They have stated on the website that it will work with Mac Pro's. Which means it should work with anything called a Mac Pro sold by them, which includes the Mac Pro's sold last year.
If it only works on the new models then it is false advertising!
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Upgrading old Mac Pro to 8800 GT graphics?
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They have stated on the website that it will work with Mac Pro's. Which means it should work with anything called a Mac Pro sold by them, which includes the Mac Pro's sold last year.
If it only works on the new models then it is false advertising!
I'm not sure I buy this. . .if this in FACT true. . then the same would apply to the currently shipping ATI HD 2600 XT card. . .
Can someone take one of these cards and stick it in an old Mac Pro and see if it works?
We can either wait for someone here to actually get hold of a card and try it out or we get Apple to give us a proper confirmation.
If everyone gets onto Apple about it someone might be lucky enough to get thought to someone who's on the ball and who might be able to sort out a proper confirmation.
I've got a couple of calls in with apple at the moment and waiting for a response.
If everyone gets onto Apple about it someone might be lucky enough to get thought to someone who's on the ball and who might be able to sort out a proper confirmation.
I've got a couple of calls in with apple at the moment and waiting for a response.
There's a reason for those PCI-Express expansion slots. Just drop in USB 3.0 and FW1600 expansion cards and you're set.
Apple has decided to make the video card incompatible with previous Mac Pros when there shouldn't be any reason to do so.
Ahh but I bet you USB 3 devices will still work on the old outdated Mac Pro as USB 2 devices so your point is useless. The machines were made to be upgradeable and if the X1900XT is the end of the line for video upgrades that is just unjustifiable. Hell I have an old dell and many old homebrews that support later video cards than my Mac Pro if that’s the case. Apple is sure to lose future sales if they continue along that path.
The apple clearly STATES that the card if for Macpro.
For : Macpro.
So I ordered it. It is coming in 12 days.
And I am not the only one,2 aquintices allso ordered.
At no point,at no time was there ANY indication that it requires the 08 Macpro nor Leopard. Do you need a bloody screencaps of the process? Wich I took to make sure I there will be some problems in the future..[/b]
So tell me please,you see apples modus operandi completely acceptable and lawfull?
Dude,have to say,I am happy that I dont live where you live!
On this side of the pond that action (remember,if the card does not work on 06-07 machines!) is unlawful and false marketing that the consumer protection groups will pounce on.
Mate, you really are displaying appalling ignorance, in both senses of the word. When USB 3 comes out I'll buy a card just like I'm doing now.
I doubt there are many people with mac pros willing to upgrade to a new machine at this point. 90% of MP buyers are likely coming from G5 (or earlier), or upgrading from an imac or mini.
Why would they have to have 10.4 support? It would be nice, but I don't see any reason they couldn't ship it 10.5 only as long as they make that clear to buyers.
Unfortunately it seems the 'making it clear to the consumer' is what is causing all the upset and speculation at the moment on this thread.
Assuming they're still using PCI-e by then. I can't buy an ATI x1900 for a G5 now could I even though that card came out when the Mac Pro replaced the G5.
I'm not saying it's right that it's like this. It sucks, it really does. But no amounting of bitching and moaning is going to change it. But have fun doing it.
Their website says the card should work in MP's. Once someone gets one of the cards that shipped standalone (not one swapped out of a new machine) and tries it out, we'll know.
And I was talking about 10.4 support.
Bad argument there. Releasing a card incompatible with a slightly older revision computer is totally different to making a card compatible with a totally different underlying hardware platform.
Think of it this way:
Effort needed to make the 8800GT compatible with old Mac Pro:
zilch
Effort needed to make the 8800GT incompatible with old Mac Pro:
a lot
On the other hand
Effort needed to make the MP X1900XT compatible with old G5:
a lot
Effort needed to make the MP X1900XT incompatible with old G5:
quite easy
That is very bad wording. I expect my 8800GT to work with the Mac Pro family of systems, which includes last years model. I do understand if it doesn't work with the G5 family of systems.
It seems like the problem here isn't that the card can't work, but that it could but apple may not provide support for it. Haven't people tried these cards in boot camp and they worked fine under XP? If that's the case, then apple just needs to provide driver or firmware support.
The card shipping from the UK site is a few days off, isn't it possible that they did the firmware for the newest macs first and they're still testing a different firmware version that will work in any MP? Kind of like how the OSX install dvd that ships with a machine only works with that machine, you need a generic OSX installer to install on other boxes?
I can see why cards that worked on G5 wouldn't transfer to intel since the technology is pretty different...but a version 2 of PCI shouldn't completely break compatibility with video cards, at least not cheap ones. I could see if someone shipped a crazy new high end video card that required 2.0, but this doesn't seem to be it.
On the PC side, does this card only work in PC's with the 2.0 version of PCI? I REALLY doubt that. And if it doesn't, that means it's just a driver issue on apple's side.
Can you elaborate a little more on your question?
The previous PowerPC based Power Macs used Open Firmware which made them incompatible with PC video cards in their day. The video cards themselves need to be compatible with the PowerPC logicboard and firmware.
The new Mac Pro (Early 2008) uses EFI just like the slightly older Mac Pro (2006-2007)
Just like the previous incompatibility, PowerPC video cards won't work on an Intel Mac.
There have been several users here that have successfully used the 8800GTX on the Mac Pro in Windows.milo said:
PCI-Express 2.0 cards are backward compatible with 1.0/1.1.milo said:
I'm using a Radeon 3850 in my PC on PCI-Express 1.1 just fine. The Apple firmware is the issue here.
The problem is the firmware on the card, not the interface. The card is electrically compatible with PCI-E 1.0 but apple is making the firmware incompatible (if that is the case).
Yeah Looks like I'll be cancelling my order once this is confirmed.
I just sent a nasty gram to Steve. Not that it will do any good. . . but I feel better about it.
That appears to be EXACTLY the case. . .
I'm getting madder and madder the more I think about this. . . grrrrrr