iPhone. It’s not like their increased the size and capacity of the battery due to its removal.

Fact is the battery size and capacity have decreased, the silicone size has decreased and yet the Taptic Engine seems to be relative the same size since introduction. Or what could possibly be reincorporated into the device if only for a small component shrink or replacement. Even the AppleWatch has a tiny Taptic Engine. Can it be done, sure the answer is clear. However if your battery degraded slowly using wired headphones and you do not have to buy BT headphones or buy a new iPhone or replace the battery faster than needed over the course of its lifespan then there is nothing for Apple to gain in the accessory and replacement sector.

One solution is to make it law to incorporate a headphone jack or a free dongle as there is law being drafted to allow the FM radio to be used on iPhone. Similar to EU law relating to phone chargers/adapters, RTR, etc. Some companies bring these actions on to themselves.

There are many ports on my previous MBP that I either used infrequently or not at all, I have no problem that it takes up space on my device. Others do have a use for it and it is available, why impose my lack of need onto others.

If I wanted others to live as I do, there would be no cars on the road. Sounds outrageous to impose my will onto others without considering theirs. Apple over the years has transformed into being a selfish wall street suit. I hate saying this, but it seems accurate.
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There is no "remove the headphone jack" crowd, that's made up. As there is no "remove the home button" crowd. Apple has some type of research that fed into the ultimate decision to remove the headphone jack. Even if in the short term, some customers may not like that direction.

All of the discussion in the post is not relevant to that Apple removed the headphone jack. There will be no law mandating it as there will be no law in the US mandating a functioning FM receiver, which really I would like to get am/fm hd. But that's besides the point.

Apple is not forcing anybody to buy their products, you however, can provide feedback to apple and see what happens. Or vote with your wallet.

Apple has only transformed into being a selfish wall street suit (and no it's not accurate), because SJ is not running the company. TC by every measure is giving the majority of their customers what they want. Else they wouldn't be where they are. No company is ever going to please 100% of their customers.
 
I7guy said:
Apple is not forcing anybody to buy their products, you however, can provide feedback to apple and see what happens. Or vote with your wallet.

Apple has only transformed into being a selfish wall street suit (and no it's not accurate), because SJ is not running the company. TC by every measure is giving the majority of their customers what they want. Else they wouldn't be where they are. No company is ever going to please 100% of their customers.
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Already provides Apple feedback and voting with my wallet :)

Thus is life. Sometimes this companies words do not match its actions.

I concur on the FM radio argument.
 
Removal of the headphone jack would be a mistake for most people.

Therefore, that’s what Apple will do.
 
Naimfan said:
Removal of the headphone jack would be a mistake for most people.

Therefore, that’s what Apple will do.
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“Cannot innovate my arse” Phil Schiller :rolleyes:

Today Apple introduces the most innovative in iPad breakthrough technology. ::seconds later:: Introducing the NotePad Pro, it’s the thinnest, lightest and has infinity battery life of any previous iPad to date. Available in 3 sizes, letter/legal/tabloid, in two colours beige and white, starting at $499 for 50 pages, $599 for 100 pages and $$699 for 500 pages. Available for pre-order this Friday with delivery a week later.

::crowd oohs and aahs, claps, standing ovation::

Tim Cook, this is going to be big and one more thing, introducing the battery-less Apple lead pencil, “we believe customers/users will love it”.

::crowd goes wild::

Thank you for coming today.

Next quarter financial report, Apple has done it again the NotePad and Apple lead pencil have been a big hit. Apple customers absolutely love our products and innovation.
 
Naimfan said:
Removal of the headphone jack would be a mistake for most people.

Therefore, that’s what Apple will do.
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Nope, Apple is about the future, the future is our children, our children are born and will be born in a touch and wireless world
 
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truthertech said:
You can fly anyway you choose, and you may fly a lot, but you don't seem to understand how "wi-fi" is being used on nearly all airlines that you likely fly on, or even what is available that you are missing out on. Contrary to your stated misunderstanding, wi-fii is on every major airline that you likely fly on. And, it is almost always free! But, there are two types they offer you.

1) Wi-fi to surf the web is not free for the most part, although some are starting to offer some limited wi-fi for things like texting, as a competitive advantage.

2) However, free wi-fi to use the in flight entertainment and information systems is nearly ubiquitous in America and major airlines around the world. It's now a necessary business move as nearly everyone is bringing their own device on the airplane and airlines have to offer it in the highly competitive business environment they operate in. You probably don't know it, but check before your next flight, and you will find that your airlines has an app they want you to download before your flight, e.g., United has its own, Delta and Alaska use the Go-Go App, that you can use to access the free wi-fi for their entertainment systems, flight information, etc.

So, no one is trying to tell you how to use your devices when you fly, but you should know that your worries about needing to plug in to a 3.5mm in arm rests and the like is largely a thing of the past. Hopefully, that takes some of your stress away.

Happy flying. Here's a link to give you more details about why wi-fi has spread even among the discount and smaller airlines.

http://fortune.com/2018/05/12/airlines-wifi-spirit-ryanair-frontier/
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I actually prefer BYOD IFE. Usually content is more up to date.

Some airlines have, in the very recent past, adopted an IFE that is basically an Android smartphone, with all the pros and cons that come with it. When these new aircraft launched back in 2013 or so I was very impressed; not so much in 2018, since it is still be the same IFE and will be for some years to come.

I still remember, back in 2014, when American Airlines still had those 1 inch IFEs on their 777s. Pathetic.

Give me power plugs, wi-fi and a phone/tablet holder and I'm good to go.
 
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Two hour flight to NYC during the US Open and Fashion week - new aircraft on SW Airlines - no in flight entertainment or power sources on the arm rests or setback. Asked the stewardess/hostess what happened - was told that it was the way they are doing things on the new planes!

Seriously - you use the phrase "fake news"!

The link you posted means nothing.
 
code-m said:
Already provides Apple feedback and voting with my wallet :)

Thus is life. Sometimes this companies words do not match its actions.

I concur on the FM radio argument.
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Great. Glad to hear you have taken positive action on your technical troubles.:)

I would like to amend the sentence: "Sometimes this companies words do not match its actions." to "Apple cannot please everybody 100%. Sometimes this company's actions go in a direction counter to what a minority would want them to do."
 
I7guy said:
Great. Glad to hear you have taken positive action on your technical troubles.:)

I would like to amend the sentence: "Sometimes this companies words do not match its actions." to "Apple cannot please everybody 100%. Sometimes this company's actions go in a direction counter to what a minority would want them to do."
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Are you saying this is one of those minority usecases? As in, the topic in this thread?
 
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