well it sucks a bit, in Canada, HP offer no customization for that PC and in the US, you can change about everything.
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Updated Skylake 27" iMac this fall?
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well it sucks a bit, in Canada, HP offer no customization for that PC and in the US, you can change about everything.
I couldn't agree with you more. I love all the people in this thread criticizing the pricing. Apple computers have always and will continue to carry a premium price tag. If you cannot accept that, you shouldn't be in the market for a (brand new) mac.
It's true that you've always paid "premium" (some would call it overpriced). But normally you would have got a premium product.
If you can't realize that Apple, more and more, is f*cking with its customers. Well... Good for you
You are certainly entitled to your opinion as am I. I'm confused on your classification of premium. Unless I'm mistaken, the iMac is the only all-in-one on the market with a 5K display...
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To be fair, the 5400 RPM and fusion downgrades aren't relevant to the 27". Those are 21.5" problems. That being said, I agree it's a lackluster update, and I am really torn. I really wanted the Retina iMac before, but I wanted to wait for the second generation. Now they update it, and I almost have less desire for it. Is the sleek design, ability to use iMessage, and "comfort" of owning a mac really worth the extra $1,000 over a comparable PC? I work with audio, not video/photos, so 5k is just a bonus to me, not a requirement. The Retina 27" is only a "good deal" when you factor in the price of a 5k monitor, which I would never buy anyway.
I can't give you an honest answer for the scaling on the iMac. However, I have a 15" retina MBP, and the scaling works very well in Windows 10.
Premium is of course very subjective, but for me it's a product that performs well, has good quality, at least a descent design and, most importantly, makes you feel "yeah, this one is really nice!".
The iMac probably has the best display out there, at least for an AiO. But one good part doesn't make a great product (even thou it's something as important as the display).
There are so. many. things. that Apple could have done differently, but for some reason (*cough*greed*cough*) they decided not to.
I'm the first to say their computer is overprice but saying the iMac is not premium is nonsense.
Some facts:
- I see no plastic case here, all aluminum
- Laminated factory calibrated display
- 5k Display with 100% sRGB and 100% P3 color gamut support
- Silent computer
- Support current technologies (TB1,2, usb2-3, bluetooth4 and wifi-ac)
- SSD with 1800mbps (which is totally insane, compared to cheap SSD that gives around 200-300)
Some negative facts:
- no TB3 : well I don't even own TB1 or 2 because the peripherals are pricier..
- no usb-c support : well usb-c devices will be pricier for a couple of years and many wont be because of that.
- no usb 3.1 : same as above
- no ddr4: it's sad but at least DDr3 sodimm will be cheapier to buy. But I didn't saw any panic about former iMac using DDR3 1600mhz when 2400mhz were available. But doesn't make a big difference in performance.
- fudion drive SSD reduction : thats not great, but you can still get a 2TB or 3TB for cheap. A fusion drive is better than a normal drive. It's still a premium feature in my book.
I saw a review for the previous gen 5K 27" running Windows 10 from bootcamp that said the display and scaling looked great. It was somewhere on YouTube, which is blocked here at work, but I remember the reviewer being very pleased with it. The downside was performance, the GPU really downclocked on GPU intensive programs.
Lackluster? SSD at 2.5 times most anything out there? The latest, highest end SKylake quad core chip? 125% color gamut? A rockin update. As a filmmaker, it's perfect. If you're an audio guy, then sure, it makes sense to get something that ultimately isn't overpowered. These things are built for visual artists-- though have you seen Logic or Pro Tools on a 27" retina? Sweet.
Hmm ok thanks, maybi someone else knows how it would be using 1440p in windows 10. My big concern is using 5K only for webdesign is going to be very hard , thats why running 1440p when needed without blur or distortion would be nice.
Fair enough. I can certainly respect your point of view.
As far as what they didn't do, I would keep a few things in mind. From a manufacturing perspective, swapping internals is fairly easy to do. New ram, SSDs, processors, and GPUs don't take a whole lot of testing time and you really don't need to fundamentally change the manufacturing process. When it comes to new controllers, there will inevitable be a lot more testing involved. And even something as simple as adding a USC-C port will entail an overhaul of the manufacturing process.
I am definitely bummed that they held off on TB3/USB-C, but you have to remember that around 70% of the company is dedicated to the iPhone/iPad business (thats where the real profits are atm).
As far as pricing goes, if you can't see the value in a given Mac of any model/configuration, there isn't a whole lot that I can say that will change this. I guess I derive a certain 'non tangible' value in Mac computers. I have used Macs and PCs extensively over the past 20 years and definitely see the value. But thats just me.
I appreciate the honest and respectful conversation toydoll...
I would browse YouTube for some recent reviews. I would imagine there is someone out there in your exact position that could give you a pretty good run down.
Skylake supports both DDR3 and DDR4. However, the socket for DDR3 and DDR4 is different. So unless Apple did something to change that (like using a UniDIMM), which is highly unlikely, then we're stuck with DDR3.
I use my iMac retina in windows 8.1 at 4k res and it looks amazing. Why would you run 1440p? is it because of the windows scaling issues?
When I game at 1440p it looks amazing, I wouldn't realise it was running non native and I did have a 1440p 2012 iMac to compare it against
Not according to HP ($1999)...
http://www8.hp.com/us/en/mpc/monitors/product-detail.html?oid=7130944
For web design, you have to design and test at certain resolutions to account for your customer base. Not everyone is browsing the internet on retina capable computers. In fact most people use much lower resolution devices. So for JeroenDebruyne it is very important to be able to easily downscale the resolution.
Yes, lackluster to me. An upgrade, but not a compelling one. Skylake is nice, but without USB-C and TB3, it's almost pointless. The small increase in performance over the i7 Haswell is only a small bonus IMO.
The SSD speeds is a nice bonus, but not a killer feature for me, and I'd be happy to get normal SATA SSD speeds rather than these PCIe speeds if it meant paying less or being able to upgrade the iMac myself after purchase. I've never used an SSD, but is the 1800 MBps throughput even noticeable over a normal SSD? Plus, the drives are so damn small everything has to be stored on externals anyway, which are SATA SSD over Thunderbolt at the maximum.
I've never seen a DAW on the 27" Retina, but I'm sure it's amazing
I don't want to be rude but you need USB-C and TB3 when you NEVER even used a SSD? they were available in 1999.. I guess you won't need usb-C before 2030. If you want cheaper alternative you could take the fusion drive or the 256ssd and add an external slower one and get more bang for your $$$.
I transfer large files, quick SSD is essential to me and others. I would also agree they should offer non-premium SSD options!
have a good day.
Lackluster? Compared to what? If you are coming from the 2014 retina iMac, it's not lackluster, it's just not what you need as that was already the only thing in its class. Coming from pretty much anything else, buying this machine is a huge upgrade. But the Mac you're asking for doesn't exist and Apple isn't going to make you 1. An upgradable iMac or 2. Future proof all your ports. What they are doing, certainly with this machine, is deliver a premium computing experience. A completely different philosophy than building a traditional desktop computer.
It is clear what you are looking for is a Windows machine. And I have to say Windows 10 (and even Windows 7) are solid operating systems and of course you can get amazing hardware for them. But in OS X, I press the spacebar and get a preview of my RAW camera image. It can create thumbnails of my RAW images. In Windows, I can't. This may seem minor, but all of these refinements add up and I can work with all of my media with ease. So again, grab a Windows machine and trick it out. Once you do, you'll notice you're in the ball park of an iMac anyway. But it will be upgradable and will have whatever ports you want!