Upgrading 2013/2014 Macbook Pro SSD to M.2 NVMe

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  1. Audit13, Feb 2, 2018
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    Audit13 macrumors 68040

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    As an experiment, I used an Intel 256 GB 600p, the large green Sintech adapter, and kapton tape on an early 2015 Macbook Air.

    I booted the Air with a USB High Sierra installer, formatted the disk, and installed High Sierra. No Ubuntu/Linux disk was required.

    There is a bit more battery drain with the 600p than the OEM Apple drive but not enough for me to worry about. I have used it over the past few weeks and there have been no kernel panics during use or when opening the lid from hibernation, no problems with rebooting the machine, no problems with cold boots, and no changes to High Sierra's default settings were necessary.

    I know these are the results from an early 2015 Macbook Air but I think you will find from reading this thread that the 600p is solid replacement.
     
  2. gymboy macrumors member

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    Intel 600p would be the solid choice if you do not mind the slower read speeds. Initially I installed it in my Early 2015 MBA 13" with the Black Sintech Adapter and it worked without any issues. It is definitely one of the cheapest SSD around, easily found although not the quickest.

    Toshiba XG3/XG4 seems to be a good choice based on what @gilles_polysoft has mentioned.

    However, when using the Intel 600p, I found that it results in the draining of my battery excessively and which is why I switched out to the Samsung 960 Evo with the large green Sintech adapter and it now works without any problems too (no sleep, no restart, no deep sleep issues) after 2 weeks of usage.

    But if you want something cheap (Especially for 1TB), and fast enough and easily accessible - Intel 600p would be your best bet I'd say. But with the new Intel 760p that would make things interesting, would be quite keen to see if the 760p would work as well, as it is much faster than the 600p (not as fast as Samsung 960 Evo) and with a great price as well.
     
  3. zazaki macrumors newbie

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    Hello. I am encountering a concern. I installed a Kingston KC1000 with the black Sintech adapter (delivered with a layer of Kapton).
    I format it with Disk utility, in APFS. I started the fresh install of High Sierra from a USB key (in fact a Compact flash, but seems ok).
    The 8min High Sierra window installer runs ; then the Macbook (late 2014) restart ; black window with Apple logo and progression bar ; it runs around 5% ; then it stops & restarts to the Utilities...

    The SSD is not visible at this point ; I have to restart to have it visible in Disk Utility....

    Any idea about the problem?
     
  4. Audit13 macrumors 68040

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    @zazaki, not sure if it makes a difference but was the Macbook running High Sierra before switching to the KC1000?
     
  5. groobert macrumors newbie

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    Hi,
    Intel 760p indeed looks pretty cost-effective. The 512GB model is going for $199 on Newegg (1Tb and higher are not available yet). It is 3D TLC but reportedly better than the (more expensive, MLC) Toshiba RD400 in read speeds, although worse in write speeds.

    Compared to the 600p, it uses 64 layers of TLC instead of 32, and a new controller (SM2262), which however has "carried over most of the IP from the previous-gen SM2260 controller"

    Has anyone in the community had a chance to test it yet? Is there any reason why it shouldn't work as well as the 600p (no reboots, sleep issues etc), only faster?
     
  6. damex macrumors newbie

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    4B6QCXP7 firmwares on 960 Pro fixes the kernel panic/reboot issues I had before on my early 2015 MacBook Pro.
     
  7. zazaki macrumors newbie

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    No it was on Sierra. I hesitate to update before switching. You would think I might update the system before installing the Kingston ?
     
  8. Audit13 macrumors 68040

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    The original ssd must be inside the machine when installing high Sierra in order to update the efi bios. After updating, you can put in the Kingston and try to install Sierra.
     
  9. zazaki macrumors newbie

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    Thanks you so much for sharing this info. I will try.
     
  10. gilles_polysoft macrumors regular

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    Hi to all,

    I finished the wiring comparaison of sintech adapters : the large green (and good) one (photo courtesy of Rusgolder), and the new black one.

    the new "black" adapter doesn't wire any signal except PCIe datas and clock.
    Pins which are noticeably unconnected are, on M.2 side :
    - 52 CLRREQ (nc)
    - 50 PERST (blanked to 3V)
    - 38 DEVSLP (nc)
    from the Apple connector side :
    - 24 SSD_CLKREQ (grounded)
    - 8 SSD_RESET (nc)
    - 49 SSD_DEVSLP
    - 47 SSD_PWR_FET_EN (nc)

    All those pins were wired on the large green sintech adapter, which works well !
    And the black adapter, at least in 2013-2014 macbook pros, brings a lot of problems (reboot, etc)

    Very strange that Sintech did those changes.
    I've asked Sintech and mailed them 3 times but with absolutely no answer...
     

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  11. Batmandc macrumors newbie

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    Well, I ordered both the ST-NGFF2013 and the ST-NGFF2013-B since I needed the pentalobe screwdriver and they were different in the pictures at least, small black and big green. I really hope at least one is a big green since I will use it in a mid-2014 MBP. Otherwise, anyone who has a big green adapter to sell?
     
  12. armoured macrumors newbie

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    Thanks. How severe was the extra battery drain? Would it be worse with a larger drive?

    Unfortunately I don't see the 760p available in my market at all.

    Any experiences with the Kingston? Battery drain? Speed looks a little bit better which would be nice but not critical.

    Now I see other comments a bit worried about finding the green sintech adapter or equivalent.
     
  13. gilles_polysoft macrumors regular

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    To my knowledge, the only difference between ST-NGFF2013 and ST-NGFF2013-B is the screwdriver.

    I always orderd ST-NGFF2013 at Sintech, and those I received in july and october (2017) were the large green, "good" ones, I made another order last month and they are the "bad" black ones..

    I made all my test with the large green ones and kapton tape... that's why I always had good results.

    I think we definitely need Sintech to sell again the "large green" with the proper wirings.
    Maybe they will sell again the good adapter if anyone who has made an order and received black adapter send them back this faulty adapter and ask a refund or a replacement...
     
  14. ravic macrumors member

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    Thanks for this analysis Gilles.

    I compared the black v3 adapter details you shared with the Chinese adapters on ebay and amazon.
    They all share the same basic circuit. So i think we are screwed unless we find an adapter equivalent to the green one.
     
  15. Batmandc macrumors newbie

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    You are probably right that the only difference is the screwdrivers. But I usually order stuff from china in pairs, since I sometimes one is working and the other isn't. Saves me some time since it usually takes some time for a refund/replacement.
    It will be interesting to see which adapter that arrives in the mailbox. You are probably right in that there is no difference between the two. If it doesn't work I will ask for a refund or a new adapter.
     
  16. zazaki macrumors newbie

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    I ordered the green one recently and got the black version. I will make further test.
     
  17. kevllar, Feb 4, 2018
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    kevllar macrumors newbie

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    Just tried this with a similar setup. I have a SAM 500GB EVO not the Pro. With bigger version of Sintech Adapter. And things seem to be working great! Thanks for your post.

    Just curious if you are getting 4x or 2x NVMe speeds? Mine shows 2x.

    Getting Write speeds at about 714MB/s and Read at 775MB/s.

    Also, I didn't apply Kapton tape, yet. But so far no issues. Been running, sleeping, hibernating, rebooting for 24 hours now. No issues at all. Just thought the speeds should be a bit higher. Any ideas?
     
  18. gymboy macrumors member

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    Think you'd have to do the Kapton taping to get the 4x speed
     
  19. kevllar macrumors newbie

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    Okay thought so. Guess I'll pull the trigger on a whole roll of tape. lol Any idea what else I can do with Kapton tape?
     
  20. Marno, Feb 4, 2018
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    Marno macrumors newbie

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    This is exactly what I just did ! Hopefully they will either shift back to the old adapter or at least stop selling faulty ones.

    For others :
    I have a Macbook PRO 2015 13 inch which was on the newest bootROM even if I a under Sierra. I bought a Kingston KC1000 which is compatible with 4K format in order to stay on Sierra (and avoid high sierra for now).
    I am initially using the black thin v3 adapter from Sintech and using Caption tape of course.
    I installed the os with any problem tested the read/write speed and got PCIe 4x 2.0 compatible throughput.
    BUT then on every single reboot or wake up from sleep the laptop would completely freeze and stop there. I was forced to push the off button for 4 sec for a hard off. Every closing of the lid does the same bug/freeze (but the laptop to sleep so impossible to wake up after that).
    Note that every cold boot was working fine. I tried to clear SMC without any improvement.
    Then I tried with a v2 large green and then those 2 bugs disappeared.
    Based on the hardware setup I choosed, i wasn't expecting to have such problems and they were resolved but a green v2 adapter which tends to the conclusion that the Sintech black v3 adapter is faulty as gilles reported the changes in the wiring.

    Conclusion: I would advise everybody to wait until Sintech sells back green v2 adapter or try elsewhere in another (online) shop.
     
  21. apemaia macrumors newbie

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    Hello to all,
    I just registered because this thread is very interesting and I don't like not-upgradable macs.
    My intent is to upgrade a rMBP 2015 to 2TB to store all my photos.
    Because the adaptor is not expensive, I ordered one from Sintech, received end January. So I will tri the drive before buy... if I find one (I'm not searching for now :)
    I was disappointed to not see green color but... my adaptor is different from those (black v3) I have see in this thread.
    Here two photos:
    bottom.jpg top.jpg

    Unfortunately I have no skill and instruments to test the connections nore a disk to test (now). I will follow the forum to see if someone have some infos about this (v4?) adapter hoping it will not be faulty too.

    I'm not sure to have time to find a ssd and to test it but I will post my experiences when it will happen.

    Thanks to all the persons searching hard a solution to upgrade apple laptops.

    Andy
    --- Post Merged, Feb 4, 2018 ---
    ... mmm, sorry, I did not see RUSGOLDER images posted by Gilles yesterday. My adapter is not same as large black adapter like images on post #540 and others but the circuit board is very similar to RUSGOLDER images. I fear I will not be lucky.

    Andy
     
  22. buchacho macrumors newbie

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    Would the Intel 760p become a bottleneck for an early 2015 MBA? I want a 1TB SSD, so I am wondering if it's worth waiting for it to come out or get the Samsung 960 EVO.
     
  23. macbookssd2013 macrumors newbie

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    I've found this thread very useful and wanted to give back with my own mostly successful experience, and to ask folks for help with an issue.

    Setup/results:
    • Late 2013 Macbook Pro Retina 13"
    • Kingston KC1000 480 GB
    • ST-NGFF2013B adapter (http://eshop.sintech.cn/ngff-m2-pcie-ssd-card-as-2013-2014-2015-macbook-ssd-p-1143.html) with a single layer of Kapton tape on pins. Getting the Kapton tape right directly affected whether I got 2 PCIe lanes or 4 PCIe lanes
    • High Sierra 10.13.3, regular clean install then restore using Time Machine. Disabled hibernate with pmset command.
    • Windows 10, running in boot camp and in Parallels 13, used Clonezilla to back up and restore my existing Bootcamp/Parallels image.
    Results:
    • OS X pulls 1.3 GB/s read and 1.1 GB/s write, runs stable, no sleep or restart issues, no kernel panics.
    • Windows 10 pulls 1.5 GB/s read and 1.5 GB/s write (!), but unfortunately it's only stable running in Parallels or natively in safe mode. When running Windows 10 natively in "normal" mode, I consistently get kernel panics (CRITICAL_PROCESS_DIED) a few minutes into use, usually when opening the start menu.

    Question: what would be causing the kernel panics when running Windows 10 natively, given that Windows 10 runs fine in Parallels and natively in safe mode, and given that OS X runs fine? Windows 10 and all drivers are up to date, as is the SSD firmware. Although this seems like a driver issue, according to boot logs the same drivers for the SSD run in safe mode and normal mode. I've also tried disabling every service not used in Safe Mode, but still have the issue.
     

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  24. zazaki macrumors newbie

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    It was a real pain to install High Sierra on a Macbook Pro Retina late 2014, mainly because the installer crashed after few minutes — after restarting the computer — ; SSD wasn't recognize in Disk Utility. So this what I did before getting it works. Kind of miracle happened:
    — I found the SSD was perfectly "mounted" in target mode, from a Mac Pro.
    — VRAM & SMC initialization seems to have no effect.
    — "Option" when power on ; "ctrl" (???!!!!) on the icon of the "OSX Installer" (an virtual image copied on the SSD by the High Sierra installer on a USB storage. The installation is launched with time lapse.
    — However, after installation was the Macbook unable to boot. So again "option" ; I select the system drive (after checking on target mode the OSX system file was installed), and it runs perfectly.
    — Now it seems to boot, sleep, & works fine. But I have to test it in real life, with real application...

    Kind of strange things...
     

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  25. ravic macrumors member

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    Of the four differences between the adapters, only one seem to matter the most. That is DEVSLP or devsleep.
    Wonder if there is a way to disable triggering of this in macosx. Or connect it to SSD_PWR_FET_EN like on the large green adapter.

    I cant find what SSD_PWR_FET_EN does in any of my searches
     

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