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Updated Skylake 27" iMac this fall?

Icaras said:
SSD prices actually dropped this refresh. I have the same iMac from 2012 and adding a 1TB SSD now costs $700, down from $800.

Damn, $5265, after discounts? Insane lol:eek: Are you adding RAM or something to your BTO?
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Just the 16GB option for RAM. Canadian prices and taxes are high.

My late 2012 has the fusion recall. Rather stay away from that this time. Thinking I will sit this refresh out.
 
macaximx said:
Just the 16GB option for RAM. Canadian prices and taxes are high.

My late 2012 has the fusion recall. Rather stay away from that this time. Thinking I will sit this refresh out.
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I agree. I was set on getting the new 5k iMac but unless benchmarks come out that blow me away (they won't) I'll just stick with my perfectly functioning 2013 iMac. Beside I don't need the 5k display for any professional reasons, I just want it.
 
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I'm super happy about this update. I realize it sucks that we don't get the TB3 and USB-C, but I'm practically at a point where I need to buy it regardless (even if no updates happened), so getting Skylake and all the other minor upgrades are awesome. About to buy it now, for a mere $6,539 New Zealand dollars >_< ouch:
  • 4.0GHz quad-core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost up to 4.2GHz
  • 32GB 1867MHz DDR3 SDRAM - four 8GB
  • 512GB Flash Storage
  • AMD Radeon R9 M395X with 4GB video memory
 
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macaximx said:
Just the 16GB option for RAM. Canadian prices and taxes are high.

My late 2012 has the fusion recall. Rather stay away from that this time. Thinking I will sit this refresh out.
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That's what I'm doing, (sitting out too) but not because of prices (it's actually a $100 cheaper for me this refresh from the 1TB SSD BTO that I want). I'm personally waiting for the next redesign and I'm confident that it's going to be next year's model that gets the facelift.

Also, 16GB RAM could be standard next year. Well, here's hoping anyway.
 
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grifter730 said:
I'm super happy about this update. I realize it sucks that we don't get the TB3 and USB-C, but I'm practically at a point where I need to buy it regardless (even if no updates happened), so getting Skylake and all the other minor upgrades are awesome. About to buy it now, for a mere $6,539 New Zealand dollars >_< ouch:
  • 4.0GHz quad-core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost up to 4.2GHz
  • 32GB 1867MHz DDR3 SDRAM - four 8GB
  • 512GB Flash Storage
  • AMD Radeon R9 M395X with 4GB video memory
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Nice config, I'll be doing the same but upgrading the RAM myself. Easy way to save a few hundred bucks - I feel ya on the pricing, Aussie store is a gouge too! Just get Apple's base 8GB option and buy extra RAM third party. MacRumors just confirmed New 27-Inch iMac Supports Up to 64GB of RAM as well :)
 
grifter730 said:
I'm super happy about this update. I realize it sucks that we don't get the TB3 and USB-C, but I'm practically at a point where I need to buy it regardless (even if no updates happened), so getting Skylake and all the other minor upgrades are awesome. About to buy it now, for a mere $6,539 New Zealand dollars >_< ouch:
  • 4.0GHz quad-core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost up to 4.2GHz
  • 32GB 1867MHz DDR3 SDRAM - four 8GB
  • 512GB Flash Storage
  • AMD Radeon R9 M395X with 4GB video memory
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I'd recommend you upgrade the RAM yourself as @jordanz said. Also use the Education discount if you can :)
 
For those complaining about the price of the SSD, remember that they are extremely fast PCIe SSDs. More than 3x as fast as a Samsung Evo, for example.

I think what I'll do is get the 256GB SSD, then install a slower (but still fast), larger SSD in the 2.5" bay. I hate to slice open a brand new computer, so I might end up putting it in an external enclosure for a while.

The only thing I don't like about these is the lack of Target Display mode. I don't need TB3 unless that's what's needed for target display mode. TB2 and USB3 are plenty fast. Remember when the fastest I/O we had was Firewire 800 at about 80MB/s? Apple was really slow about adopting USB3 because they wanted Intel to release Thunderbolt first.
 
bankshot said:
Interesting, thanks for the link! Everything I've read via Google seemed to suggest that DDR4 was required for 64GB with Skylake. If it turns out OWC is right (they have a very good reputation, but may not have their hands on a test machine just yet), I think this becomes a buy for me.

Normally I hang on to computers for at least 4-5 years, so the ability to upgrade to 64GB, even a few years down the line when RAM is cheaper, greatly increases its longevity. The only reason I'm even thinking of replacing my 2012 Mac mini right now is the cash back that can be had with Discover - whether 10% in store with Apple Pay or 5% online for BTO plus ~10% educational discount. Either one doubles cash back as it's in my first year with the card, so pretty great deal.

(I'm assuming I can't order BTO in store and pay with Apple Pay - which would be the ideal scenario...)
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I'm wanting to know this same information about using Apple Pay in-store for BTO iMac to get the Discover Card 10% cashback. Getting this bonus cashback requires that we use the iPhone's NFC chip to purchase in-store (so not through Apple Store app's Apple Pay), and not valid on gift cards.

Anybody know? I tried calling the store and talked to an employee but she seemed to be confused with what I was asking (which could very well have been my fault for not wording my question correctly).
 
henry72 said:
I'd recommend you upgrade the RAM yourself as @jordanz said. Also use the Education discount if you can :)
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How do you guys go about getting the education discount? I have a nephew with an edu address, but I'll also be ordering two macs!! Also he's way up north, can I still ship to my house?
 
DesertSilver said:
I'm wanting to know this same information about using Apple Pay in-store for BTO iMac to get the Discover Card 10% cashback. Getting this bonus cashback requires that we use the iPhone's NFC chip to purchase in-store (so not through Apple Store app's Apple Pay), and not valid on gift cards.

Anybody know? I tried calling the store and talked to an employee but she seemed to be confused with what I was asking (which could very well have been my fault for not wording my question correctly).
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as far as i know, BTO is only available through online store, and online store/retail store are two separate departments, you can't buy stuff from online store at a retail store. sorry
 
tokyodan said:
the 970 is more powerful than a 980Ti?
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They don't have the 4GB GTX 970 option here. It is either a 2GB GTX 960 (included in the price) or a 6GB GTX 980Ti (for another $700.00 (ouch!). Before the Skylake models came out the default was a 2GB GTX 960 or an optional a 4GB GTX980 for another $400). (1USD = 120 Yen)
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vetruvian said:
I think your confusing 'fusion drive' mechanics and 'external drive' mechanics. Hope this clarifies for you:

FOR EXTERNAL DRIVES:
You could have a thunderbolt with virtually unlimited transfer capability. It would offer you no real performance increases over a slower medium like USB2. Even the best traditional consumer hard drives only read/write around 150Mb/s. And thats if your lucky. So if your goal is to load all your media files on an external spinning hard drive, TB3 is of no concern. Even a TB spinning hard drive is a waste of money imo, as you cannot take advantage of the fast transfer speeds.

FUSION DRIVE:
This is a whole different story. As you have probably already read, the fusion drive is a software merging of two separate drives (the 128GB SSD and 1/2/3TB hard drive). The operating system as well as the most commonly accessed files are stored on the SSD, and the rest on the hard drive. OS X manages all of this in the background. Fusion drives are an excellent compromise for the average user. Massive storage, quick access to most programs, and a great price point. I bootcamp windows, so for me it is worth the money to upgrade to the 512GB SSD.
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That's really helpful. Thank you.

So the cable I use to connect an external drive is basically irrelevant as disk spinning speed is the slowest part of the chain.

Got a good understanding of the fusion drive now I think. For the sake of argument, if there is a file sitting in the non SSD portion of the fusion drive (ie one that I don't access often so hasn't been moved onto the SSD), will the speed of access to that file be the same as that of access to the same file if it were sitting on the external physical drive?

I assume from your explanation that that will be the case, but would be good to confirm.

Thank you very much again.
 
Not sure I follow your thinking...
Is there an empty 2.5" in the 27" ? There hasnt been before - or are you planning on replacing the PCIe FLASH with a SATA SSD?


m85476585 said:
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I think what I'll do is get the 256GB SSD, then install a slower (but still fast), larger SSD in the 2.5" bay. I hate to slice open a brand new computer, so I might end up putting it in an external enclosure for a while.
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Bye Bye apple!
Another lackluster highend model with default
  • 8Gb RAM
  • 5400 RPM drivers
  • Only 24Gb ssd in de default fusiondrive
  • Midrange mobile GPU, Not even à AMD Fury as optional
  • Only 2-4Gb VRAM
  • No HBM
  • No TB3
  • No USB-3.1
  • No USB-C
You stil win with your design, but Your marketing is pure Greed.
These aren't specs and prices for high end 2015 systems.
Concluding with the ridiculous high price of every minor upgrade you offer. Your pricing is just sickening.

I'm done waiting for a decent offer.
You can go away and robe other people with your shiny stuff.
Maybe you can offer 3000$ Rozegold IMac next year with a floppy drive.
 
AsprineTm said:
Bye Bye apple!
Another lackluster highend model with default
  • 8Gb RAM
  • 5400 RPM drivers
  • Only 24Gb ssd in de default fusiondrive
  • Midrange mobile GPU, Not even à AMD Fury as optional
  • Only 2-4Gb VRAM
  • No HBM
  • No TB3
  • No USB-3.1
  • No USB-C
You stil win with your design, but Your marketing is pure Greed.
These aren't specs and prices for high end 2015 systems.
Concluding with the ridiculous high price of every minor upgrade you offer. Your pricing is just sickening.

I'm done waiting for a decent offer.
You can go away and robe other people with your shiny stuff.
Maybe you can offer 3000$ Rozegold IMac next year with a floppy drive.
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And which All-in-One device do you buy instead?
 
MandiMac said:
And which All-in-One device do you buy instead?
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Their OS is the reason we continue to stick with Apple but the latest iMac prices and options are ridiculously priced if you want a decent spec. The richest company in the world can be a bit more generous to customers than this.
 
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ravinder08 said:
Their OS is the reason we continue to stick with Apple but the latest iMac prices and options are ridiculously priced if you want a decent spec. The richest company in the world can be a bit more generous to customers than this.
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Again: A 5K screen alone costs you around 2000. You're sure about "ridiculously priced"?
And Apple didn't become the richest company in the world by being generous to customers. In my view, their prices are healthy and as long more people buy the newest things than the thing before it, there's no fault in that.
 
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MandiMac said:
Again: A 5K screen alone costs you around 2000. You're sure about "ridiculously priced"?
And Apple didn't become the richest company in the world by being generous to customers. In my view, their prices are healthy and as long more people buy the newest things than the thing before it, there's no fault in that.
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Thanks for that information
 
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pjhewlett said:
That's really helpful. Thank you.

So the cable I use to connect an external drive is basically irrelevant as disk spinning speed is the slowest part of the chain.

Got a good understanding of the fusion drive now I think. For the sake of argument, if there is a file sitting in the non SSD portion of the fusion drive (ie one that I don't access often so hasn't been moved onto the SSD), will the speed of access to that file be the same as that of access to the same file if it were sitting on the external physical drive?

I assume from your explanation that that will be the case, but would be good to confirm.

Thank you very much again.
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From my understanding of the technologies, yes this would be correct. There may be a slight difference (10-20%) depending on the hardware. But at those slow speeds, it would be negligible. You really wouldn't notice a difference.
 
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