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There will be at least 1 person who will report it on the net before you can even think about upgrading, also in a business environment you don't upgrade instantly, you see the outcomes and test it on a test machine. And Im confident enough that it WILL continue to work.
So you are saying Apple should axe the Mac Pro all together, and release a Dual Xeon iMac Pro?
An i7 blows the iMac out of the water when it comes to performance, you can also stick in much better graphics for little cost (like I have done), and as you can see with benchmarks above its on par with the Quad Core Mac pros.
I personally prefer all drives in one box, current I have 4 hard drives, so I would need either 3x external cases, which in turn have 3x power bricks and 3x FireWire 800 connections, which you would have to daisy chain, but this would also lower the speed that the hard drives can be accessed.
Alternatively you can get one of those Network hard drive centres to store all 3 hard drives, but over a network its a tad slow and not great for booting from (2nd hard drive of mine has windows installed).
With the two monitors thing, I was once at a company where if you wanted dual screens, the screens had to be identical because it can apparently cause eye strain. Either way I prefer having identical monitors.
Maybe you're right, but at least in Australia the new Pros have increased in price way more than PCs, which continue to fall in price.
Well the PC hardware is just as good as the mac hardware, its all the same crap from China, so really its just the Hacking of the software that's the issue, and I'd be confident enough that It does work (since it obviously does) and I am personally technically capable of making it work, and I did say "I would" not "I recommend it to an artsy person who knows nothing about computers". If you want hardware warranty from the same place, an i7 Dell would do the trick.
For a large business with many computers, or maybe a University/School with lets say a lab of 24, who have test machines and IT people on hand.
24x AU$4,499 for a lab of low end basic Mac Pros: AU$107,976
24x AU$2,000 for a beefed up i7 Hackintosh (inc OS X license): AU$48,000
That's a saving of AU$59,976!
Sad, isn't it?
I know. They really need to get it together, don't they?
they spend hundreds of thousands of dollars trying to find out what the MAJORITY think, which in this case would be 'n00by' users - you know, the people that like the look of things and all that rather then the power of it. sure other factors come into it, but apples an innovation company not a power (CPU grunt power) type of company.
yea it pretty much is, and i scold them for it.. but they are doing what the majority wants..
thats a sad story.. most people drive that distance everyday to go to work, or to get an education (like me).
at least u get the repairs for free, they should rebate you fuel haha.
burt - most users are n00bies. its expandible in their eyes (HD + RAM= yay to them)
while i will admit to everything you just said there, you need to know that apple doesnt roll like that! how did they get to where they are now?? by NOT going with the flow and the norms of what we expect..
to begin -- its only dual core (a fast one but
). i dont actually think you know apples line up at all, give apple.com another look..
your point??
Looking at those results, I'm glad I plumped for the older 8x2.8 machine, not only is it cheaper by a considerable margin, it's not too far behind in benchmarks of the new 8x2.26 machine.
New 4x2.66 = £1900, New 8x2.26 = £2500
My New 8x2.8 = £1550.
I then upgraded to 8GB RAM, and an 8800GT, which only cost £250, bringing the total to £1800, as I already have a 1TB HDD to add in from my old PC.
I'll run cinebench on my system to get some performance numbers from it, but for me the new Mac Pros just don't offer good value for money.
I do understand that the value of sterling has dropped, but not all that much against the dollar (1.395 at the moment, and it has been down to the 1.40ish mark before..), and the component costs are actually cheaper for the new Macs (read any number of existing threads for that - I don't need to post all the numbers yet again..), so I don't understand the massive price-hike..
Where can you get that last generation Mac Pro 2.8 Ghz model for only £1550 ?????
Handbrake
Does anybody know what the stars would be for ripping a DVD on handbrake using the dual quad 2.26?
On my quad 3ghz mac pro I was getting about 70 frames a second. What could I excepect? I saw 277 fps somewhere earlier but I'd like to know for sure.
Thanks
Does anybody know what the stars would be for ripping a DVD on handbrake using the dual quad 2.26?
On my quad 3ghz mac pro I was getting about 70 frames a second. What could I excepect? I saw 277 fps somewhere earlier but I'd like to know for sure.
Thanks
I'm trying to find this out as well - trying to decide between getting a Quad 2.66 or paying the extra for the 8-Core.
Just received the mac pro
If anyone has question or want me to do some custom tests, well, i'm here posting from the new pro, my specs are:
2 x 2,66ghz nehalem
16 gb ram
2tb hard
radeon hd graphic card.
Let me know
If anyone has question or want me to do some custom tests, well, i'm here posting from the new pro, my specs are:
2 x 2,66ghz nehalem
16 gb ram
2tb hard
radeon hd graphic card.
Let me know
Or, to look at it another way, well and truly enough to hire someone solely to keep the Hackintoshes running.
Tesselator said:
They're not that stupid. Any social scientist with even one working neuron in their head knows a control group is needed. n00b group-think is handed to them by the over-vocal and those who actually know what they're doing and what they want (stress the later). They also operate within a design theme at the same time. This is pretty standard stuff. Apple would have to be full of nincompoops not to also do so themselves.
hahaha nincompoops, havent heard that word for a while!!
well apple must be stupid with zero neurons, because i see a lot of people complaining - either that or the majority of users are low power, 'i want a really good looking computer' type people.. its either your way or mine
hahaha nincompoops, havent heard that word for a while!!
well apple must be stupid with zero neurons, because i see a lot of people complaining - either that or the majority of users are low power, 'i want a really good looking computer' type people.. its either your way or mine
I dunno. There are 3rd & 4th options too:
3. They let greed get the better of them. Or they're actually facing some financial trouble we're not aware of and need to soak us because of it.
4. They f__ed up. They thought they could get away with comparing the new ones with the faster clocked higher priced older ones and therefrom would we simply forget how the market works and accept massive price-hikes.
I'm guessing it's No. 4.
I dunno. There are 3rd & 4th options too:
3. They let greed get the better of them. Or they're actually facing some financial trouble we're not aware of and need to soak us because of it.
4. They f__ed up. They thought they could get away with comparing the new ones with the faster more expensive older ones and therefrom would we simply forget how the market works and accept massive price-hikes.
I'm guessing it's No. 4.
number 3 should be 3 and 4, number 4 should be 5... silly!!
i guess we will never really know what is happening..maybe in 10 years time
Jobs Jr. --"hey everybody, remember the iMacs? *everybody nods* well yea, the reason we bought out so many versions at such high prices was because..."
but yea.. anyway
thats odd, i dont remember Gates working for apple
he does own half of them but, so maybe thats it!
thats odd, i dont remember Gates working for apple
he does own half of them but, so maybe thats it!
Touché !
But from what I've been told MS hasn't owned an interest in Apple for 8 or 9 years now.
Report: Ballmer dishes on Apple
Ballmer: "Paying an extra $500 for a computer in this environment - same piece of hardware - paying $500 more to get a logo on it? I think that's a more challenging proposition for the average person than it used to be."
Spoken like a non-shareholder.
oh really?? i never knew that.. blasted M$ 'followers' have been using this against me for years!!! theyll get a talking too
yes it does doesnt it, he mustnt have tried out the OS - the ones he's making arent that crash hot
Yeah, apparently there was some kind of bail-out agreement between the two. When Apple got back up on their feet they bought back all the holdings. And the last of it was in like 1999 or 2000. I was making the same mistake in another thread here and 2 or 3 kindly gentlemen here informed me of the actual details.
It was about the time the 09 macs released if you wanna search for it.
oh wow, microsoft clearly doesnt know quality when they see it
hopefully it will come back to haunt them!!ill have a search for the thread
thanks(*engage stalker mode*)
With all the uproar over the new Mac Pro, I'm surprised there hasn't been more discussion about the EFI-X unit. I just priced out what is basically a headless iMac (2.8Ghz Core 2 Duo, 4GB RAM, 2 1.5TB hard drives, 8800GT) for $1050, including the EFI-X unit and a retail OSX disk. No hacking, no waiting for some online "community" to fix patches when a security fix comes out....it just works. You could easily do a Core i7 system for a little more, and have an amazing machine for $1300-$1400.
It wasn't a bailout in any sense of the word. It was a legal cease fire arrangement.
More information here.
At the time, Apple had something like $4 billion in cash. $150 million in that context barely qualifies as a rounding error.
Are you sure? According to Apple's 1997 10K, they claimed $508M in cash, and that was after the Microsoft deal.
One could assume that it was closer to $350M or $400M at the time of the deal with Microsoft. Not a rounding error.
(10K lists $1459M cash & equivalents, and $951M in debts - balance $508M)
We will agree to disagree then. I do believe the vast majority of Mac Pros are in the hands of developers and those who rely on their Mac Pros for a living -- designers, musicians, IT professionals, etc. Apple's target audience for the Mac Pro can justify spending the additional dollars.
The noise we are hearing about the new Mac Pros being overpriced is coming from a small minority of users who obviously can't justify spending the additional dollars. If they could, they wouldn't be complaining. For those who have issues with the price, I suggest buying a $99 ADC student membership to knock off at least 20% from the retail price. That's a significant savings. Even an educational discount will save you 10% on a Mac Pro. It's easy enough to qualify for either of these discounts.
I just configured a Mac Pro 2.93 GHz Octad w/ Radeon 4870, all other items standard, for $4,879 with the ADC student developer discount vs. $6,099 without.
If it's on top of the desk, it's possibly an "ego purchase".
Most of the time I see Windows "desktop" computers on the floor under the desk - even mini-towers and small-form-factor systems.
Often though, the humongous PowerMac G5 and Mac Pro systems are on top of the desk - like Gucci/Lexus status symbols.
One friend who remodeled his home had a special cabinet built in his office to hid the printer, network connections, file servers and other computer bits - keeping them nicely out of sight.
But his PowerMac G5 (and now octo Mac Pro) is on top of the desk...
Most of the time I see Windows "desktop" computers on the floor under the desk - even mini-towers and small-form-factor systems.
Often though, the humongous PowerMac G5 and Mac Pro systems are on top of the desk - like Gucci/Lexus status symbols.
One friend who remodeled his home had a special cabinet built in his office to hid the printer, network connections, file servers and other computer bits - keeping them nicely out of sight.
But his PowerMac G5 (and now octo Mac Pro) is on top of the desk...