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No, but I do use it on the move, such as walking around the classroom with it, keying in fitness test results into google docs in the school field, updating my school blog while with my students overseas, even reading my emcee script while on stage.

And they all benefit from the iPad being as thin and light as possible. So long as Apple is able to maintain the long battery life that iPads are renowned for, there is really no such thing as the iPad being too thin or too light (for me).

I feel if Apple wanted to make the sacrifice to remove the headphone jack, they should have started with the basic iPad line and make it as light and cheap as possible. Media consumption and simple, trivial tasks like you just described would be a good match for a normal iPad.

But for a device labeled pro, it should be a bit more than a one-two trick pony and keep the jack, especially one of the very few pro fields the iPad is used is the audio segment and there the jack is more than welcomed. Apple managed to pi$$ off their pro customers in the desktop market, irritated quite a few with their latest MBP, so it seems they are quite on track with their iPads, too.
 
Personally, I don't think the 3.5mm jack will be removed from the iPad Pros. There's really no compelling reason to do so (there's no lack of space, and no waterproofing really needed). The USB-C thing is even more unlikely. Look at the reception of the USB-C only Macs. Not good. Meanwhile, iPads have already an ecosystem around lightning. Dropping that for USB-C would not be wise.
 
Parts removed by removing the headphone jack include: the jack itself, ribbon cables, the DAC, and any power modulating components for the DAC, plus design time to incorporate these components. I'm sure all of it was removed to increase the profit margin of the product, because the price will remain the same or go up, while the cost to manufacture goes down. Tim Cook's Apple is certainly good for business and shareholders!

I just wish for an additional USB-C port. This would make the iPad Pro much more like a laptop. One USB-C is certainly a welcome addition.
 
Just because you think you need wired headphones on an ipad doesn't mean you're right. if Apple is removing the headphone jack it's because you don't need a headphone jack.

What a stupid statement! Apple is now the authority on audio. They are a gadget company now, even their iPhones are fantastic gadgets.

"We don't need no thought control" - especially by Apple.
 
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Next they are going to remove the speakers

Why it’s so hard to release two models, one with and another without this, and let customers decide which one it’s better

Guess the first trillion dollar company would go bankrupt if they did that
 
No really, no. For many people, high-quality wireless does exist right now. For the ones who are so attached to the past is another matter.

Lol, I’ve never heard of “conditional existence”...
Pretty sure that things either exist or not- they don’t exist “for many people”.

For the record- I don’t mind at all using an adapter for my headphones, as I’m not interested in the trade-offs currently in wireless (less an issue of sound quality in my case, than added bulk in over the ear sets, which are already a bit much, & the need to charge yet another device).
At any rate- I do agree that wireless provides “good enough” quality for most use cases, but remain grateful of the simple solution for those of us that may have a carefully curated collection of quality “legacy headphones”.
 
Who would want a jack where you plug in your headphones and audio comes out when you can switch to bluetooth and deal with ... having to recharge your headphones.

Silly, they have the so-magical-it-doesn't-exist-yet AirPower pad thingy for that. /s
 
Personally, I don't think the 3.5mm jack will be removed from the iPad Pros. There's really no compelling reason to do so (there's no lack of space, and no waterproofing really needed). The USB-C thing is even more unlikely. Look at the reception of the USB-C only Macs. Not good. Meanwhile, iPads have already an ecosystem around lightning. Dropping that for USB-C would not be wise.

The compelling reason is they're going to make more money by removing it. It really is that simple.
 
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I actually don't care about the Jack for myself (on my iphones I use wireless headphones) but I use iPads with my kids and I don't want to have to deal with the hassle or cost of wireless headphones for them (both elementary school age kids)

Also, both my kids have to charge their iPads regularly when using them so not having a dual option to charge and listen without extra cost dongles will be an issue.....

At least your kids have their own iPads. Most parents let the kids share their iPad, or the one family iPad. And even if you did buy them their own set of AirPods, or other BT headphones, they would not be able to share the same audio source from one iPad. So no watching movies together in the backseat on long trips, or on the airplane, in the hotel room, etc. And to add insult to injury, there is NO WAY to split the audio output of a Lightning port to allow two Lightning headphones to share the same source. So even if you bought a pair of AirPods for you and your spouse, and gave the kids your Lightning headphones from your iPhones, they wouldn't be able to use them -- even if you wanted to buy a $50 adapter, they don't make one. The ONLY way to share the audio from an iPad without a headphone jack then, would be to use the Lightning to 3.5mm adapter, a 3.5mm splitter, and two 3.5mm pair of headphones. And even then, you still need the $50 adapter to allow the iPad to charge while they watch movies, listen to music or audio books, or play games on those long trips.

Parts removed by removing the headphone jack include: the jack itself, ribbon cables, the DAC, and any power modulating components for the DAC, plus design time to incorporate these components. I'm sure all of it was removed to increase the profit margin of the product, because the price will remain the same or go up, while the cost to manufacture goes down. Tim Cook's Apple is certainly good for business and shareholders!

No. the only parts removed are the jack and cables connecting it. Everything else is needed for the built-in stereo speakers. The jack likely could easily fit in the rumored bezel space remaining, if the positioning is changed to a corner, or if the case material were thinned out just to accommodate the barrel of the jack.
 
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Next they are going to remove the speakers

Why it’s so hard to release two models, one with and another without this, and let customers decide which one it’s better

Guess the first trillion dollar company would go bankrupt if they did that

They could find out how many are willing to pay extra to get headphone jack.
 
Re-read your comments on the environment concerning e/waste.

Having a jack built-in does not require the addition of a dongle, which impacts the environment and contributes to e/waste. Materials extraction, manufacturing, packaging, shipping, etc. Misplace that dongle, rinse and repeat. Having it built-in, these are not a concern and more environmentally friend with no additional e/waste.

Wired headphones contribute more to environmental waste. Removing the headphone jack discourages the use of wired headphones.

Wireless option, once again further environmental impact/damage and more e/waste as those batteries degrade overtime and have to be recharged which uses more electricity. This is anything but green just to get rid of a cable, if you are tripping over that cable, one has bigger problems.

I've had many wired headphones fail in less than 1 year, including sports earbuds that cost more than $300. Mainly due to winding the wire up to store it away breaking the connection to one of the sides. Those broken headphones have precious magnets and materials but I end up throwing them away. The only wired headphone that survived more than 1 year was my Bose QC15, but that's because the wire is replaceable (which I did 3 times). I ended up dumping my QC15 and got the wireless version.

My AirPods are still running great after more than 1 year (and recently I've been running more than 4 miles every single day compared to 1-2 miles a week in the previous years). If the battery degrades, Apple will happily recycle and reuse the materials (especially the cobalt in the batteries).



Apple can offer their wireless solution as an option, let the user decide. Why are their being forced to choose either Lightening wires or BT. Previously the user had the choice between 3.5mm wired, Lightening wired and BT. Seems like less choice being forced on the user.

Adding choice to a product creates complexity. I'm sure you're well versed in BT vs wired headphones, but to the 7 and 70 year olds out there buying their first iOS device, it creates confusion. Wireless is obviously the future, so Apple wants to push that to the user.

Think of the humanitarian aspect for workers risking their lives to mine these materials for components that go into batteries, phones, etc. Lifespan of wired headphones is longer compared to BT. Once that battery does not hold a charge it becomes disposable flammable e/waste due to the battery, compare that to wired headphones.
Could not disagree more. See above.


Both Lightening and 3.5mm are multi-purpose, look at Square Payment that works through 3.5mm

Headphone jack is still a single purpose, transporting audio.
Square created a lighting version of their reader, and their old one still works with an adapter.

and iPod Shuffle that charges and syncs data through 3.5mm jack.
Great, but we're not talking about the iPod shuffle. and we're most definitely never going to charge/sync an iphone/ipad via headphone jack.

If Apple believes Lightening is better than 3.5mm an industrial standard, would their not want mass adoption for all professional music studio equipment. Royalty-free expedites this process and informs competitors that Apple (in this case) is serious to push and better the industry. This does not happen with proprietary ports. Intel made USB royalty-free and its adoption has become the industry standard. FW400/800 was not royalty-free, guess what is now history.

Apple doesn't believe lightning is better than 3.5mm for listening to audio. They believe wireless is better for audio. That's why they removed the 3.5mm.

One can use AirPlay/2 or HDMI to connect to an AppleTV or an external display. You have two options, its not like Apple removed the wired option in this scenario and said purchase an AppleTV.

I don't know what you're responding to with that. You mentioned something about removing the lightning port too, but I said they still need a port for HDMI to projectors.

Hence Apple offers two options to charge an iPhone wired and wireless. It is unfortunate that iPads have not adopted Qi due to technical limitations, I am sure it will happen.
I don't believe setting an iPad on a QI charging mat makes sense. It's too big and QI is too slow for the bigger iPads if not placed correctly. Imagine trying to align the QI mat at the center of the iPad. Very annoying.

Apple Pencil can utilize a similar charging option available on the Apple Watch.
Physically impossible. Pencil is too thin to have charging coils on the body. And it's not intuitive.

Some professional cameras have the ability for wireless data transfer via WiFi, BT, etc as well as host/slave modes.

I own several professional cameras. They don't transfer fast. Most pros take out the SD card because it's faster. It's also the reason why Apple upgraded their adapter to transfer files from SD faster for their iPad Pro lines.

Wires are not going away anytime soon, as wireless is still limited. There have been improvements over the years, however the limitation is battery life and recharging that cannot compete with a wired solution.

Let me be clear, wired headphones are going away. Wired iOS devices will still be here for at least the next 5 years.

Basically for a company that is advertising itself as an environmentally green proponent there is a lot of resistance towards more environmentally friendly options such as wires and Right to Repair.

Doesn't make sense. Third party repair shops dump their broken parts into the trash. Apple recycles the broken parts when repairing. It's greener. And wired headphones are not greener (see above)

This companies agenda is contradictory and questionable at best, one does not have to look far to see it. Change for the sake of change, nothing more.

Wrong. It's to improve the UX.
 
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The problem then comes when you focus exclusively on just one metric while ignoring everything else. For most people, WiFi is good enough that any additional speed increase from a wired connection isn’t worth being tethered to a desk or dealing with cables. So it makes sense to remove the Ethernet port from a laptop and offer a dongle for the minority of users who still need one.

Performance isn’t the only metric which matters to the end user. Other factors such as convenience and ease of use are also just as important, if not more, even if they can’t be readily quantified.

For example, I have gotten so used to my AirPods that I can no longer stand the feel of wires around my neck. This is because I prize portability, ease of use and comfort as much as I do sound quality.

In summary, while you are not wrong in wanting better sound quality in a pair of headphones, the fallacy lies in assuming that sound quality is the only metric which matters in a pair of headphones.

And I think where Apple excels in is knowing which areas to compromise in for their users. Or at least for me. That’s probably why their products seem to work so well for me. Maybe I am their ideal target demographic.
The issue is, with concern to the iPad, there zero reason to remove the Jack.
 
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you are 100% completely wrong.

Too many words. It's like saying "PIN Number"...you don't really need the "Number" (or in your case, the "completely" since 100% covers that).

The world has plenty of bigger environmental issues than whatever you're claiming wired headphone contribute to. Not sure what device you are posting from, but I guarantee it too is contributing to environmental issues either with it's use or manufacture. Better throw it away, now! :)
 
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Too many words. It's like saying "PIN Number"...you don't really need the "Number" (or in your case, the "completely" since 100% covers that).

I was simply showing how ridiculous it is to say that something is false and not provide any support detail as to why he was making that statement.

The world has plenty of bigger environmental issues than whatever you're claiming wired headphone contribute to. Not sure what device you are posting from, but I guarantee it too is contributing to environmental issues either with it's use or manufacture. Better throw it away, now! :)

Except, the device I'm typing on is extremely useful. Headphone adapters, however, will likely end up in the landfill or recycling plant without being used one bit by many customers. It's bad enough Apple ships 200 million+ Earpods a year, but I'd wager it gets more usage compared to headphone adapters.
 
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