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The 'new' Apple seems to be rotten to the Cook...er..I mean core.

There are the masses that will never see this site and will flock to the new & shiny and from what I learned from a member of the Executive Team, they (the Team, or other Apple TM's) are not to view or pay attention to sites such as this. Tim & Co.don't care and are lounging on their piles of stock options and cash.

I'll probably just buy, before they go away, another Mac Mini, just for backup and hopefully within the next 5 years, Tim will be gone. Just don't know who can lead the herd anymore.....

Cook might be one of the best CEOs in the world, and is a very capable operations guy (by business-world standards). He's doing pretty much what most typical CEOs would do in his situation. But, that's the problem. Typical business isn't how Apple got to the top (they tried that in the 90s), and it won't keep them on top.

Apple got to the top by making UX job #1. Success and profits followed. Now, they don't seem to give a rip about UX or making the best products any longer. They've found a 'better' way to chase consumer fancy and maximize profits. And, that's going to work even better... until it doesn't anymore (once consumer fancy shifts, and they've blown their reputation and loyal base).

I think they are well aware of the stuff we're complaining about, and as you say, just don't care. They are short-term thinking like most companies - just starting off with $billions in the bank and top brand recognition. It's going to take some time to burn through that, but it seems to be happening more quickly than I expected.

The big question, as a friend put it, is if Microsoft is beyond their 'Embrace. Extend. Extinguish.' strategy in some of their recent moves. For now, I guess I plan to stay on macOS, but might consider building rather than buying if I go for a more work-station oriented machine (so I can switch OS easily and maximize the hardware/$ ratio https://www.tonymacx86.com/buyersguide/november/2016). The laptop thing is a problem, though, as I'm not about to build one. :) I had been planning on buying the 13" w/o Touch Bar to get me through... now I don't know.

But, I don't think the problem is really Tim, so much as it is a shift in mentality at Apple (which Tim is leading or on-board). I think anyone that replaced him would probably do the same. :( (i.e.: I think it's over, unfortunately.)

In my case, I love the Mac, but I need Windows for SoildWorks, since there is no reasonable alternative for the MacOS...

I don't know what your exact requirements are, but are you aware of Shark FX? http://www.punchcad.com/p-29-Shark-FX-v9 (formerly Vellum Cobalt, Concepts Unlimited, etc.). I used to use it through the 90s and use it's little sibling product now. It was never well known, but pretty darn powerful. It's creator, Tim Olson, is a pioneer of 3D solids CAD out of Lockheed, and many of the top CAD products license some of his stuff.
 
It's @SoyCapitanSoyCapitan that had an issue with the comment about China, not me.
Sorry, I got lost in all the back and forth lol.

That's a system nobody ever saw on this side of the galaxy

Your swipe at China was kinda racist so I won't quote that Trumpism.
As I said....saying things are made in China and not California is not racist. If you found a racist comment in there you are looking way too deep. Where is this so called "swipe"? We should avoid calling someone's statement racist unless it actually is. Your comment may come off as trying to start a fight.
 
This is one of Apple's Key Signature - GPUs not being soldered well to the Logic Board or the soldering balls cracking.

In total I had in my life till now: 1 MBP 2008, 1 MBP mid 2011 17 Inch, 1 iMac Mid 2011 and MacMini Late 2012.
Except the Mac Mini, ALL the other devices suffer or died completely from this problem.

So, what happens is that in time as the GPU temps go up and down, the soldering gets cracked... it's a long story...
Either way... this is Apple's Literally GPU Signature Failure.

It may happen after 1 month, after 2 years or after 3....

APPLE Does NOT do quality tests and they DO NOT care about having these issues fixed anyway.
This is going on since 2008.... Why would they stop now?.... Buy a Mac, dies after 3 years, go buy a new one....

F U Apple for this! This is why, my next Mac will be bought by the company and I will not spend any more $$$ on Macs from my own pockets.


Stock price absolutely plummeting :eek:
 



Since new MacBook Pro models launched last month, an increasing number of early adopters have reported serious graphics issues on Apple's latest notebooks. The glitches and other problems appear to be most prevalent on built-to-order 15-inch models, but standard 13-inch and 15-inch configurations are also affected.

MacRumors reader Jan Becker, for example, said the graphics began to glitch on his new high-end 15-inch MacBook Pro, equipped with built-to-order AMD Radeon Pro 460 graphics, while transcoding video with Adobe Media Encoder in Premiere Pro. The notebook subsequently crashed.


Becker claims when he took his MacBook Pro to an Apple retail store to be replaced, an employee said the graphics issues are likely a hardware problem. He later claimed he received a phone call from Apple's headquarters in Cupertino, California, where it allegedly has a team of engineers looking into the issues.The most common symptoms reported by users include brightly colored flickering, full-screen checkerboard patterns, screen tearing, and other visual artifacts. Affected systems may subsequently experience unresponsiveness or a kernel panic, sometimes resulting in the MacBook Pro crashing.

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15-inch MacBook Pro with AMD Radeon Pro 460 graphics with full-screen visual artifacts

The high-end 15-inch MacBook Pro with Touch Bar and built-to-order AMD Radeon Pro 460 graphics appears to be most commonly afflicted, but several users have reported similar issues on 15-inch models equipped with standard AMD Radeon Pro 450 or AMD Radeon Pro 455 GPUs as well.

MacRumors reader Jayselle recorded his 15-inch MacBook Pro with AMD Radeon Pro 455 graphics flickering while connected to two external LG displays.


It is not entirely clear if the issues are a hardware or software problem. The graphics appear to act up most when users are completing intensive tasks, such as transcoding video with Adobe Media Encoder, syncing large photo libraries with Photos, or using other Adobe apps such as Photoshop and Lightroom.

It would initially seem the issue is limited to 15-inch MacBook Pro models with dedicated AMD graphics, but there are a few isolated reports of graphics issues on 13-inch models with integrated Intel Iris 540 and Intel Iris 550 graphics -- including the new 13-inch MacBook Pro with a standard row of function keys.


User complaints extend to the Apple Support Communities and other MacRumors discussion topics, indicating the graphics issues are rather widespread, but not all users are affected. Some speculate the latest macOS Sierra beta may fix the issues, but evidence remains anecdotal.

Separately, a number of users are reporting brief glitches during the boot up process on new MacBook Pro models, particularly along the bottom of the screen. It appears this issue is related to FileVault 2 startup disk encryption, as the glitches go away for many of these users once the feature is disabled.

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As insurance, Apple's extended holiday return policy is currently in effect. MacBook Pros purchased or delivered between November 10 and December 25 are eligible for return until January 8, 2017 in the United States, Australia, and Canada, or January 20 in the United Kingdom and some other European countries.

Select 2011-2013 MacBook Pro models have exhibited similar graphics issues in the past, including distorted video, no video, or unexpected system restarts. Apple accordingly launched a Repair Extension Program offering free repairs and refunds, but not before facing a class action lawsuit over the matter.

Apple appears to be aware of and is investigating these latest graphics issues, but it has yet to publicly comment on the matter. Apple been actively exchanging MacBook Pros for affected customers, according to users. Schedule a Genius Bar appointment or contact Apple Support to facilitate this process.

Article Link: Users Find Some New MacBook Pros Suffer From Major Graphics Issues
[doublepost=1480838442][/doublepost]Any 12 year old student volunteering for Apple for free would find these easy to find bugs in one day. This was not a technical oversight but rather a rush to market
 
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i wonder, how apple handle this GPU issue? is they replace completely with new unit?

except apple technician is very good at micro soldering skills with precision repairing tools, they will repair problematic soldered GPU, if not should apple replace whole unit / new logic board entirely?
 
Anyone else notice that the phones do this on shut down? Every time I reboot my iPhone 7 running iOS 10, I have some weird graphic distortion as it shuts down. I've even heard it crackle and pop a few times.
This was introduced with iOS 10. When you hard reboot the phone it shows odd graphical effects as the phone shuts down but no idea why it's in there. And no idea why apple don't "fix" it either.
 
Sorry, I got lost in all the back and forth lol.


As I said....saying things are made in China and not California is not racist.

It is when a whole people aren't being fingered for some stupid graphics card. Passive xenophobia is no more acceptable than a hard insult. If you have an issue, blame a company not a nation.

To put it into perspective...blame the chip designers who live in the US, or the manufacturing facility in Korea or Taiwan, and then if all else fails you can finger the assembly line in China. Because 99.9% of the time the fault in these products exists before they are assembled together. Remember that before you go an insult millions of people who sweat their asses off so that you can enjoy your consumer lifestyle.
 
The problem when you are working at Apple software QA is: you can write and report as many bugs as you find in terms of usability, performance or general issues but they are slow at fixing it, especially the longer a bug exists or the more work it requires to fix. It often seems the engineering teams are developing quick and dirty fixes.

By the way: if you compare responsiveness of the user interface between Mac OS X El Capitan and Windows 10 you will find out that Windows 10 is as snappy as OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard was. Times are changing... as good as Apple once was - they let it slip away in a big way...
 
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They say there's no such thing as bad PR, but I think in this case, it is bad.

The bad news just keeps on rolling in on Apple's MBP line. Hopefully this is just software, not the software driver issue that cause hardware failure in the speakers, but software, where an update will easily remedy this problem.
 
It is when a whole people aren't being fingered for some stupid graphics card. Passive xenophobia is no more acceptable than a hard insult. If you have an issue, blame a company not a nation.

To put it into perspective...blame the chip designers who live in the US, or the manufacturing facility in Korea or Taiwan, and then if all else fails you can finger the assembly line in China. Because 99.9% of the time the fault in these products exists before they are assembled together. Remember that before you go an insult millions of people who sweat their asses off so that you can enjoy your consumer lifestyle.
If there was an insult there it was not at China. The insult is at Apple for making products somewhere other than the US. You are seeing racism where there is none.
 
If there was an insult there it was not at China. The insult is at Apple for making products somewhere other than the US.

But that's an insult and quite xenophobic too! A globally distributed product designed mostly by a British designer with components designed by global talent...why should that be assembled in the US? Where are you going to find thousands of trained people and assembly lines at affordable cost in the US? And when they ship you your MBP with a faulty component...will you say 'Damn Apple. Why did they use Americans?'

Of course you won't.
 
It's right for Apple to focus on iPhone now.
Those development tools for writing iOS apps, are REALLY top notch IN iOS

:rolleyes:

Apple's approach is like putting all resources into making fine wine, but letting grapes go extinct. Eventually, ignoring/pissing off customers with the Mac lineup, is going to bite Apple in the arse.

Android is already shipping in almost 90% of mobile devices, and that percentage gets higher every quarter. Losing quarter after quarter, and ignoring the apps lifeblood is a viscous combination.
 
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My GF was force to return hers last friday. Green Screen took over her brand new shinny MacBook "PRO"? to the point where it was just sad to look at it.. The good news is Apple gave her a full refund and she was able to cope a 2015 MBP right on the spot for half the price of what she paid for the 2016 APPLE failure MBP.... Oh Steve please comeback to life my dude.. Apple Needs you badly...
 
But that's an insult and quite xenophobic too! A globally distributed product designed mostly by a British designer with components designed by global talent...why should that be assembled in the US? Where are you going to find thousands of trained people and assembly lines at affordable cost in the US? And when they ship you your MBP with a faulty component...will you say 'Damn Apple. Why did they use Americans?'

Of course you won't.
Yes! Anyone that wants Apple to manufacture products at home MUST be xenophobic and racist. Couldn't have anything to do with our economy and our anger that Apple stopped making things in the USA many years ago. I just must hate and fear Chinese people. I'll just forget my best friend and his family are Chinese. I must hate them. God son is Chinese...must hate him. I'll forget I have German family in Germany and a new born Nephew that is German. The foreign people must scare me, I hate them all!

So maybe instead of acting superior and calling everyone a racist and insulting them...you should just keep on subject. You don't know anything about anyone on here.
 
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I'm running really well and a couple things come to mind.this is my second top end unit and only reason was silver to space grey but both are working great. My question is Adobe products I'm using old CS6 package and only a I cloud or whatever they call it for adobe reader. Also I have firevault off and I have my graphics switch off which means I'm running the 460 all the time. I did take adobe premier and encoder off my machine and I don't have Lightroom either I use Capture One instead. I am hooked up to a NEC 27 wide gamut display. I'm wondering if Adobe CC is in conflict and also graphics switch is on for folks.im not running windows either or boot camp stuff. I run fairly a clean machine. Just something to look at for folks
 
Yes! Anyone that wants Apple to manufacture products at home MUST be xenophobic and racist.

Not MUST. But look at the wording on your original post. You blamed a whole nation of people. You blamed them for something they didn't even do wrong. The GPUs aren't even made in China or at Foxconn.

So yes you sounded xenophobic and ignorance and then to say the products should be assembled in the US...really now. I'm not asking you to confess or say sorry. I don't need your argument or excuses. Just think about what a wally you can sound like to others.
 
Yeah, that'll teach 'em.
LOL.
That's not the point of teaching them.
I had to shout somewhere :)))

Lost too much money on these GPU issues. I will not make personal upgrades on Macs until I see 2 - 3 gens of laptops without this issue.
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Stock price absolutely plummeting :eek:
I hope not! :))

Because they will solder GPUs with Super Glue so that Tim saves some money.
 
https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...-graphics-issues.2019261/page-4#post-24013597

Get one of my model used -- better machine without the *snazzy* touch bar.
Anybody else out there finding their 7-year-old MBP is living a better life than its less-than-successful successors?

My 2006 Macbook Core 2 Duo is still great with an SSD upgrade. If Apple didn't drop OS X support. I'm sure it would still be fine running macOS Sierra. I'm considering switching it to Windows 10 so it can run modern software.
 
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