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So why did Apple use bezels on all previous iPad models? They are there so that one can hold the device. Did something change this year? Did human hands all of sudden got larger so that we can now hold the tablet the same way we hold the phones? I just checked my own hands - they are the same size as they were in 2010.

Also, while rounded case corners make sense for the phones (because of the way people hold the phones) it's not the case for the tablets. Square tablets would work just fine (rounded ones are slightly better but not at the expense of cutting the screen).

Hey you’re preaching to the choir. I don’t want any bezel reduction either.
 
Why do we need rounded corners on a tablet? If the case is square then rounded corners seems like poor design. I can understand on the iPhone the rounded corners because it is a small screen platform in a phone body that is intended to slip into a pocket or purse without snagging up on anything but for a tablet, especially a 10"+ pro tablet, rounded screen corners, "just because" is stupid, period.
I challenge you to find any modern portable device whose case doesn’t have rounded corners.
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So why did Apple use bezels on all previous iPad models? They are there so that one can hold the device.
So why did Apple use bezels on all previous iPhone models? They are there so that one can hold the device.
So why did Apple use bezels on all previous laptop models? They are there so that one can hold the device.

Really? All iPhones prior only had bezels so we can hold the device? So why doesn’t the iPhone X doesn’t need them anymore? And all laptops have bezels so we can hold them?

Or isn’t it just about possible that technological progress is making it possible to reduce bezel size?
Also, while rounded case corners make sense for the phones (because of the way people hold the phones) it's not the case for the tablets. Square tablets would work just fine (rounded ones are slightly better but not at the expense of cutting the screen).
Sure, except that essentially all portable devices had rounded corners since a very long time. People hold tablets by resting them via their corners in their hands all the time.
  1. Cases need to to have rounded corners (and basically always had them).
  2. Reducing the bezels is a good thing if accidental input can be kept low enough (see 10.5” iPad and iPhone X).
  3. If technical constraints then mean rounded display corners, almost nobody will complain (are iPhone X users up in arms about it?).
  4. Rounded display corners are as much an aesthetic choice as a technical requirement (see rounded ‘display’ corners of QuickTime on the Mac, I have not seen you complain about that one, there is a good chance you haven’t even noticed it yet).
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Of course, they'll still measure the diagonal into the missing piece of the corner. :rolleyes:
Why would they? They are not doing so with iPhone X (5.8” is the actual diagonal of the visible part of the screen, 5.85” would be the diagonal if the corners weren’t rounded).
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What's next? iMacs taking inspiration from the X? Monitors with rounded corners?
How about Mac apps showing content with rounded corners? Have a look at QuickTime.
 
The recent bump in iPad sales was due to release of the cheap version. It does not change the trend.
Sure, and Tesla’s sales “only” increased because they have released the cheaper Model 3. That does not change the trend.
 



Apple's upcoming 2018 iPad Pro models may feature a display with rounded corners like the iPhone X according to an image asset for the new devices found by 9to5Mac's Guilherme Rambo in the most recent beta update.

The asset in question, which appears to be for new iPad Pro models, is used as a mask to create rounded corners of UI elements and it features the same rounded corners that we've seen in the iPhone X. The J3xx name suggests a 2018 iPad model and it's a reference that's been found in other parts of the iOS 12 code in relation to new iPad Pro models.

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Rambo set up a modified device in the iOS Simulator to demonstrate that iOS 12 on an iPad can handle rounded corners, with a demonstrative image of what Split View multitasking might look like on a tablet with rounded corners.

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Previous rumors have suggested Apple is planning a major design overhaul for the 2018 iPad Pros, doing away with the Home button, introducing slimmer bezels, and adopting a TrueDepth camera system for Face ID.

Given the similarities between the design described in rumors and the iPhone X, it makes sense that Apple would also introduce a rounded corner design in the iPad Pro. Current iPad Pro models do not use rounded corners for the display.

There's no word on when Apple plans to introduce its updated iPad Pro models, but the new tablets could perhaps come in September alongside new iPhones. Apple could also choose to introduce them at a separate iPad and Mac-focused event as it has done in past years.

Article Link: Upcoming iPad Pro Models Could Feature Rounded Display Corners
This improvement is awesome. But it would be nice if the iPad Pro has a calling capability like an iPhone. After all, iPhone is a mini iPad with some iPad deficiencies and an iPad is a large iPhone with some extras :D:D:D
 
There was never any question about this, amongst fans or within Apple. It was always going to have rounded corners, I said this last year and all your reporting on it has always rightfully assumed it would. The title of this article is ridiculous.
 
It's not a perfect analogy, I know... hence the "quotation" marks. Basically I mean something like the hardware fades away into the user experience better than on the older model iPhones. I think that it's subtle and complex, though (as with all UX issues), because it's not obvious to me that a desktop/laptop with rounded edges on the screen would create the same effect.

See. That’s understandable.
 
Not sure what you are showing me. It brings me to a link trying to sell me something.
Sorry about that. It does it for me now too. It's an interactive graph showing iPad sales from 2010 to Q3 2018, which confirms YoY growth for the last five quarters.
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Apple is insanely successful, but hey, let’s ask them to stop doing what made them successful in the first place.
And you think that rounded corners will help Apple succeed in a declining, saturated smart phone market?

Yes, it's been the iPhone which has kept Apple so "insanely successful" in recent years. But new products need to be introduced now to keep that revenue flowing. And what are those new Apple products? How long will Apple continue to be a trillion dollar company with its existing product set?
 
Stupid. Rounded corners may look ‘friendly’ but aren’t worth the drawback of cutting off the cornered edges from content. Why is anyone even celebrating this? Why are we all of a sudden going back to the 90s? The whole point of flat displays was we finally had the display become rectangular for movie watching and other content. Why are we going back? I hate this whole trend of 18:9 aspect ratios, ugly notches, and now this... it is a big step backwards to what we already had before with 16:9 displays that had no hidoeus notches with flat corners that you can watch videos full screen on with no annoying disruptions. It isn’t worth it for some stupid full screen design just to please the small minority omg-them-thick-ugly-bezels whingers on the internet. Will you all be praising the MacBooks if they eventually go the same way? If not then we will have rectangular screen Macs and rounded screen iDevices.
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We don”t “need” them, but they are here:

1. To maintain a specific design language that makes iOS devices unique - they always had rounded corners, that was always their thing and now, the screen goes all the way to this corners, so the screen has rounded corners too.

2. Because they look ****ing cool.
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The curved edges on Samsung’s Galaxy line also looking ****ing cool to many but that doesn’t mean it isn’t stupid with more drawbacks than benefits. If rounded corners were so “cool” then Jobs would’ve had round corners in displays from the get-go. But he didn’t, only when Macs were limited to CRT’s but once flat screens became the norm he stuck with them for 10+ years and there’s a reason for that. One of the main ones probably being that they don’t cut off the damn corners for stupid aesthetic reasons like “it looks cool”. Every single product with a display released under Jobs from 2001-2011 had a rectangular display. The rounded corners looking more pleasing to the eye were to do with the software, that’s what he meant, not the hardare (display).
 
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Yes, it's been the iPhone which has kept Apple so "insanely successful" in recent years. But new products need to be introduced now to keep that revenue flowing. And what are those new Apple products? How long will Apple continue to be a trillion dollar company with its existing product set?
It’s almost like Apple is working on a series of new products that they haven’t said a word about yet, because Apple (with very few exceptions) doesn’t talk about future products.

Its massive uptick in R&D spending since 2014 reflects this, too. For the past 3 years, including this year, they have spent a higher percentage of their revenue on R&D than any year since 2003:
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(Pending fourth quarter results, 2018’s percentage will likely prove to be a bit higher than shown here.) In other words, especially considering how much their revenue has grown since then, they’re working on something big.
 
We knew this since the X was announced. Not a surprise it will take inspiration from the X.
We even knew it prior to the iPhone X being announced, roughly around the time of the 10.5” iPad announcement.
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Stupid. Rounded corners may look ‘friendly’ but aren’t worth the drawback of cutting off the cornered edges from content. Why is anyone even celebrating this? Why are we all of a sudden going back to the 90s? The whole point of flat displays was we finally had the display become rectangular for movie watching and other content. Why are we going back? I hate this whole trend of 18:9 aspect ratios, ugly notches, and now this... it is a big step backwards to what we already had before with 16:9 displays that had no hidoeus notches with flat corners that you can watch videos full screen on with no annoying disruptions. It isn’t worth it for some stupid full screen design just to please the small minority omg-them-thick-ugly-bezels whingers on the internet. Will you all be praising the MacBooks if they eventually go the same way? If not then we will have rectangular screen Macs and rounded screen iDevices.
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The curved edges on Samsung’s Galaxy line also looking ****ing cool to many but that doesn’t mean it isn’t stupid with more drawbacks than benefits. If rounded corners were so “cool” then Jobs would’ve had round corners in displays from the get-go. But he didn’t, only when Macs were limited to CRT’s but once flat screens became the norm he stuck with them for 10+ years and there’s a reason for that. One of the main ones probably being that they don’t cut off the damn corners for stupid aesthetic reasons like “it looks cool”. Every single product with a display released under Jobs from 2001-2011 had a rectangular display. The rounded corners looking more pleasing to the eye were to do with the software, that’s what he meant, not the hardare (display).
But they aren’t, the change in aspect ratio compensates for it so you end up with more space for content. Not to mention that it doesn’t cut off any video content on an iPad, and even when expanding the video to fill the display, the curved corners aren’t as impactful on the content compared to an iPhone. And even on the iPhone they aren’t that bad, it’s the notch that is a barrier for content.
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Still a question as to whether Face ID will work in landscape orientation. If it doesn’t no new iPad for me.
It will.
 
Stupid. Rounded corners may look ‘friendly’ but aren’t worth the drawback of cutting off the cornered edges from content. Why is anyone even celebrating this?

Because not everyone is cynical, bitter and negative about something that really doesn’t affect anyone in practical terms, but is, instead, reinforcing the brand, recognizability and style of the device, adding to the satisfaction of using it. It’s a joyful thing, don’t try to understand.

Btw, the only reason Jobs didn’t have it on an iPad is because it was not possible to do it then.
 
It’s almost like Apple is working on a series of new products that they haven’t said a word about yet, because Apple (with very few exceptions) doesn’t talk about future products.

Its massive uptick in R&D spending since 2014 reflects this, too. For the past 3 years, including this year, they have spent a higher percentage of their revenue on R&D than any year since 2003:View attachment 774662

(Pending fourth quarter results, 2018’s percentage will likely prove to be a bit higher than shown here.) In other words, especially considering how much their revenue has grown since then, they’re working on something big.
"Beyond iPhone, Apple is investing heavily in augmented reality. The company's efforts have so far been limited to iOS and ARKit, which recently received a few new features with the release of version 1.5 in iOS 11.3, but rumblings suggest big plans for the technology.

Apple is reportedly hard at work on an AR headset referred to internally as "T288." Little is known about the device, but a report last week claims current plans involve two 8K displays — one for each eye — a separate computing unit and integration with advanced communication technologies like WiGig 2.0 or 802.11ay.

The company is also moving ahead with its autonomous vehicle platform built from the remnants of "Project Titan." Currently being evaluated on California roads by what is thought to be a fleet of 45 vehicles, Apple's initiative is believed to encompass self-driving software and supporting hardware for use in third-party cars.

Other investments could include development of cutting edge health-monitoring components like a glucose sensor for Apple Watch, next-generation AirPods, a smaller HomePod speaker, branded high-end headphones and more."


From https://appleinsider.com/articles/1...s-to-grow-in-lockstep-with-iphone-ar-projects

I don't see any iphone-like gangbuster products in this. Of course, services is growing, too. All those iPhone leases add up and create a continuing annuity.
 
And you think that rounded corners will help Apple succeed in a declining, saturated smart phone market?

In a sense. All this is a result of Apple’s design-led product culture, which is precisely what made it so successful in the first place.

Yes, it's been the iPhone which has kept Apple so "insanely successful" in recent years. But new products need to be introduced now to keep that revenue flowing. And what are those new Apple products? How long will Apple continue to be a trillion dollar company with its existing product set?

Wearables, obviously. The Apple Watch is clearly the successor to the iPhone.

Then there is AR, with the rumoured AR glasses.

Health. Possibly a line of health tracking wearables connecting to the watch.

Self-driving cars.

And these are just the ones we know about.

Apple has introduced several new products after the iPhone and is slowly transitioning to post-iPhone. Or what did you think Apple has been doing all this while?
 
I don't see any iphone-like gangbuster products in this.
There will never be an iphone-like gangbuster product ever again. It was lightning in a bottle, filling a universal need. There are a limited amount of truly universal needs. Apart from life sustentation, transport and communication are really the only ones.
 
Then you’re not paying attention.
I think I’ll clarify this. Looking very long-term, the iPhone is not forever, and Apple is deeply invested in being the one to come up with the products that will replace it. The company’s long-term survival depends on it.

And so while Apple’s current R&D efforts seem somewhat disjointed ranging from an AR headset to autonomous driving software and almost certainly some stuff we’ve not yet heard about, the long-term goal isn’t to make the iPhone more essential than it is today.

It’s to cannibalize it, just like the iPhone cannibalized the iPod…to enormous financial success. The most sensible path to get there is by supplanting what are currently endpoints of the iPhone experience with standalone devices: CarPlay, ARKit, the Watch, and so on.

It’s going to take some time to get there, but I’d say we’ll start seeing some developments along these lines over the next few years.
 
Golly. Between rounded corners and new emojis, Apple users must be thrilled! Big news here. I wonder how much r&d dollars Apple spent on those corners and the new poo emojis! Nice. Great time to be stuck in the Apple ecosystem.
 
Golly. Between rounded corners and new emojis, Apple users must be thrilled! Big news here. I wonder how much r&d dollars Apple spent on those corners and the new poo emojis! Nice. Great time to be stuck in the Apple ecosystem.
Why be stuck? Find a better tablet and buy it, problem solved.

Oh wait, problem... there is no better tablet—at any price. Along with Apple Watch and AirPods, Cook nails it. With not a dollar of “Apple tax” in sight. (I’d add HomePod and iMac Pro in there too but then there’s a little room for debate, I suppose.)
 
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Not the hugest fan of rounded corners. Wasn't with the iPhone X, and am not here. But so it goes. I wonder what this all says about possible display resolutions on the newer models and sizes.

Especially curious as I was under the impression that the 12.9" display wasn't changing but the current 10.5" would be changing to a 11". I guess that makes sense as the smaller sized iPad Pro has, thus far, been a differently sized model with each release...
 
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