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When you compare the rumoured specs with what the current MBP has....it's going to be a considerable premium.

Thinking $1899 or $1999 for the base 14".
I don't know, I don't see any justification to increase the prices.

🔴 = Taken Away
🟡 = Added Back from Previous Gen
🟢 = All-New

🔴 Touch Bar
🔴 Intel Processor
🔴 Smaller Battery Capacity
🟡 HDMI
🟡 SD-card slot
🟡 MagSafe
🟢 M1X
🟢 mini-LED
🟢 120Hz

The display cost will go up, but they are sourcing from the same manufacturers as on the iPad Pros. The chip cost does have to recoup R&D, but will still likely be less on a per-unit basis than they were paying Intel. Added some ports that they had previously taken away and nixed the Touch Bar and its extra display... I am having trouble seeing how it would cost Apple any more to produce these new MBPs.
 
I'm getting the top of the line MBP 16". I am just hopeful Apple will bring a cheaper version of the XDR display.
 
I don't know, I don't see a ton of reasons to increase the prices.

🔴 = Taken Away
🟡 = Added Back from Previous Gen
🟢 = All-New

🔴 Touch Bar
🔴 Intel Processor
🔴 Smaller Battery Capacity
🟡 HDMI
🟡 SD-card slot
🟡 MagSafe
🟢 M1X
🟢 mini-LED
🟢 120Hz
Fair point!
 
I don't know, I don't see any justification to increase the prices.

🔴 = Taken Away
🟡 = Added Back from Previous Gen
🟢 = All-New

🔴 Touch Bar
🔴 Intel Processor
🔴 Smaller Battery Capacity
🟡 HDMI
🟡 SD-card slot
🟡 MagSafe
🟢 M1X
🟢 mini-LED
🟢 120Hz

The display cost will go up, but they are sourcing from the same manufacturers as on the iPad Pros. The chip cost does have to recoup R&D, but will still likely be less on a per-unit basis than they were paying Intel. Added some ports that they had previously taken away and nixed the Touch Bar and its extra display... I am having trouble seeing how it would cost Apple any more to produce these new MBPs.
I'm a little out of the loop on the macbooks but would the 14 inch be replacing the 13 inch current model? With the 13 inch starting at $1299, could they really get rid of that model for the 14 inch with a significant price increase on it?

I feel like they need a model in the that 1299 range, that seems like a sweet spot.
 
I'm a little out of the loop on the macbooks but would the 14 inch be replacing the 13 inch current model? With the 13 inch starting at $1299, could they really get rid of that model for the 14 inch with a significant price increase on it?

I feel like they need a model in the that 1299 range, that seems like a sweet spot.
Looks like the 14" MBP will be replacing the four-port 13" Intel MBP, which currently starts at $1799. 13.3" 2-port M1 MBP will likely remain at $1299. Some thoughts revolving around here that they may restructure the bottom end (MBA and 2-port MBP) next year.
 
Anything above 120hz on a mac just isnt worth it. The majority of people who want anything higher are gamers who will have a PC-based setup anyway. Not saying that there aren't mac users who require more than 120hz but for the vast majority, even pro users, it's more than fine. Just can't see any cost-effective need for Apple to make anything with a higher refresh rate panel, at least not for a long time.
That isn't exactly correct. The display refresh rate does have an effect on color correctness. If you look at Apple's high end, that is one of the reasons the XDR display has such a high refresh rate. I think they just aren't counting on the average macOS user knowing that. In addition, a faster refresh would definitely benefit people doing HDR video content and 8K content. There are reasons other than gaming to have a high-refresh display. But I get what you are saying.
 
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Anything above 120hz on a mac just isnt worth it. The majority of people who want anything higher are gamers who will have a PC-based setup anyway. Not saying that there aren't mac users who require more than 120hz but for the vast majority, even pro users, it's more than fine. Just can't see any cost-effective need for Apple to make anything with a higher refresh rate panel, at least not for a long time.
Agreed. But as I posted in another thread, it sounds like Apple wants to get more into the gaming ring with rumors or controllers, integration with Apple TV and such. I am wondering if/hoping that there is something addressed next week that opens up Apple Silicon to play PC games as well. 120 Hz seems like much more of a benefit for gaming than anything else. And the Apple gaming offerings are a rounding error to PC games.
 
No more Intel MBPs in the lineup will leave a lot of developers without an upgrade path, forcing a switch to Linux.
 
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That isn't exactly correct. The display refresh rate does have an effect on color correctness. If you look at Apple's high end, that is one of the reasons the XDR display has such a high refresh rate. I think they just aren't counting on the average macOS user knowing that. In addition, a faster refresh would definitely benefit people doing HDR video content and 8K content. There are reasons other than gaming to have a high-refresh display. But I get what you are saying.
I sit corrected from my last post. Didn't know refresh rate helped color.
 
I was ecstatic for this except I realized I spend 90% of the time using my MacBook with the lid closed and hooked up to a monitor.

Looks like either M1X Mac mini or wait for MacBook Air for me...
 
Did they make any relevant optimizations in Monterey though? That widget area for example is not even capable to run at 60fps, and mission control still strutters from time to time, how will they run stuff at 120fps?
 
I am still amazed. Test after test. My 16GB M1 MBA using FCPx DESTROYS my 24-core Gen3 Thread-Ripper with it's RTX3090 in AE when exporting H.264 1080p/30 videos. It's not even remotely close. AE is using 90% of my GPU during the export too. So, I mean, WOW? The MBA finishes the export in around 12min. Meanwhile it took AE nearly TWO-HOURS.
I see the same thing in non-optimized Lightwave renders. the M1 renders in about 1/8 the time of the maxed i9 with 32GB RAM MB Pro it replaced.
 
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😱😲😱😲😱😲😱😲

Looks like 120hz just got real. 😱😲

Mr Ross the 🐐 Young has spoken, 100% track record.

If we don't get 120hz I'm going to lose It. 😂
Looks like you are going to place an order for Macbook Pro 16" with me :).

It better not be no base model either. Expectations are set high!!
 
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I'm a little out of the loop on the macbooks but would the 14 inch be replacing the 13 inch current model? With the 13 inch starting at $1299, could they really get rid of that model for the 14 inch with a significant price increase on it?

The 14" MacBook Pro will be replacing the 13.3" 4-port Intel MacBook Pro which starts at $1799. And the Intel model has an i5 at the price - the i7 BTO upgrade is $200. So even if the 14" starts at $1999 (which one rumor said it could), it would offer far more performance than the i7 Intel MBP (CPU and especially GPU) with a much nicer screen at the same $1999 price.

I feel like they need a model in the that 1299 range, that seems like a sweet spot.

That will be the 2022 MacBook Air with the "M2".
 
I am still amazed. Test after test. My 16GB M1 MBA using FCPx DESTROYS my 24-core Gen3 Thread-Ripper with it's RTX3090 in AE when exporting H.264 1080p/30 videos. It's not even remotely close. AE is using 90% of my GPU during the export too. So, I mean, WOW? The MBA finishes the export in around 12min. Meanwhile it took AE nearly TWO-HOURS.
Are they even using the same encoding settings? Use ffmpeg to do a proper comparison
 
No more Intel MBPs in the lineup will leave a lot of developers without an upgrade path, forcing a switch to Linux.

yap, i don't really care about those 120hz, mini-leds or hdmi but i need the virtualization capabilities of those x86 platforms... the m1s and m2s can be as fast as lightspeed but if i can't do my job with them and earn my money anymore, they're just a brick of stone on my table without much use.

i got to admit, though, that apple has done a great job with their new processors, however, the lack of compatibility is not working for me as of now. as long as you live in apples own ecosystem you're fine but apart from there, you're somewhat lost.

anyways... since my good ol' 2016 mbp is old enough for a referesh, i'm kinda happy that i still got to order one of those 2019 / 2020 refereshed mbp's, 32gb, 5600m's. i'm save for the next couple of years regarding my workload.

but, if i'm not able to virtualize esxi, windows desktop / server os, every bsd available out there et al. and develop as right now in 2025 with a mbp that's available then, i will need to switch platforms, too - after using 15 years of apple's mobile systems.

kinda sad. but each usecase differs, i guess.
 
Looks like you are going to place an order for Macbook Pro 16" with me :).

It better not be no base model either. Expectations are set high!!
😂

It's ABSOLUTELY going to be the base model, don't need any more than that 😂 main reason I'm looking at the 16" is for the larger 120hz buttery media consumption beast of a machine.
 
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