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These guys (Verizon) have been crying iPhone like Chicken Little since the damn thing came out. Do you guys really think Steve Jobs would allow a measly carrier CEO to steal his thunder?? When the iPhone becomes available on Verizon or any other carrier in the U.S. believe me, Steve will announce it. That's what he does. That's his thing. He's not gonna let a bunch of carrier ass-clowns take away a publicity opportunity from Apple.
 
there is no way jobs would let seidenberg announce the first verizon iphone.
Why not? While the guts will be different, it'll still just be another iPhone. Steve doesn't need to announce the new phone for every single carrier. It's not like he's flying to the UK to announce the iPhone 4 on O2 or Vodafone.

The CDMA iPhone would have no additional functionality. It's just an iPhone on a different cellular network.
 
I have Flash on the Phone that I can turn on and off as I see fit. I can put an app on to hide ads.

1. How many times do you actually use flash?
Games don't work cause you need a mouse and keyboard to play them
Hulu blocked mobile phones with flash cause they want you to pay for Hulu Plus.
And doesnt the damn flash crash your browser half the time?
Flash has no good uses on a mobile phone.
Html5 df
2. So basically instead of supporting your developers who work hard to bring you a free application for you phone you block them so they don't make any money? Way to support android developers!
 
Now that we can all agree that the iPhone isn't coming to Verizon anytime soon

Let's speculate on when it will.

The exclusivity agreement ends in 2012, which is when Verizon should have their 4G LTE network up.

Is that when you think a Verizon iPhone will arrive?
 
And far more contracts DON'T get rewritten.

Get over it. No one is getting an iPhone on Verizon anytime soon.

This is fact.

Everything else is just imagination.
Nah, not fact. It's your assumption, but you have nothing irrefutable that proves when the exclusivity expires.

Fact would be a notarized statement from both AT&T and Apple stating that the original contract is still in effect (we'd need to see a copy of that document as well).
 
Nah, not fact. It's your assumption, but you have nothing irrefutable that proves when the exclusivity expires.

Fact would be a notarized statement from both AT&T and Apple stating that the original contract is still in effect (we'd need to see a copy of that document as well).

So your imagination says that court documents aren't facts?
 
So your imagination says that court documents aren't facts?
We don't know if those documents presented in court are still in effect.

Trust me, I don't really care either way if Verizon gets an iPhone or not, unless it helps boost Apple's bottom line. Personally, I'm still terribly skeptical about this CDMA iPhone rumor. The only thing that makes it remotely plausible are some of the supply chain rumors.

Babbling phone execs aren't persuasive at all.
 
Verizon will not allow iPhone

In 2007 Jobs demoed the first iPhone. He touted its ability to do other things while on the phone. Verizon CDMS network technically will never be able to support this feature. Imagine the iPhone is on the Verizon network. How soon do you think the iPhone users will let the world know this Verizon shortcomings?
 
The exclusivity agreement ends in 2012, which is when Verizon should have their 4G LTE network up.
Won't all the carriers have their LTE networks up by then?? If so I'd expect to see the iPhone on all of them. Apple makes one world phone. GSM is the current one. LTE will be the next one.
 
In 2007 Jobs demoed the first iPhone. He touted its ability to do other things while on the phone.

Wrong. He showed it doing calls on EDGE and data on WiFi. The first phone was EDGE only and could NOT do both voice and data at the same time over the cellular network.
 
Of course you do, since the documents state a 5 year exclusivity agreement.

THAT is fact.

Everything else is imagination.
You can rewrite contracts. That's what a mortage refi is. If I showed you a thirty-year mortgage that I signed in 1997, is it still valid? Maybe, maybe not. You don't know if I refinanced the loan (perhaps multiple times) or if I paid it off.

Same with a marriage license. You could have gotten divorced or annulled.
 
You can rewrite contracts. That's what a mortage refi is. If I showed you a thirty-year mortgage that I signed in 1997, is it still valid? Maybe, maybe not. You don't know if I refinanced the loan (perhaps multiple times) or if I paid it off.

I'm glad you agree that since no other contract was announced, the original 5 year exclusivity agreement remains.

Do you think they will ever announce a Verizon iPhone after the 5 year exclusivity agreement ends in 2012? Or do you think Apple will stick with AT&T?
 
Guys, there is no exclusivity deal. The exclusiveness has been generated of the fact that to get good product support in the US, Apple needed to pick between AT&T and Verizon. Verizon's network has the ludicrous problem of not allowing data and voice simultaneously. Couple the fact that Verizon has to mar every device it gets it's grubby, overpriced service, hand's on and try to declare it their own and make sure everyone knows it.

AT&T is willing to play with Apple the best it can, even if it is slow, even if there is a small sacrifice here and there. I love that my iPhone is proudly an Apple Device and doesn't broadcast in any fashion that it's some sort of AT&T model.

I just reread the article, he doesn't say it won't happen, but he doesn't really commit to it happening either. He opens it up saying it's in Apple's court, but we don't have the real facts here. We don't know what Verizon or Apple were demanding in any kind of agreement. The reality is Verizon likely had unreasonable demands for the device to live on their network.
 
Two things:

1) If the iphone 4 is so bad, then why does Verizon want it? ;)

2) The future is LTE, and the business model will have to change. We will buy a phone directly from Apple, Motorola, Samsung, etc., then you will pick your carrier. That is the future.
 
The exclusiveness has been generated of the fact that to get good product support in the US, Apple needed to pick between AT&T and Verizon.
Incorrect! Apple's deal was originally with Cingular. From the time of announcement of the iPhone to the time of release AT&T purchased Cingular.
 
I'm glad you agree that since no other contract was announced, the original 5 year exclusivity agreement remains.
Your reading comprehension is abysmal. I made no such statement.

It is quite possible that a new contract has replaced the original contract. Such a document does not need to be publicly disclosed. Concerning the court case, it might be sealed and not viewable to the public.
 
VCrap on my iPhone, I will pass. I've personally never had much of a problem with ATT other than the unlimited data they took away from me!
:apple:
 
As a fan of Yes Minister and Yes Prime Minister in the words of Jim Hacker,

Never believe anything until it has been officially denied"
 
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