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USB 3.0 and Faster FireWire in Next Mac Pro, iMac?

I just love the mysterious ways of Apple. Adding FW 32, a standard that almost no device uses (at least I can't find them, surely not for the consumermarket). Could make sense for the MacPro but for the iMac???

And then the stubbornness of not adding BluRay. Say what you want but at this moment nothing even comes close in terms of quality of video and audio. Sure you can download 1080 movies but it takes a loooong time, a very, very good broadband connection. It's typically Apple, if they can't make a profit with it they won't use it.

I still like Apple products a lot and Steve did a great job for Apple but it's time he retires. Without Steve I'm pretty sure the Macs would be awesome today (after he got them on track) and they would be over that 10% marketshare already.
 
kernkraft said:
How I like doing it:

- You put your thing in

- Enjoy

- Take it out

- Done.


What you suggest:

- Fiddle with yourself

- Enjoy something that reminds you to the real thing.
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Are you going to reply to my argument with an actual counterpoint or continue to make yourself look silly?

I might suggest the same solution to you, so you can play your BDs without bloatware. I would even say that this solution is superior to the paid versions, as it will play on non-HDCP screens.

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Oh and along the line of sex suggestion, are you that desperate?
 
BRLawyer said:
You may give me a cracker as well; Blu-Ray is, as exhaustively explained before, a ridiculous DRM-ridden technology that brings only marginal gains when compared to normal DVDs...
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this is the problem with the argument. people seem to repeat 'ugh blu-ray, drm, bag of hurt', but they fail to recognize that any legit download or streaming service comes with it's own mega-cluster**** of drm and restrictions, right along with the occasional required hardware and a complete lack of ownership...oh, and also high prices. oh, and worse audio and visual quality. as far as market share, last i heard blu-ray was beating out any streaming or download service, at least for hd content (don't know if this is true anymore though, it's been a while since i looked. regardless, blu-ray has been widely reported to be gaining market penetration just as fast as dvd did 15 years ago).

regarding 'marginal gains' on dvds, it's generally not true, though there is somewhat of an onus placed on the film studio to correctly handle the transfer (which sadly often gets placed in the most incompetent of hands). ymmv.
 
Manzanito said:
So don't buy it. I still fail to see why adding, say, a BTO option would make it a bag of hurt. You don't have to pay for hardware you don't use (and yet you claim to rip blu rays) and the rest of us get what we want. See? No hurt there.
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Apple is not going to add bluray playback to Mac OSX if the drive is BTO.

You don't have easy access to Blu Ray discs, and you don't like them. I'm OK with that. But that's a personal preference, not a bag of hurt.
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Even if i had there are only so much movies i would buy, because most are crap. I will take good movie on DVD over bluray any day if that's what it takes. bag of hurt for 4/5 of the world ... and others don't even care.
 
micm said:
The Mac Pro has been unbelievably overdue, especially considering it is supposed to be the top-performance line of Macs (thus needing more frequent updates to keep up).

I'm surprised Macrumors systematically downplays that. Guys, you have a huge critical mass and I'm sure today even Apple follows you closely. Please do bring up this oddity when you mention Mac Pros, and consider expressing your wonders (I'm sure you do) as to why the Mac Pro has been so neglected to become basically abandoned. It has jumped two releases, and it's nearly two years now. I'm sure many of the Macrumors community are all ears on this.
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If you bought a top of the line Gen 1 Mac Pro in 2006, it is still a very fast machine. The Mac Pros are designed with longevity in mind. They're expensive, but they last like the dickens.
 
Steve Jobs said:
"Blu-ray is just a bag of hurt. It's great to watch the movies, but the licensing of the tech is so complex, we're waiting till things settle down and Blu-ray takes off in the marketplace."
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Based on that, I doubt Blu-Ray is a "bag of hurt" for 4/5ths of the world since they don't need to worry about licensing the technology. They just need to buy the consumer products - since it's the developers and companies that need to worry about it, not us.

The bag of hurt would be the annoying plastic packaging - too lazy to use scissors, sometimes that plastic can get annoying. At least that's only ever one annoyance per purchase.

After that, I just need to slot the disc in like usual.

I fail to see any problems there.
 
bathysphere said:
this is the problem with the argument. people seem to repeat 'ugh blu-ray, drm, bag of hurt', but they fail to recognize that any legit download or streaming service comes with it's own mega-cluster**** of drm and restrictions, right along with the occasional required hardware and a complete lack of ownership...oh, and also high prices. oh, and worse audio and visual quality. as far as market share, last i heard blu-ray was beating out any streaming or download service, at least for hd content (don't know if this is true anymore though, it's been a while since i looked. regardless, blu-ray has been widely reported to be gaining market penetration just as fast as dvd did 15 years ago).

regarding 'marginal gains' on dvds, it's generally not true, though there is somewhat of an onus placed on the film studio to correctly handle the transfer (which sadly often gets placed in the most incompetent of hands). ymmv.
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Yeah and it took DVD ten years to get anywhere near the point where companies stopped making VHS versions. Apple (or SJ) believes that by the time that Blu-Ray becomes as commonplace as DVD, everyone would have already moved on to online media.

I still think it's strange they don't offer a BD drive today, but that's their reasoning.
 
Great. I just bought a new iMac three weeks ago.
Wonder if I'll be able to exchange it?

If not maybe I should return it and wait a month with just my iPhone as a computer.

Anyone know the upgrade exchange policy?
 
WvB22 said:
I just love the mysterious ways of Apple. Adding FW 32, a standard that almost no device uses (at least I can't find them, surely not for the consumermarket). Could make sense for the MacPro but for the iMac???

And then the stubbornness of not adding BluRay. Say what you want but at this moment nothing even comes close in terms of quality of video and audio. Sure you can download 1080 movies but it takes a loooong time, a very, very good broadband connection. It's typically Apple, if they can't make a profit with it they won't use it.

I still like Apple products a lot and Steve did a great job for Apple but it's time he retires. Without Steve I'm pretty sure the Macs would be awesome today (after he got them on track) and they would be over that 10% marketshare already.
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First, I just went to local Best Buy, and I saw a pretty good amount of things that still use FireWire. I know that FireWire has lost its popularity, but I think once Apple releases the 1600 or even 3200 FireWire that it will become popular again. Even though the new USB 3.0 is supposed to be insanely fast, I think there are still situations where FireWire could be useful.

Second, I agree that adding Blu-Ray would be a great addition. It hasn't really bothered me, but that is because I have an early 2006 iMac, and it's terrible to watch movies on it. Now that I think about it though, there really isn't a way to watch HD movies on an iMac besides the internet, and that is something that I would really need, because the only thing that I have where I live is Satellite internet, and it is really disappointing, it takes 6 hours to download a standard definition on a good day.

Lastly, I strongly disagree with you on Steve retiring, he saved Apple, he came up with the idea for many of Apple's products too. In fact he even started Apple, and then was kicked out. You know what happened when he got kicked out, Apple started losing money, and if NeXT hadn't been bought by Apple, I am sure that Apple wouldn't be alive today.
 
Seanozz said:
Great. I just bought a new iMac three weeks ago.
Wonder if I'll be able to exchange it?

If not maybe I should return it and wait a month with just my iPhone as a computer.

Anyone know the upgrade exchange policy?
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You're out of the luck. The window for returns is 14 days after receiving the product.

There's no upgrade available.
 
Lord Vader said:
Even if i had there are only so much movies i would buy, because most are crap. I will take good movie on DVD over bluray any day if that's what it takes.
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I have a blu-ray player but never saw a BD movie on it. I got the player for its NetFlix capabilities.

But Blu-ray is NOT a big bag of hurt for the consumer, it's only a big bag of hurt for Apple. Frankly, Apple makes more than enough money off of me that if it hurts them a little to put blu-ray in - well, I wouldn't feel too bad about it.

Myself, I've had the opportunity to watch some blu-ray movies over the last several months (since I bought my player) and haven't taken it. I've seen some HD Netflix content, but not any BD yet. I guess that mean that I'm one of those "don't care" people.
 
iPadPublisher said:
...I'm a newer convert into the world of Apple. I've got some light familiarity with Macs, but not much. Got my first iPhone in November, And iPad in April.

Now that I'm hip to Apple products, I was going to seriously consider a Mac. Needed to replace my 2+ yr old PC in mid-May and looked at the Mac Pro and was shocked at how out of touch the specs were. I dropped nearly $2200 on a new HP pc instead with maxed CPU, and ram specs. Added USB 3.0 card and an additional internal drive. I do a lot of heavy audio and some video work, so I appreciate the fire power. I can't ditch this pc so soon no matter how cool the specs are on the Pro. I just hope it doesn't take so long for the NEXT refresh or I'll be stuck in this cycle.
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I just ordered a HP Z800 'Extreme Power' workstation for work... Forced to use crap PC loaded with Windows 7... Company's policy... The cost of the machine $5,800 (without screen, only 4 Gb of Ram, 1 Single processor / 4 cores,)... And for this price I do not have the top of of the top in terms of power... Anyways: this is piece of junk compared to the user experience I enjoy on my 3 YO Mac Pro (using Final Cut Studio Pro, Logic...)
 
I've tried streaming of pure 1080 and full quality audio too. I love the idea and it will be the future for sure. BUT, at this time streaming is a bag of hurt. Older people don't understand it, let alone ripping and that kind of stuff. The quality varies, from great but also annoying hick-ups, tearing and total break ups.

Blu-Ray is simple. Put the disc in, press play and enjoy top notch quality of both video and sound. Using my HD TV and Blu-Ray player, nothing comes even close while streaming. And Apple is supposed to be easy. For normal people who don't care about technology. Nothing could be more easy to put a disc in and enjoy a perfect movie on that glorious iMac display or on your MBP while underway. Sure you download them first but a Blu-Ray movie on full quality audio and video takes at least 2 hours to download, probaly even more. And sure I know some of you might have blazing fast 100 Mb download speeds but not your average neighbour.
 
MorphingDragon said:
Oh and along the line of sex suggestion, are you that desperate?
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Whatever I wanted to say about the matter, I've already done pages ago.

I haven't realised that it was a sexual reference to you... :)

The key is 'convenience' and 'choice'. What you suggest is a poor workaround. It is the equivalent of jailbreaking the iPhone or creating a Hackintosh. The only real difference is that here, we are talking about computers with work stuff on it; computers as part of the commercial workflow.

Many of us would like to use BR as a backup solution just as we do it with DVDs. None of the current workarounds provide a convenient solution to combine the speed, reliability, all-round software support that makes BR possible on a Mac-based environment.

It is almost the same with films. The point of optical media is to have content in one place, easily putting it into a computer or dedicated player and watch it. That's it, done. You don't have to exploit software and format issues and you don't have to degrade the quality further than your screen and sound system do.


What I'd rather associate with desperation is the urge to prove that Apple Inc's omission of supporting Blu Ray can be justified. Because it cannot.
 
yeah usb 3. rejoice, good job apple.

i told the people last year that if they buy imac 27, their imac will be obselete before they bought it. and i am right.

Now, all we need to wait is cold war between sony and apple to finish and we have the perfect imac with blu-ray. Rejoice.
 
mk_in_mke said:
I just ordered a HP Z800 'Extreme Power' workstation for work... Forced to use crap PC loaded with Windows 7... Company's policy... The cost of the machine $5,800 (without screen, only 4 Gb of Ram, 1 Single processor / 4 cores,)... And for this price I do not have the top of of the top in terms of power... Anyways: this is piece of junk compared to the user experience I enjoy on my 3 YO Mac Pro (using Final Cut Studio Pro, Logic...)
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unlike the Mac Pro's, the HP has a Quadro video card which is a real professional level graphics card

same silicon as the consumer products but the drivers are different and it costs a lot more than the consumer cards
 
kernkraft said:
I haven't realised that it was a sexual reference to you... :)
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No. The use of a sexual reference looks poorly on your banter and argumentative skills. Hence the reason why I commented on it.

kernkraft said:
The key is 'convenience' and 'choice'. What you suggest is a poor workaround. It is the equivalent of jailbreaking the iPhone or creating a Hackintosh. The only real difference is that here, we are talking about computers with work stuff on it; computers as part of the commercial workflow.

Many of us would like to use BR as a backup solution just as we do it with DVDs. None of the current workarounds provide a convenient solution to combine the speed, reliability, all-round software support that makes BR possible on a Mac-based environment.

It is almost the same with films. The point of optical media is to have content in one place, easily putting it into a computer or dedicated player and watch it. That's it, done. You don't have to exploit software and format issues and you don't have to degrade the quality further than your screen and sound system do.
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I'm starting to think that you didn't even have a look at my second link.

How is using the streaming function of a piece of software like jail-breaking an iPhone?

Also, Mac OSX does have BD authoring support, and the built in burning software can burn directly to BD.

I still fail to see how Microsoft support's BD any more than Apple does. Both OSes provide native support for burning and both OSes require third player software to play/author BD movies. Both require third parties to provide BD hardware.

Ripping does not have to degrade quality, it is done so by the users choice and makeMKV's playback feature is uncompressed.

kernkraft said:
What I'd rather associate with desperation is the urge to prove that Apple Inc's omission of supporting Blu Ray can be justified. Because it cannot.
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I'm not defending Apple, but your trolling on the subject matter is not only uninformed but stupid. Apple supports BluRay no more or less than Microsoft does.
 
I believe Apple will make the MacPro unusable when placed to the right of the monitor - thus bringing balance to Apple Universe once more.
 
Blu-ray schmoo ray.

I work in a movie trailer house - around 50 people here. How many of us have a Blu-Ray player?

2 maybe 3.

Says it all about that format for me. People aren't interested.
 
kernkraft said:
Jobs also said that the iPhone reception problem was a "non issue".

Personally, I think that Steve Jobs is a bag of hurt. Although, you might still believe whatever he says. For many of us, it is kind of irrelevant. He lost credibility.
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No kidding. I had been waiting for an iPhone4 for months...when it was oringally released I opted to wait a few weeks to make sure there were no issues...and what do you know...it is full of problems - all things that Apple either refuses to acknowledge or says are a non issue. I love the design but also want things like a mobile hot-spot, more memory than 32 Gb, the ability to hook up to a TV or other monitor via HDMI and of course to hold it any way I choose...so I am left thinking that maybe I should get a DroidX.

Apple has limited themselves by hitching their wagon to AT&T. I think the mobile hotspot could have easily been incorporated but AT&T didn't want the iPhone to hurt iPad 3G sales or overwhelm their already strained network...so the iPhone gets screwed there. As far as memory...it is anyone's guess why we are still limited to 32 gb.

I see some of the similar issues plaguing the iMac. I want a blu-ray capable drive. At this point...unlike the iPhone4 I still see myself getting the next generation iMac when it is finally released. By the way - I appreciate all the field testers that have helped Apple find out all the crappy issues they have going on with the iPhone4 and first generation 27" iMac. Will make my purchasing decision easier.
 
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