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Upcoming 2018 iPad Pro Could Be 5.9mm Thick With No Headphone Jack
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USB-C was rumoured to make an appearance on the 2018 iPhone, this did not happen.
It’s difficult to say if Apple views the iPhone as an accessory to the Mac or a computer like the iPad Pro moving forward.
Actually you are alleging a pattern or customer dissatisfaction, re: the headphone jack, by apple changing standards to suit them. Therefore, you owe the forum a laundry list of items. Not one from 1998.
So it seems as if customers are satisfied based on financial metrics, is what you are really saying. I know I'm a satisfied customer, you seem not to be.
USA, more to the point, Cupertino CA, is where apple is based...a US company. You gave an example that doesn't hold here.
such a narrow point of view. This used to be (maybe many, many moons ago) an apple centric site and while many things apple are discussed...many things Samsung, OPPO, Huawei are also discussed.
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To that point, only including the 5w charger provides the same environmental benefit. Providing lightning connector earpods also lessens e-waste. Minimal packaging also contributes to a more friendly environment. If people really believe the low water mark for the environment is a dongle replacement, the mark has been missed.
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I just pulled my iPad Pro out of its case the other day for kicks. Watched some movies and did some basic stuff with it. Even before I came across this article I was thinking to myself, “this thing is thinner than is really comfortable to hold in the hand” as the size, weight and sharpness of edges make it so I’d rather put a case on it.
So dear Apple: your stuff is thin enough already. Let’s focus on other improvements as the priority now. Optimal thinness achieved!
So dear Apple: your stuff is thin enough already. Let’s focus on other improvements as the priority now. Optimal thinness achieved!
Are you proclaiming to be a self appointed MR Judge?
Since you asked here is another, m2 form factor SSD on the Retina MacBook Pro.
Apple is no stranger to proprietary I/O, 30pin connector, lightening, etc. It is subjective if someone is knowledgeable and satisfied or just uses what is in the box blindly. Their were sued by the EU for the 30pin connector and lost, how is that for dissatisfied
The illusion of wealth and market manipulation. When the FAANG are carry most of the increases of the NYSE in the last year there is a serious problem. This is not indicative of customer satisfaction rather expectation.
What, you made the vehicle comparison to the USA? Conflate much. Who cares where the Apple HQ is physically located, it is a global company that hides its cash in Ireland to not pay taxes in the USA. Their are depriving American citizens of benefits and taxes, I guess as an American you are satisfied with your quality of life being reduced, insofar Apple stays financially healthy. Responsible business practice does not extend to its finances and tax obligations I guess.
Am I a MR moderator or editor to pick and choose what stories get posted. If you have a concern bring up your grievance with Arnold Kim.
So rather than including a fast/rapid charger Apple includes a 5W charger and this provides the same environmental benefit. However if someone wants to get fast charging their have to purchase the Apple USB-C 30W charger used by the retina MB and store that 5W charger in the box. That is some logic there.
Providing no EarPods and reduce the cost of the device would be better. For example in my situation since the included EarPods don’t fit, I have to purchase a 3rd party option. So more e/waste.
Minimal packaging, it has gotten better however it is far from minimal.
If the dongle business was not lucrative to Apple along with MFi their would not remove industrial standards only for the user to purchase dongles to get the functionality back. MFi would be royality-free if Apple was serious to make it a new industry standard.
Removing things that were inclusive by externalising functionality is adding to environmental damage and e/waste.
It was reported that those 3.5mm dongles were best sellers at Best Buy as people misplace them. Does this sound like lightening wired headphones or BT is a hit. Go figure huh.
Now what does Apple gain by removing the jack from the iPad?
A tablet is a toy. It's nothing like a Mac.
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I don't think you know what " means. It's not 6.1 inches thick.
That is exactly how I feel about my iPad Pro and my iPhone 6s. Too thin to be comfortable. The phone also slides off surfaces too easily. So I put a silicone case on it. Hides all that so-called beautiful Apple design. Hah. Still too tall. And the power button is in the wrong place (opposite the volume buttons).
I don't know... did you check out other brands?
That's rich coming from someone who speaks of Apple like they've founded a religion.
Anyways, what's the benefit of removing the headphone jack?
I addressed this earlier on, before this thread ballooned up. You can try searching from pages 6 onwards. I really don’t feel like regurgitating everything all over again.
A solution to a problem Apple created. What if those EarPods do not fit the users ears? What if the user wants to charge their device and listen to audio with the dongle included prior to the Xs. Why the added cost and inconvenience to purchase additional equipment to make their perfectly good headphones compatible?
What does Apple gain by removing it? Let the user decide, wired 3.5mm/lightening or BT.
Cordless as reliable as a hard wired connection? Hah! Not in my lifetime! Maybe never. It’s so much more complicated and has so much more options for error. Hell, I can’t even enjoy uninterrupted music in the car with the phone right under the dash. It refuses to connect, re-connects in a configuration I don’t want, disconnects, skips, shifts pitch...
Not to mention that wireless everything isn’t sustainable as a technology goal. There’s just not enough bandwidth. ISPs and phone companies moving to wireless are doing it only because it provides them the most profit with the least hardware to maintain. They are confused about their business. They think they’re in the contract-sales business.
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On the topic of MFI certification for lightning, it’s worth noting that part of that cost includes Apple sending the company the components necessary to manufacture the lightning accessories. So Apple most certainly can’t just give it away for free, and the company is getting more than just a rubber stamp.
On the topic of MFI certification for lightning, it’s worth noting that part of that cost includes Apple sending the company the components necessary to manufacture the lightning accessories. So Apple most certainly can’t just give it away for free, and the company is getting more than just a rubber stamp.
So proprietary, if Intel created USB and can give it away royalty-free, why can’t Apple?
This proprietary nonsense has to stop, too many competing standards. Apple has proven that one can send power and data over 3.5mm that was included in the iPod shuffle. I am just not sure if the charging speed is limited to USB 2 standard.
Once again a problem created by Apple who has a proprietary and expensive solution.
Adopt the industry standard USB-C as you have on the MB/P line and stick with it if it is the future. If it is not a durable connect then why adopt it in the Mac lineup. Apple really has to makeup their minds on USB-C and lightening. This split personality nonsense is frustrating the vocal group. Limiting data transfer speed on the present USB 3, why are their playing games?
If you were an Apple user in the early to mid 90’s this same nonsense was played with RAM DIMMs.
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Apple is coming across like a two trick pony (thinness and oh so light). Who are these straw armed individuals that believe the present iPad Pro is heavy. The iPad Mini is perfect in every way, lets discontinue it, why? Just update it.
Flash was flawed to begin with, it was a resource hog and had security breaches every second day. I am happy it was killed off. Steve Jobs had that part right, however some claim there was a feud between Apple and Adobe relating to flash and Steve had a fit and said, screw you Adobe. HTML5 was no where ready for prime, it was a promising tech however unable to complete with the mature and established Flash. Apple gave it a chance. Another reason why Steve did not include support for Flash on the original iPhone, was it being a resource and battery hog the user experience would have suffered.
How does this analogy compare to remove a optimized and not a resource hog that is 3.5mm jack compared to the BT that requires a battery, usage time is limited and life cycle is limited is beyond me. If anything I would consider BT to be Flash and 3.5mm to be HTML5.
Please provide an example where BT is better than 3.5mm and lets omit the obvious wire and wireless argument, as this is subjective. I have never had an issue with wires and if it was such a big deal people have been using it for decades without a problem.
The long game of Apple is more like a long con on the user, where the option of affordability and convenience had been taken away in favour of a limited and incomparable option. Unless you believe that the music studios are going to adopt BT, I would like to see some evidence in the wild.
If Apple believes in their vision and their want people onboard, then the market should speak and make a decision not Apple. I get what you are saying, however their are not going about it in a diplomatic method. For a company as large as Apple, their actions hold weight in the industry.
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What is shameful is that Apple has exclusive rights to use liquidMetal (for 8 years if not longer I believe) and has yet to do so in a major product like the iPhone. This material allows radio signals to pass without impending its strength. It is superior to the glass back of the iPhone models of late and far more durable and light.
I guess having the rear glass crack or break is far more profitable.
We get good things in life because companies are able to innovate outside of the constraints of standards.
We got lightning in the age of micro USB, which was a very good thing for consumers given how poor micro USB is as a connector. Don’t forget -Apple users got to enjoy lightning for a whole 3 years before there was ever a device with a USB-C connector.
If anything, it’s the standards that are stopping things being ‘great’ as USB-C has taken so long to get to market and has had compatibility problems along the way. Both of which have been worse for customers in comparison to what Apple has been doing.
With lightning, because it’s a standard Apple controls, I am assured of a minimum level of quality. There are perks to being in the walled garden.
Not likely. IPad benefits from using a desktop standard as its being positioned as a computer replacement. It has to compete with the surface, and be compatible with the Mac.
The iPhone does not. The iPhone needs to be sealed up tighter than a drum, and interface with the outside world wirelessly. I’d expect a SmartConnector which will allow an iPhone to have a physical connection if needed, and Lightning to be sealed up, replaced with nothing. Lightning will stay until wireless standards can replace it for all practical purposes and the charging coil can do fast charging. There’s to large an investment worldwide in Lightning cables and accessories to switch it over, when the iPhone likely won’t have any port in a couple of years.
I do some "Pro" stuff (as some people like to call it) on my iPad. I do a lot of photo editing using Lightroom and Pixelmator, but also video editing using Luma Fusion which is quite a powerful app for the iPad and as close as you would get to Final Cut Pro on an iPad. And even though my iPad pro has the 3.5mm thingy, I have never ever used since I bought it and I don't intend to. I am done with the wired one and not going back. I have MacBook Pro at home for even heavier stuff. My iPad Pro is for doing things on a fly, it's a portable device that saves me from carrying a Mac with me while travelling and serves that purpose and lot more perfectly.
But of course, I do realize, as with every major change Apple does to their products, over here we will get the "visionary" ones predicting how the thing is gonna fail, no one is gonna buy it and all that drama stuff we are all used to by now. And we all know how it ends, right?
And another thing, time to face that 3.5mm headphone jack is literally DEAD on a mobile device. Not a single heartbeat on it. Caput!! And it ain't gonna be resurrected! Never! Time to move on.
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Stationary device? I thought we were discussing the iPad.
I don't know... did you check out other brands?
That's rich coming from someone who speaks of Apple like they've founded a religion.
Anyways, what's the benefit of removing the headphone jack?
The likely benefit is having a device of that thickness and weight, with minimal bezels. If that is the trade off, then personally I'm all for it.
With the next future devices like AR glass, the headphone jack is useless... in 20 years we will all have apple watch as the brain like iphone is now, and AR glass for the display interface....in 20 years we will probably have high quality wireless headphones also
So only old brain people will still need headphone jack
So only old brain people will still need headphone jack