No. I'm saying that, imo, there is a vocal minority of potential userbase of the new ipad that is posting in this thread. Apple removed the headphone jack on the iphone 7 and it didn't seem to affect apple much, if at all. Same thing here.
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Upcoming 2018 iPad Pro Could Be 5.9mm Thick With No Headphone Jack
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The problem is that even if the overwhelming consensus of their customers was to keep the 3.5 audio jack, it wouldn't make any difference to Apple. Having the jack hasn't kept the iPad from being the top tablet in the market since the first device. Since every iPad to date has had the 3.5 audio jack I could assume from the vitriol of the posters against the 3.5 jack that they have never owned an iPad, so why would you assume the people that want a 3.5 jack being in the minority?
No, not there yet, just throwing in another prop. Faraday cage next!The point is, Apple offering the wonderful world of wireless to its customers never needed cutting off the wired resources. Buying into the "enormous" space occupied by the audio jack that deprives the users of so much battery time is the worst sheeple behavior yet.
Mobile products should not need more than a power source accessory - definitely no dongles. iPhone, iPad, MacBook, all of them are in this category.
As for brain cancer, or gonad cancer, only time will tell. Until then, seize the day!
Only by judging the success of the iphones after the 7. But time will tell.
A slippery slope, as it can apply to many actions and direction Apple has taken. Sure some have worked in its favour, others reworked or were completely abandoned. Apple does not always make the right choice, blind faith in their decisions and actions is a very dangerous thing, just saying.
Did I say Airpods sound better than most headphones?
I put on and take off my Airpods 7-10 times a day. A $100 pair of headphones won't last the sheer amount of wear and tear I put on those wires. Not even a $400 pair of wired sports earbuds lasted me longer than 6 months. The extra sound quality you get, if any, from a wire isn't worth dealing with on a daily basis.
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that wasn't my point. regardless, plenty of people including me use the iPad to watch movies while running on a treadmill (the gym has fast wifi, so netflix actually isn't so painful to use there).
extra step isn't necessary the majority of users that switched to wireless audio.
i can get into a whole argument of how it benefits the user, but i know exactly how the argument is going to go since i've had the same or similar arguments on this forum many times. i rather not jump into it again.
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the removal of certain ports on the macbook? again, i've had the same argument hundreds of times on this forum and i know how this one is going to turn out, so i rather not spend another 1-2 hours going back and forth repeating myself.
if you really want the reasons, i can type it out, but just know i will not read your rebuttal if you disagree.
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How do you measure success, when all future iPhones do not even provide you the option of a jack. Ah buy an overpriced illogical dongle that takes two functions of audio and charging into restricting its capability to either audio or charging. Better solution if Apple is going to remove the jack then include a lightening dongle with a “Y’ configuration for audio and the other for power. Nope too much sense for a company that takes their time to perfect the “user experience’”.
Argument two, don’t like it don’t buy it, or use a dongle, or buy another model. Considering the 6S has been officially discontinued and the ill designed dongle has to be purchased separately. Let me guess oh buy a 3rd party ‘Y” dongle. Let’s forget that many people have invested in apps and other accessories to fit their profession and workflow.
This is not a solution or convenient to the “user experience”. Include the jack and your BT AirPod option, what happened to choice. The only thing this decision reminds me of is a money grab.
It seems Apple spent all those years to figure out a way how to convince the market into its bs reasoning. The saddest part some people had no choice other than to buy into it due to a lack of choice and options.
Want OIS, buy the 6/S plus. Want a better camera or more RAM get the Plus model. Happy that the Xs corrects this.
User says screw this, moving to Android, ah but all those apps have to be repurchased (additional cost), due to the walled garden. Oh my what a “green” and forwarding thinking company Apple is.
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You can provide links to your closing argument of your posts. No requirement to re-type anything.
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So if you prefer wireless, let’s push that choice to everyone. I use both and feel giving the user the choice is beneficial. Oh no BT battery needs to recharge, wait or get another pair.
I don’t use the lightening port, according to your logic Apple should eliminate that too since we have 15W Qi charging, oh I forgot it is the 10W or less 1st gen Qi fast charging standard. Got to love the marketing bs.
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Someone wold think that there are so many recorded injuries from a headphone/earphone wire all these years that it is a serious medical problem. People were fine with wires, if you want wireless, great there is an option for those who prefer it.
I guess shoe laces, belts and hoodie cords are also a problem, lets just ride of all of them. That lightening cable is also such an inconvenience, let get rid of that too.
Who gains the most from these actions Apple and 3rd party manufacturers. I want to charge my iOS device, oh no, there is no lightening option, I have to buy a Qi charger that has a USB cable to connect to a power source. More e/waste expense and efficiency for a little convenience (if you want to call it such when travelling).
Apple is a “green” company, for profit or the environment.
So that a decision is reworked means what? That it improves upon what it did. I don't care about reworked because that's called progress. Name some under TC that were completely abandoned. I'm not sure who has blind faith, maybe you can point them out. Me, I just don't care enough to complain.
You can't measure success by hypothecathing what if scenarios, eg how much more successful would apple have been if it had touch id, sd card and headphone jack on the Xs. That's not the way success works.
I don't have any problem with the removal of the headphone jack, that's not to say, it didn't serve a purpose, but I can still use my headphones. Nothing wrong with the user experience.
Argument two still holds. If your profession REQUIRES a headphone jack and you are on a 6s, frankly you are screwed. Apple will probably lose those customers to Android.
With the new iphones you get lightning earpods...not sure of where the money grab is, don't even need a dongle.
The Xs is way more expensive than the 6/s+ so there is a reason ois is included. I can't remember the last time I bought a car and nav was included, because car companies don't option like that, neither does apple.
But all in all, argument two is still valid. There are other vendors that will cater to your taste and it sounds like you already got started.
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Then apple will feel the pinch, if what you are implying is true.
So Apple improved on the 3.5mm jack with BT, really. One is wired the other is wireless, both can co-exist. This is not a situation of replacing the 3.5mm jack with another well established and advantageous wired option. BT was upgraded from vX, v2-v5 that is an improvement which has nothing to do with Apple. The W1 chip in the AirPods is a custom BT chip that uses BT protocol.
The only patents that Apple has applied for for the 3.5mm jack is a “D” shaped variant to make it skinner. That is the meaning of reworking an established standard. The change was in its shape, this was in 2015 (I believe) which is under Tim Cook (give or take), which was abandoned.
You can't measure success by hypothecathing what if scenarios, eg how much more successful would apple have been if it had touch id, sd card and headphone jack on the Xs. That's not the way success works.
I don't have any problem with the removal of the headphone jack, that's not to say, it didn't serve a purpose, but I can still use my headphones. Nothing wrong with the user experience.
Argument two still holds. If your profession REQUIRES a headphone jack and you are on a 6s, frankly you are screwed. Apple will probably lose those customers to Android.
With the new iphones you get lightning earpods...not sure of where the money grab is, don't even need a dongle.
The Xs is way more expensive than the 6/s+ so there is a reason ois is included. I can't remember the last time I bought a car and nav was included, because car companies don't option like that, neither does apple.
But all in all, argument two is still valid. There are other vendors that will cater to your taste and it sounds like you already got started.
The included EarPods do not fit my ears, and I am not the only one. Maybe I should get ear canal surgery to use Apples definition of “universal fit” Even if it included a hook/fin that may work, however no such item is provided. The included EarPod will not allow you to charge your phone at the same time while using it for audio listening.
Why are you trying to justify Apples poor product decision choice? Why omit it, the cost is negaligble to keep it and many people (or a minority in your opinion) still prefer to use it.
My wired 3.5mm headphones have been in use for over 10+ years, still sound good and works. If it was a pair of BT headphones the battery would not even last, let along probably need to be replaced.
OIS was an option only on the Plus model not the 4.7” model until the release of iPhone 7. I have purchased new budget vehicles and nav was included, plus XM for 3 months. Be a wise shopper and compare features and prices, we live in the Information Age with smart devices in our pockets.
As per your acknowledgement, maybe you don’t care about this particular situation and you have moved on. Great that is your choice, however you are defending Apple and imposing your acceptance and Apples arrogance onto users who do have a use for a particular feature/function.
Apples motto, remove what worked, replace with a more expensive option that is not comparable or has some drawback and market their solution to a problem their created where none existed. Claim its in the benefit for the “user experience”, and people buy into this marketing bs. What have Apple users become?
What does that even mean? For people who fly, wired is the better option in my opinion for this particular device. If you forget your headphones or if they get lost, you can just go to one of those gift shops and pick one up for cheap.
The biggest example is the 4 inch screen on the iPhone. How many years did apple resist selling a larger screen on the iPhone? It wasn't until after SJ died. Apple was losing lots of market share and apple did an about face and started offering phones with larger screens after preaching for years that the iPhone was the perfect size with an optimal screen size
So much e/waste:
Wired = no battery or every to recharge.
Wired = durable for longer, misuse and abuse can affect any and all devices.
Wired = affordable option.
Wired = readily available.
Wireless = constant recharging and limited use.
Wireless = constant charging will wear out the device.
Wireless = even the most affordable option is expensive in comparison and sound quality is reduced.
Wireless = mainly cheaper options with BT v2-3 maybe available. Quality is questionable for the price.
I have both, and prefer wired due to the above reasons. I have never found the wires to get in my way, tangle during use. Get flat cord tangle free versions. I have pairs that have lasted me for over 10+ years, like them a lot some have gone through the washing machine by accident and still work great.
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You forgot to mention that reachability was introduced too to mitigate the larger screens. While a simple rework of iOS UX/Ui would have resolved this problem. This apparently still exists till this day. For a company such as Apple to claim that it rethinks features and functions over and over to perfection, seems someone feel asleep at the wheel.
Apparently Apple believes I have elongated alien thumbs to reach notification and control centre on the iPhone X design. This is coming from a phone should be a single handed device. reachability is a sad excuse of a pseudo solution.
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Of course they are getting rid of it. It's all about money. They know they'll get away with it so why not?
Don't like it, don't buy it. But you will.
Don't like it, don't buy it. But you will.
I have the 2017 iPad Pro, I don’t see myself upgrading. TouchID works well and I like the Smart KB to use with it. Having FaceID and a pseudo bezeless display is not enough to upgrade and ditch the Smart KB if the Smart Connector has been relocated or changed.
If this is the direction Apple is heading this is the last iPad I will own.
I have an iPhone Xs that has greatly improved FaceID compared to the X, and I got the device free. However still feel:
#BringBackTheJack
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I suspect that once AirPower is released, the Lightening Port on the iPhone will be sunset.
Lightening is used for accessories:
Apple Wireless KB
Apple Wireless Mouse
Apple Wireless TrackPad
AppleTV Remote
AirPod Case
iPhone
iPad/Pro
Apple Watch has Mag Induction disc.
If this rumour is true the iPad Pro will adopt USB-C and loose Lightening to align with the “computer” definition and loose the headphone jack.
Apple laptops and desktops have headphone jacks. IOS devices (iPhone) do not. This product seems like an I/O mess. Talk about travelling with numerous cables to charge your devices.
Fast Chargers not even provided in the box when purchasing iPhone Xs, iPad Pro. Lightening to 3.5mm dongle not included. How penny pinching does a 1 Trillion dollar valuation company have to be.
At this rate, future iPhones and iPad will not include a power adapter, lightening cable or headphones. MR users, oh but you have so many Lightening cables or adapters from your prior iOS products or just buy one if you need it. I wonder if MR forum has been infiltrated by Apple employees, hmm concerningw due to their defensive stance.
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Two hour flight to NYC during the US Open and Fashion week - new aircraft on SW Airlines - no in flight entertainment or power sources on the arm rests or setback. Asked the stewardess/hostess what happened - was told that it was the way they are doing things on the new planes!
Seriously - you use the phrase "fake news"!
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Yes, let's ignore the facts of what SW advertises and what the rest of us experience on most flights and go by what a flight attendant told you on one flight. Come on, you can't be serious. That is how fake news spreads.
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No, you can still pine for it because you miss it, but it does counter the point someone was trying to make that it made travel so much more difficult. It also helps explain why sales didn't plummet, and instead hundreds of millions continue to purchase, as the vast majority of people:
1) Just use the included ear buds, so they couldn't care less what's on the end.
2) Out of those that don't use the included ear buds, they either
-Have switched to wireless and couldn't care less, OR
- They took the two seconds and simply plugged the free adaptor on the headphones they owned and they never thought about it again.
There's only a tiny fraction of people who, for some reason, losing the headphone jack disrupted their lives enough that they still think about it a lot. Other companies have watched and realized the same and that's why they are now dropping the headphone jack too.
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A front line employee is a representative of the company. Maybe this employee was not informed or uncertain or sure. That does not mean this MR poster experience was inaccurate. Companies have apologized for their front line employees actions or comments, it is not new.
Yes, because false advertising has never happened.
I am not taking sides, however you are making this MR posters experience on SW to be false. When in reality the above could have happened, it is unfortunate that this was the experience at that time.
That’s a perfect example of Jobs myopia and cook seeing what was necessary. You are really citing that as an example of an about face? A move that catapulted Apple into stratospheric record breaking earnings?
So much angst over a dongle. Life’s too short to get worked up over nothing. #getdongled
Nah the dongle is too short. Typical Apple, short lightening cable too.
Well if it is nothing, no reason for Apple to remove it as it does not exist
Nah the dongle is too short. Typical Apple, short lightening cable too.
Well if it is nothing, no reason for Apple to remove it as it does not exist
I see what you did there lol. But if it doesn't exist...it can't be removed, so it wasn't, so we are all good right?