Used iOS 6 yesterday

[Max(IT)]

When I use iOS 6, it's just so snappy. The interface changes in iOS 7 I quite like, but the speed of animations/feeling of responsiveness is painfully slow (e.g. you can't do anything until the animation finishes).

Disappointed to hear 7.1 isn't really any better.

Reading your post someone could imagine a three seconds animation you have to wait before opening an app

We are speaking about milliseconds .... are you so fast you actually have to WAIT the animation finish ???

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Apple apologists often say that but where are people complaining that their device can't run iOS 7? (I'm not talking about previous releases but specifically iOS 7)

Considering the fact that upgrading is a one-way street, Apple has a responsibility to their customers to ensure that if they enable a device to upgrade that the performance will be on par with what they are currently running.

Not only does Apple allow upgrades in questionable scenarios, but they forcefully download the install image to any device they have allowed to upgrade... space taken up that cannot be regained unless they upgrade.

The only responsibility Apple has is that the iOS will works flawlessly on the supported hardware, and it does.
Expecting the same performance on a 3-4 years old hardware is just ridiculously denial on your part.

I don't know if Apple apologists are worse than well known Apple bashers ....

 

[petvas]

Reading your post someone could imagine a three seconds animation you have to wait before opening an app

We are speaking about milliseconds .... are you so fast you actually have to WAIT the animation finish ???

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The only responsibility Apple has is that the iOS will works flawlessly on the supported hardware, and it does.
Expecting the same performance on a 3-4 years old hardware is just ridiculously denial on your part.

I don't know is Apple apologists are worse than well known Apple bashers ....

Well, animations are slow in iOS 7.0.4 and many times the slowness bothered me. Of course many users work fast and are getting slowed down from the OS. This is something Apple recognized and has corrected it in iOS 7.1

 

[jrswizzle]

I do. I don't hate iOS 7 because of some complainers. I srongly hated iOS 7 right after seeing it during the WWDC live stream. After that, I found out I'm not alone in that opinion and that iOS 7 is also much slower and buggier despite being mostly just a coat of paint. My real-life experience with iOS 7-infested devices just confirmed my thoughts about this disaster. The disaster that makes Vista and even ME look like jewels.


How can a bad coat of paint and a lack of visual affordances make the UI less clunky?


iOS 6's UI is not outdated, it is unfashionable. Is is also structurally and functionally identical to iOS 7.


The whole idea of iOS 6's "skeuomorphic" design is that each app is appropriately themed to morph an iOS device into a similarly-sized specialised device. Do you consider this incosistency and iOS 7's splashes of white, neon and translucency to be consistency?


How did classic iOS degrade?

I hated that skeuomorphic nonsense. It's a smartphone, not a pad of paper. I want a modern, stylish looking OS. iOS 7 is vastly superior to iOS 6 in my eyes.

Again - I can spout anecdotal evidence. Truth is, the UI's "look" is irrelevant to the argument of which is inherently "better". Look is subjective. The fact iOS 7 has more features and is future oriented (being 64-bit) means it is objectively better.

There are bugs - just like there were bugs in iOS 6 and every major release before it - this is the biggest jump iOS has made since, yet they only have the same year time frame. 7.1 will take care of the major issues and fix some things (like the ability to set wallpaper independently of the parallax function).

But it is most certainly better than iOS 6 in that it is the foundation on which iOS's 8, 9, 10 11 and so on will be built. And each iteration will be more polished than the last until another major upheaval is needed. Times change. iOS needed to change.

 

[abshole765]

Painfully slow = milliseconds....

Seriously guys - this forum should win the Academy Award for best dramatic performance.....utter hyperbole and nonsense.

I tap, an animation zooms in and out - takes less than a split second. You can even turn them off.

To say such minuscule time is "painful" is absurd. Seriously.

Even with them off I've had to tap the home button multiple times because the phone was "in the middle of something".

 

[jrswizzle]

Even with them off I've had to tap the home button multiple times because the phone was "in the middle of something".

What device do you use?

Literally never encountered this problem. I've had my share of crashes and reboots, but as far as fluidity and responsiveness, all of my devices have performed beautifully.

 

[Dented]

Even with them off I've had to tap the home button multiple times because the phone was "in the middle of something".

I just do not recognise this at all. I consider myself a heavy user, I have 271 apps installed on my phone, more than 50gb of data, I compulsively poke and prod the thing continually through the day, I never close apps down or worry about what's going on in the background, and I have NEVER encountered a situation where the phone didn't respond immediately to the home button, or felt like it was "in the middle" of anything else. That simply does not bear any relation to any experience I've ever had with a IOS device.

 

[abshole765]

what device do you use?

Literally never encountered this problem. I've had my share of crashes and reboots, but as far as fluidity and responsiveness, all of my devices have performed beautifully.

4s.

i just do not recognise this at all. I consider myself a heavy user, i have 271 apps installed on my phone, more than 50gb of data, i compulsively poke and prod the thing continually through the day, i never close apps down or worry about what's going on in the background, and i have never encountered a situation where the phone didn't respond immediately to the home button, or felt like it was "in the middle" of anything else. That simply does not bear any relation to any experience i've ever had with a ios device.

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[Altis]

Reading your post someone could imagine a three seconds animation you have to wait before opening an app

We are speaking about milliseconds .... are you so fast you actually have to WAIT the animation finish ???

The delays are longer than milliseconds... If I unlock straight into a reply to an iMessage... the animation goes, it swoops in, the keyboard pops up... I start typing, and get 1-5 taps in before it starts responding to the touches after the keyboard is settled.

Sure, I tend to type and navigate quickly, but unacknowledged taps are irritating. Especially in the case above, if it only misses 1 or 2 keystrokes, and you only realize 3 or 4 letters in, and autocorrect changes it to something different.. so you have to backspace and restart.

All the animations are like this. It ignores your touches until about 1-2 seconds after it started. Try it now with the Spotlight search... pull down, and start tapping (not even quickly, just two/second maybe) and see how many until it acknowledges you want to go back to the home screen.

After years of using the iPhone, for the first time I've had to relearn muscle memory controls because the phone will not keep up. Mixed reports about how well this is addressed in 7.1, but here's to hoping!

PS. About those "milliseconds"... People make a big deal with Apple's touch screens are <50 ms more responsive than competition. So having to wait 1500 ms for it to respond is sure noticeable!

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1651697/

 

[sunking101]

Reading your post someone could imagine a three seconds animation you have to wait before opening an app

We are speaking about milliseconds .... are you so fast you actually have to WAIT the animation finish ???

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The only responsibility Apple has is that the iOS will works flawlessly on the supported hardware, and it does.
Expecting the same performance on a 3-4 years old hardware is just ridiculously denial on your part.

I don't know if Apple apologists are worse than well known Apple bashers ....

So what you're saying then is that Apple deliberately ruined the old hardware so that users had to upgrade?
I passed my perfectly functioning (and in mint condition) iPhone 4 to my father. He doesn't need the latest tech and to be fair, the iPhone 4 (*running iOS6) was still a fantastic phone. Apple ruined it with their iOS7 rollout and that's a fact. My father won't upgrade until I pass him my iPhone 5 in 12 months' time so all that Apple have done is ruin the experience for him. The iPhone4 shouldn't have been included in the iOS7 rollout.

 

[jollyreaper]

Animations aside, iOS 7 delivers a more powerful experience. That's not subjective, it's fact. It's not perfect yet but it's a darn sight better than iOS 6 ever was.

If by powerful you mean laggy and draggy and hard to read, yeah, it's over 9000.

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They've been improving ios 7 ever since it's release, but once you get past the animations (which are getting fixed), just look at how much more modern and clean iOS 7 is.

That isn't clean, that's illegible. You use contrast to separate screen elements. The imessage interface makes my teeth hurt.

This isn't Apple's proprietary sin. It seems like everyone is hopping on this flat, low contrast, illegible design bandwagon. It's the same thing that happened with Gmail and Google Docs. And Windows 8 is a crime against humanity.

 

[dannyyankou]

If by powerful you mean laggy and draggy and hard to read, yeah, it's over 9000.

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That isn't clean, that's illegible. You use contrast to separate screen elements. The imessage interface makes my teeth hurt.

This isn't Apple's proprietary sin. It seems like everyone is hopping on this flat, low contrast, illegible design bandwagon. It's the same thing that happened with Gmail and Google Docs. And Windows 8 is a crime against humanity.

Maybe you should start a movement. After all, so many people agree with you

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1702617/

 

[jollyreaper]

Ok, I agree that iOS 7 is "modern" in that flat design is really trendy right now. And I agree that it is "clean" in that it has tons of empty, wasted space. But, these things do not make iOS 7 inherently "better" than what came before. And I have yet to see a single convincing argument to the contrary.

But, since you posted the pictures, let me point out a few ways iOS 7's "awesome" design is a real step backward.

Excellent points.

 

[jollyreaper]

Do you believe that there was a middle-ground that would've been preferable between doing nothing to improve the look-n-feel of iOS6 and the dramatic changes in iOS7?

Were people complaining about the staleness of iOS6 specifically or were they complaining about the cumulative staleness of iOS in general?

I think there's two kinds of people: those who use their devices and those who obsess about their devices.

If it was good when you got it, what's bad about it now? The only way I agree something can become bad is if subsequent devices have a better way of doing things. Or if the newer device makes the old one seem pokey. My ipod 3 seemed like a turtle compared to my 4S. Call it slow, I can see why.

I can also see complaining if a design is lousy with design fad elements that are not timeless. But to simply complain because it's not changed in a while... What if they've already arrived at an optimum solution? As a simple matter of engineering, the longer a product has existed, the more iterations it has gone through, the less likely it is for anything to revolutionize it. The development will become evolutionary.

Have cars fundamentally changed that much in the last twenty years? More doodads but they're still four wheeled vehicles that get you from here to there on roads and the speed limits haven't changed. A 1990 Ford will get you to work in the same time as a 2009 Ford. Satellite radio and navigation systems are nice bling but don't fundamentally change the vehicle.

Pretty much all of the wow-yaya praise for iOS7 is for a cosmetic reskin that ruins the interface. It's pretty much Windows Vista. It's essentially the same OS under the hood but with a UI that makes the saints cry.

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I have used both iOS6 and iOS7

I will always prefer iOS7..
as far as defects and bit crash prone...
updates will fix them..
Apple has always done this....

Wrong answer.

When IOS came out, it was a new product, 1.0. We expected problems. We expected improvements. We reached a level of performance and reliability that came to be expected, dependable, relied upon.

If Apple wants to release a huge update and redesign of the interface, they have to, AT MINIMUM, reach the old version's performance and reliability before even thinking of asking people to switch. And then if they can top the prior OS, then they have something to brag about.

Replacing something that works with something that doesn't and offering nothing but excuses for how it'll get better in time is pathetic.

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Better performance than iOS 6?
Better stability?
Better visibility?

Unless you are a member of the iOS system development team you really don't know if those things will be addressed in 7.1. You might wish, you might think, you might hope, but you really don't know.

Remember how Apple Maps was going to get better, just give the developers time?

 

[Bacong]

I went back to iPhone from a Moto X because of iOS' dependability. That hasn't changed in iOS 7.

Some of you guys are picky.

 

[C DM]

I went back to iPhone from a Moto X because of iOS' dependability. That hasn't changed in iOS 7.

Some of you guys are picky.

When you pay so much for a device, and then (for most) pay monthly to make use of it too, it doesn't seem that desiring it to perform as well as possible is that much of a stretch.

 

[jollyreaper]

When you pay so much for a device, and then (for most) pay monthly to make use of it too, it doesn't seem that desiring it to perform as well as possible is that much of a stretch.

Any design is a compromise of competing factors. The classic is fast, good or pheap: pick two. If we remove the development cost and just talk hardware, Apple has to balance speed of operation with bling. The wow factor is what set an iphone apart from the competition initially so it's not unimportant but, given that there's stiff competition now, a premium feel has to be maintained. In a choice between smooth and responsive interfaces vs. shiny, it shouldn't even be a question. Keep it snappy, keep it light. Snappy and shiny is fine but slow and shiny is right out.

But some people are just ridiculous. When the 4S came out, some people were actually upset that it was visually identical to the 4. "But how will people know I have the latest shiny toy?" People were actually angsting over that.

My damn otterbox has a cleavage window so everyone can see the damn apple logo. It also means that more dirt and gunk gets into the case. I'd have paid extra to get a solid back. I'm don't think anyone's going to be impressed by my phone and wouldn't care if they were.

 

[C DM]

Any design is a compromise of competing factors. The classic is fast, good or pheap: pick two. If we remove the development cost and just talk hardware, Apple has to balance speed of operation with bling. The wow factor is what set an iphone apart from the competition initially so it's not unimportant but, given that there's stiff competition now, a premium feel has to be maintained. In a choice between smooth and responsive interfaces vs. shiny, it shouldn't even be a question. Keep it snappy, keep it light. Snappy and shiny is fine but slow and shiny is right out.

But some people are just ridiculous. When the 4S came out, some people were actually upset that it was visually identical to the 4. "But how will people know I have the latest shiny toy?" People were actually angsting over that.

My damn otterbox has a cleavage window so everyone can see the damn apple logo. It also means that more dirt and gunk gets into the case. I'd have paid extra to get a solid back. I'm don't think anyone's going to be impressed by my phone and wouldn't care if they were.

Sure, there are definitely some ridiculous types of things, but then there are things that aren't really ridiculous as well.

 

[Max(IT)]

A lot of overreaction on this forum ...

 

[Bacong]

When you pay so much for a device, and then (for most) pay monthly to make use of it too, it doesn't seem that desiring it to perform as well as possible is that much of a stretch.

"as well as possible" is arbitrary. As well as iOS 6? I mean, maybe not quite, but remember, iOS had been refined for 5 years when the iPhone 5 came out and I couldn't believe how fast it was. No iOS device was ever that fast. So when they come out with a total redesign, which adds a ton of core functionality and still manages to be faster and more consistently reliable than Android, I think I can give them a break when the animations are just a teensy bit slower and there's bugs. There were always bugs in iOS, some of them way bigger than what's going on in iOS 7.

People will complain no matter what. iOS 7 is gorgeous, fast, and a vast improvement over a very dated 6. Give them some time to refine it, software isn't as easy as people would make it seem.

 

[cwosigns]

Man. That comparison of the SMS is just mindblowing. I forgot how plasticky and cheap that looked before.

I was thinking the same thing about the multitasking screen. In iOS 6, 80% of the screen was taken up with grayed-out icons that contributed nothing to the multitasking experience. iOS 7 is such a marked improvement over that.

 

[C DM]

"as well as possible" is arbitrary. As well as iOS 6? I mean, maybe not quite, but remember, iOS had been refined for 5 years when the iPhone 5 came out and I couldn't believe how fast it was. No iOS device was ever that fast. So when they come out with a total redesign, which adds a ton of core functionality and still manages to be faster and more consistently reliable than Android, I think I can give them a break when the animations are just a teensy bit slower and there's bugs. There were always bugs in iOS, some of them way bigger than what's going on in iOS 7.

People will complain no matter what. iOS 7 is gorgeous, fast, and a vast improvement over a very dated 6. Give them some time to refine it, software isn't as easy as people would make it seem.

Well, there are fairly clear (as far as existence at least) crashing issues, which almost never existed before, at least most certainly not even close to the same degree. Sure, there's something to be said for it being a redesign, but then the leanings and experience from the previous 6 iterations doesn't (or at least most certainly shouldn't) just go out the window just because of that. Stability is one of the most fundamental things and if that's shaken that's certainly not a good thing and a valid issue to take up--not to go crazy over it, but also not to gloss over it either.

 

[amayayamartin82]

Old is gold

And was amazed at how fast and clean the experience was.

Look, I love iOS 7 and it's philosophy, and I'm not a hater, but it does irk me that an older OS opened and closed apps more quickly, went into multitasking more quickly and efficiently, and all around felt less cumbersome.

Have you ever tried pulling up control center while reading to change brightness? I end up always initiating a page turn when I never meant to.

Opening any app will show me an old screen shot of the app while it takes a minute to refresh, causing confusion and compounding the feeling that this is a slow OS.

And I know there are many others on these threads that have complained about the screen's unresponsiveness while we way for animations to settle after unlocking/opening an app.

I know the major argument is that half a second here and there doesn't make a difference, but going from using a device that seems lethargic to using one that feels instant makes a world of difference in daily use IMO.

Design changes aside (I love the look of iOS 7, more or less)... how did they let the slowing of the OS occur after giving us one that was so instant and solid?

That was funny. But speaking frankly even nowadays the same kind of story is repeated with almost everybody using a hi-tech smartphone. Even I myself find that in most of the popular mobile OS nowadays it happens as often people regret upgrading to a latest version that makes the phone's operation very slow. However, formatting and resorting back to a previous version of the OS works great.

 

[mohammed-eg]

LOL

I remember when I had been complaining about the speed of iOS 7 back in its beta days and even posted videos to prove, almost everyone rebuked me saying 'I was using it too fast, it was a beta, blah-blah-blah.'

Months later, it's still slow as hell.

Trust me, even 7.1 is a freaking snail compared to iOS 6.

P.S. Please stop saying iOS 7 is better than iOS 6 just because there is a new feature that lets you turn on Bluetooth from the lock screen. 'New features' is a logical progression of any OS. We're talking about performance here. Performance-wise, iOS 7 is a freaking disaster.

Totally right man not just performance but graphics is ugly as hell

I wonder if any of the hackers let us downgrade without shsh files it will be amazing news

 

[abshole765]

I was thinking the same thing about the multitasking screen. In iOS 6, 80% of the screen was taken up with grayed-out icons that contributed nothing to the multitasking experience. iOS 7 is such a marked improvement over that.

Lol. Yeah, instead of 80% of the screen being nothing but wasted space, you get 80% of the screen showing thumbnails of the app hours ago.

Wasted space is still wasted space. All they did was polish something that was bad and make it slightly nicer.

 

[zenobialewis87]

Totally right man not just performance but graphics is ugly as hell

I wonder if any of the hackers let us downgrade without shsh files it will be amazing news

I haven't ever tried out downgrading the OS of my cell phone. Does it really work efficiently with IOS? I mean if need to downgrade it from 7.1 to 6?