The main reasons that BD is not being bought at the same rate that DVD is is because people have their DVD players that replaced their VHS players, DVD players can be bought for under $30 now whereas BD players cost between $100 and $300 (more with advanced options), and BD movies cost more than DVD movies for now.
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The main reasons that BD is not being bought at the same rate that DVD is is because people have their DVD players that replaced their VHS players, DVD players can be bought for under $30 now whereas BD players cost between $100 and $300 (more with advanced options), and BD movies cost more than DVD movies for now.
Don't know how this got into a BluRay debate only but I still laugh at people (You silly BRLawyer you!) who say there is little to no difference between DVD's and BluRay.
The audio quality alone (if you actually use quality 5.1/7.1 setups) is beyond comparison to DVD/Netflix HD etc. And for me it has been fantastic to own classic films I was too young (or not born yet) to watch as close to the original film version. Yes there are some terrible BR transfers but there were also a ton of horrible DVD transfers so it's a moot point.
I will concede that I'm not currently repurchasing everything I own on DVD but I didn't with VHS -> DVD either. But newer films like District 9, Star Trek and Ironman look/sound incredible and I have no regrets spending the extra $5 for the BR version.
The audio quality alone (if you actually use quality 5.1/7.1 setups) is beyond comparison to DVD/Netflix HD etc. And for me it has been fantastic to own classic films I was too young (or not born yet) to watch as close to the original film version. Yes there are some terrible BR transfers but there were also a ton of horrible DVD transfers so it's a moot point.
I will concede that I'm not currently repurchasing everything I own on DVD but I didn't with VHS -> DVD either. But newer films like District 9, Star Trek and Ironman look/sound incredible and I have no regrets spending the extra $5 for the BR version.
end of summer
This is from wiki:
In the United States, summer is often fixed as the period from the summer solstice (June 20 or 21, depending on the year) to the fall equinox (September 22 or 23, again depending on the year). Unofficially, the U.S. summer season is commonly regarded as beginning on Memorial Day weekend and ending on Labor Day weekend. Likewise, another set of pop-cultural reference points for summer in the USA is the time when elementary and secondary schools close down for the "summer vacation". This period usually lasts from around early to mid June until around late August to early September, depending on where the school is located.
The reason I asked, such an ignorant question, is that the "end of summer" is a nebulous concept. If it is the Labor Day weekend, then I'll have a hexacore Mac earlier, rather than later.
This is from wiki:
In the United States, summer is often fixed as the period from the summer solstice (June 20 or 21, depending on the year) to the fall equinox (September 22 or 23, again depending on the year). Unofficially, the U.S. summer season is commonly regarded as beginning on Memorial Day weekend and ending on Labor Day weekend. Likewise, another set of pop-cultural reference points for summer in the USA is the time when elementary and secondary schools close down for the "summer vacation". This period usually lasts from around early to mid June until around late August to early September, depending on where the school is located.
The reason I asked, such an ignorant question, is that the "end of summer" is a nebulous concept. If it is the Labor Day weekend, then I'll have a hexacore Mac earlier, rather than later.
Yeah, we need a refresh on ACD's specially the 30". Larger versions would be welcome but I doubt a 50" version.
blu-ray
I don't care about blu-ray playback on the Mac. I understand that there are special (read $$$) licensing issues (also, the requirement that the device not allow the capture of the signal) associated with blu-ray.
What I do find inexcusable, is Apple's lack of updating DVD Studio Pro to allow for blu-ray encoding. I know (because I have compressor) that Compressor will allow for the encoding of the most basic of a Blu-Ray DVD. For those argue that optical or physical media is dead, you are just plain wrong. Yes, wireless media is here, and it works very well. However, itunes/apple tv/netflix wireless can't replace having your own copy of a movie and, or your own produced copy of a movie.
So, hopefully, when the new version of Final Cut Studio comes out, an updated version of DVDSP will be included.
I don't care about blu-ray playback on the Mac. I understand that there are special (read $$$) licensing issues (also, the requirement that the device not allow the capture of the signal) associated with blu-ray.
What I do find inexcusable, is Apple's lack of updating DVD Studio Pro to allow for blu-ray encoding. I know (because I have compressor) that Compressor will allow for the encoding of the most basic of a Blu-Ray DVD. For those argue that optical or physical media is dead, you are just plain wrong. Yes, wireless media is here, and it works very well. However, itunes/apple tv/netflix wireless can't replace having your own copy of a movie and, or your own produced copy of a movie.
So, hopefully, when the new version of Final Cut Studio comes out, an updated version of DVDSP will be included.
HardMac
Just a thought, hopefully this rumor is true. There have been a couple of false ones this year.
Just a thought, hopefully this rumor is true. There have been a couple of false ones this year.
A lot of venom in this thread.
Personally I think that blu-ray is going to be around for a while, fortunately or unfortunately. I would like everything to move straight to HD downloads but I don't think it's going to happen right away.
The reason being that your average person is not very computer/tech savvy. They probably own a blu-ray player at home with their TV and wouldn't know how to download a movie if you gave them step-by-step instructions. They are so ingrained on putting in the physical medium, pressing play, watching, and then removing it. This will ensure that blu-ray has a future at least for now until everyone moves on to HD streaming content.
I think that Apple is trying to capitalize on their iTunes HD content and sees blu-ray as a loss of profits. The problem with this is that it only harms the consumer right now because they are not given the choice. Blu-ray read/write drives have come down drastically and many of them have DVD authoring capabilities as well. 50GB of data can be backed up on a single disc which is a nice size at the current moment, how much would a 50GB USB stick cost at the moment?
Also, if you want to enjoy blu-ray content on your mac you have to first get an external blu-ray drive which is expensive at the moment, then you have to either convert it (loss of quality), back it up, or use programs that employ glitchy streaming options that are known to be buggy. So-called "HD" content from iTunes is nowhere near the quality that can be held on a blu-ray drive at the moment and in the near future. Wouldn't it just make more sense to put the blu-ray disc into the drive and then watch?
So all in all, I think it should really be the consumer's choice as to what they want to use. I've had a blu-ray drive in my PC at home for a while now and it's great so why can't Apple do the same?
Personally I think that blu-ray is going to be around for a while, fortunately or unfortunately. I would like everything to move straight to HD downloads but I don't think it's going to happen right away.
The reason being that your average person is not very computer/tech savvy. They probably own a blu-ray player at home with their TV and wouldn't know how to download a movie if you gave them step-by-step instructions. They are so ingrained on putting in the physical medium, pressing play, watching, and then removing it. This will ensure that blu-ray has a future at least for now until everyone moves on to HD streaming content.
I think that Apple is trying to capitalize on their iTunes HD content and sees blu-ray as a loss of profits. The problem with this is that it only harms the consumer right now because they are not given the choice. Blu-ray read/write drives have come down drastically and many of them have DVD authoring capabilities as well. 50GB of data can be backed up on a single disc which is a nice size at the current moment, how much would a 50GB USB stick cost at the moment?
Also, if you want to enjoy blu-ray content on your mac you have to first get an external blu-ray drive which is expensive at the moment, then you have to either convert it (loss of quality), back it up, or use programs that employ glitchy streaming options that are known to be buggy. So-called "HD" content from iTunes is nowhere near the quality that can be held on a blu-ray drive at the moment and in the near future. Wouldn't it just make more sense to put the blu-ray disc into the drive and then watch?
So all in all, I think it should really be the consumer's choice as to what they want to use. I've had a blu-ray drive in my PC at home for a while now and it's great so why can't Apple do the same?
after summer...? I need a new iMac, I'm can't wait any longer
Me too. Gonna buy a PC now. Fock all this waiting shiznet!
I was hoping maybe today at the iPhone press conference;
you know a "and one more thing........"
But instead it's just sickly steve doing his usual dog and pony show
I think so did they!
I got more blu ray discs to stick into the machine than USB 3.0 devices. Blu Ray should come before USB3. It's like jumping the gun, or putting the cart in front of the horse. It will still be at least 5-10 years before mainstream movies (let alone storage) are phased out from discs to streaming... seems like apple wants to dodge blu ray and its entirety completely for the next decade... and if bluray is selling better than ever in 2020 steve will probably jump out and hold a press conference
Mac pro users have a lot of venom because they have to wait forever for updates, only to buy overly priced hardware. Not exactly a great situation.
Agreed. Fock blueray. Just download the crap and bypass iTunes, the Disc makers, and the movie production companies' BS.
Slow down, let's not get ahead of ourselves. Apple still hasn't addressed the iphone 4 problem. We still have a yellow tint in some of the 27" Imac's & we still have a 13" Macbook pro with the same specs as a Macbook selling for $200 more.
I'm not sure if USB 3.0 will do us any good yet I have not seen any drives out that have incorporated this format, but I could be wrong. Also faster fire wire sounds promising but I'm just getting use to F.W. 800 and I don't have many devices that use it. I have 2 400 to 800 cables so I'm thinking a refresh on the Imac & mac pro's sounds great as long as it's kept in line.
I'm not sure if USB 3.0 will do us any good yet I have not seen any drives out that have incorporated this format, but I could be wrong. Also faster fire wire sounds promising but I'm just getting use to F.W. 800 and I don't have many devices that use it. I have 2 400 to 800 cables so I'm thinking a refresh on the Imac & mac pro's sounds great as long as it's kept in line.
I'd say that it is highly unlikely that we'll see faster Firewire in the next Macs. Thus, IMO, this pretty much cast a big shadow of doubt on the source of this rumor. USB3 is a possibility and a given at some point in time so no real surprise there. The only issue seems to be Intel's slow path to a chip set that will support USB3 (and I think we can be fairly certain that the next Mac Pro will use an Intel chip set).
For the vast majority of potential customers, Firewire is pretty much a legacy standard (or limited -- from an availability and practical sense -- to Firewire 400/800 devices). If someone really needs Firewire 1600/3200 on a Mac Pro they should just go out and find a third-party solution to support it.
For the vast majority of potential customers, Firewire is pretty much a legacy standard (or limited -- from an availability and practical sense -- to Firewire 400/800 devices). If someone really needs Firewire 1600/3200 on a Mac Pro they should just go out and find a third-party solution to support it.
You can buy internal Blu-Ray drives for the Mac Pro. You'll just have to boot into Windows 7 to watch them. Come to think of it, you might as well just stay booted into Windows while you're at it since Steve shows little interest in supporting newer technologies that might conflict with some product Apple is trying to push (like iTunes).
What adapter, all FireWire is backward compatible, bring your f.cking cable along, you can't except the uni to provide you with a cable too.
Oh man, you don't even know the difference between FW 400 and 800? Yet you flame away anyway.
For the sake of education, this adapter:
http://store.apple.com/ca/product/TW748LL/A?mco=MTY3ODQ5OTY
1.) How do you rip them?
2.) How many external HDDs have you got?
3.) What if people have 32, 37, 42" or even larger screens?
4.) What about sound? You lose the quality sound too with your time-consuming/HDD-wasting ripping exercise.
5.) What if people just can't be bothered to rip? The whole point of Blu Ray is that you put it in and you get quality sound with quality picture on a disc.
6.) AND YOU CALL BLU RAY A BAG OF HURT?!
Ever heard of a Blu-Ray Player?
I can't imagine watching movies on a computer after working all day on a damn computer.
I'm just hoping we'll see soon the rumored 27" ACD. It would be great to have that resolution in front of me, compared with my 24" ACD.
I agree, I'd love to backup to a 50GB BRD as a secondary method. I'd never backup to DVDs personally because even the DL-DVDs can't hold 10% of the info I'd need to back up. I'd be burning for hours, and it'd be cheaper to just dump everything to a 2TB drive or two.
Anyone waiting for Apple to release a Mac with a BD burner doesn't need it that bad, Toast with an external or modified internal Mac burner is a great option until Apple decides to catch up with the pack.
It won't happen for decades to come. Many high end data centers are still backing up hundreds of TBs of info onto . . . . tape media.
Wow, a Mac rumor on Macrumors... imagine that! I can't remember the last time there was one of those.
I hate to say it but I agree. I'd really love to see USB3 and FW1600/3200 on a Mac Pro but not only will Apple be forced to buy whatever Intel puts on it's boards but Apple just doesn't have the best track record with bleeding edge tech.
I would hate to buy into a company that'd but the iPhone ahead of it's only desktop models. FW is a wonderful technology that Apple should put much more money into. eSATA is faster than FW, but it's not bus powered, and I haven't heard too much info about power-over-eSATA. USB3 will fill that "faster-than-FW-800 and bus powered" gap if/until FW1600/3200 is released.