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Of which no one practically has a use for on a daily basis. I use my phone more than anyone and I can tell you that in the past year there may have been 2 times when I wanted to use data while talking on the phone (and that was to use maps to direct someone that was lost on the road). Look at the commercials for it, all of them no one would do. Would you buy flowers just as you were telling your wife you'll be home for dinner? Seriously, is there really a practical use for it?

"Hold on, I'm on the phone, but I'm gonna go surf the web" - Honestly, it's not that big of a hit for Verizon.

Yes...your usage habits speak for everyone. right:rolleyes:

I use the feature quite a bit

OK.... so for all of those out there in Verizon land... and "OUR" 2 yr upgrade/renewal is around the corner, MINE IS MAR. 16th. OK... so Verizon kicks out the iphone the end of January. That means I HAVE TO WAIT TILL MID MARCH to get my upgrade to the iphone. WHEREAS: all the newbie Verizon customers get to get it before me when I've been a faithful customer for yrs now. And they get it as soon as it's released. Just doesn't seem fair to me. When I have been with Verizon first. But if I don't want to wait till March I will have to pay for the early upgrade.... Just a thought! UGGGH!

You realize you could get the new customer pricing if you switched to ATT right yet existing ATT customers have to wait till they can upgrade? Cuts both ways..
 
Of which no one practically has a use for on a daily basis. I use my phone more than anyone and I can tell you that in the past year there may have been 2 times when I wanted to use data while talking on the phone (and that was to use maps to direct someone that was lost on the road). Look at the commercials for it, all of them no one would do. Would you buy flowers just as you were telling your wife you'll be home for dinner? Seriously, is there really a practical use for it?

"Hold on, I'm on the phone, but I'm gonna go surf the web" - Honestly, it's not that big of a hit for Verizon.

"Hold on, let me look up the number for you."

"Hold on, let me look up the directions for you."

"Hold on, let me check Amazon for a price before you buy that."

"Hold on, I have the ingredients for that recipe in Evernote, let me pull that up."

Many of us do this all the time. We're not "surfing the web." We're getting information for people we're talking to. And yeah, it's kinda important.
 
"Hold on, let me look up the number for you."

"Hold on, let me look up the directions for you."

"Hold on, let me check Amazon for a price before you buy that."

"Hold on, I have the ingredients for that recipe in Evernote, let me pull that up."

Many of us do this all the time. We're not "surfing the web." We're getting information for people we're talking to. And yeah, it's kinda important.

It definitely appears this feature is important to you. But, I wouldn't generalize it's importance to everyone.
 
I would direct your post to who he quoted, which generalized how it was not important to anyone

That's often the problem with forums...as well as politics. Everyone exaggerates to the extreme left or right when the truth is usually somewhere in between.
 
Really? You really don't? Tech geeks are only a small portion of the Android market, contrary to what the internet might be leading you to believe. Most people who buy Android phones are just regular consumers who purchased a smartphone, and often-times the reason why the Android was picked over the iPhone is either 1) because that family is on a network other than AT&T, or 2) because that phone was free or 'BOGO', and those consumers, being typical consumers, are making their financial decision based on the up-front cost rather than long-term costs (where it starts to wash out).

Your thesis regarding the number of consumers who willingly choose Android over iOS is about to be proved/disproved when Verizon launches the iPhone. Of course Apple still needs to get on Sprint and T-Mobile to make it a completely fair fight...
 
Hey, don't blame us for web designers' work. Hardly the same group of people.
Don't blame the web designers either. With a company this size the problem almost always boils down to a red-tape laden bureaucracy with a totally assed up decision making process for site updates. :)

It definitely appears this feature is important to you. But, I wouldn't generalize it's importance to everyone.
How many folks really don't use this? The only real scenarios I can imagine are users who haven't really thought to use it (there's probably a lot of them) when they have the opportunity and users who aren't having phone calls which might warrant gathering information (kiddos, perhaps).

I use it frequently, even on simple calls. The most common reason for it is simply looking something up in Google Maps when coordinating with a friend/family, or a task similar to looking up movie times.
 
Don't blame the web designers either. With a company this size the problem almost always boils down to a red-tape laden bureaucracy with a totally assed up decision making process for site updates. :)


How many folks really don't use this? The only real scenarios I can imagine are users who haven't really thought to use it (there's probably a lot of them) when they have the opportunity and users who aren't having phone calls which might warrant gathering information (kiddos, perhaps).

I use it frequently, even on simple calls. The most common reason for it is simply looking something up in Google Maps when coordinating with a friend/family, or a task similar to looking up movie times.

Looking at movie times is the only time I can think I have used that feature. I expect they will either fix that sooner then later. It is not the problem that the number of dropped phone calls have been the last 3 1/2 years. I will be in line to switch back and I will gladly pay the early termination fee. Hopefully I'll get close to breaking even selling my AT&T phone on ebay.
 
Your thesis regarding the number of consumers who willingly choose Android over iOS is about to be proved/disproved when Verizon launches the iPhone. Of course Apple still needs to get on Sprint and T-Mobile to make it a completely fair fight...
How so? Really? :)

And those users I described often-times aren't picking Android over iOS—they're picking a nice phone, or a smartphone. There's a lot of folks out there who barely know what Android is, even when they're using Android.

Here's my theory: Apple is going to sell mountains of iPhones on Verizon. People are going to line up to buy it. It is going to be a really big deal, financially, and over time more users are going to migrate over to iOS as their contracts expire and they're subject to a little less propaganda from wireless providers (as they've got this choice here and there).

But this is not going to be the end of Android by any means. Android will remain popular among the crowd who simple hates all things Apple, some consumers who think a feature list is what defines a quality product, people who just simply like Android more (numerous tech folks who appreciate the customizability will fall into this category), and, the biggest group, people who are just out shopping for a smartphone, or a decent/nice phone, and don't really care what they get—they'll often-times make a financial decision and purchase that 'free' phone instead. Android will retain significant marketshare. It could grow as more low-end users buy up and smartphones become cheaper. But that doesn't mean much without understanding the market being shared.

Apple will take its bite, and it will eventually start to stabilize. The general market will be fought over the companies which are willing to compete on the low end of the price range. Android's success will largely be by eating through companies like Nokia, and their competition (in terms of marketshare) will come in the form of other OEM vendors (no real competition; we'll see about Windows) and decent competitors (RIM).

Of course, in the end, what matters for developers and companies is the actual money—and the users who spend it—and the company gobbling those users up is Apple (hand and fist over Android phones/vendors).
 
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Looking at movie times is the only time I can think I have used that feature. I expect they will either fix that sooner then later. It is not the problem that the number of dropped phone calls have been the last 3 1/2 years. I will be in line to switch back and I will gladly pay the early termination fee. Hopefully I'll get close to breaking even selling my AT&T phone on ebay.
Hey, if AT&T is sucking in your area (enough to warrant the trouble, relative to the importance of phone calls to you), and it is one of the places where Verizon kicks ass in terms of reliability, who could blame you for pulling the trigger?

You should recover a handsome amount from your iPhone on eBay.

This will, time and time again, boil down to one simple factor: what are the good providers in a person's area? Want an iPhone? Is either AT&T or Verizon a better choice? There are so many factors, and either may be better than the other. And those things might be trumped completely by a simple factor like everyone else in a person's family using AT&T, which could warrant sticking with AT&T even if they are only half as good as Verizon (or vice versa). Everyone has their opinion about these providers, but they're both jerks, and the decision really comes down to location.
 
"Hold on, let me look up the number for you."

"Hold on, let me look up the directions for you."

"Hold on, let me check Amazon for a price before you buy that."

"Hold on, I have the ingredients for that recipe in Evernote, let me pull that up."

Many of us do this all the time. We're not "surfing the web." We're getting information for people we're talking to. And yeah, it's kinda important.


Maybe u need friends that can do that for themselves......unless of course you're talking to them on their landline and they don't have a signal with AT&T :rolleyes:
 
Could someone please clarify the terms of Verizon's upgrade eligibility conditions? For example, I've always done the NE2 upgrades, and I'm eligible now for an upgrade. I think I'd prefer to just sign for one year this time, so what kind of discount do I receive on the new phone, and when can I upgrade again?
 
Could someone please clarify the terms of Verizon's upgrade eligibility conditions? For example, I've always done the NE2 upgrades, and I'm eligible now for an upgrade. I think I'd prefer to just sign for one year this time, so what kind of discount do I receive on the new phone, and when can I upgrade again?

Personally, on my more negative side, I usually say "Go with the worst possible thing for you and that's what you'll get.". I suspect you'll need to wait till after the announcement Tuesday before you get an answer though. Anything said now could change tomorrow.
 
I would direct your post to who he quoted, which generalized how it was not important to anyone

Ah, my bad. I see it now. While voice/data concurrent is nice to have, it's not a deal breaker for everyone. But, for some I suppose it is.
 
Many of us do this all the time. We're not "surfing the web." We're getting information for people we're talking to. And yeah, it's kinda important.

Doesn't seem to have stopped the 100 million subscribers currently on Verizon though. For people switching from AT&T to Verizon, could be an issue, for people going Verizon to Verizon? Not as much an issue that it's not there.
 
Ah, my bad. I see it now. While voice/data concurrent is nice to have, it's not a deal breaker for everyone. But, for some I suppose it is.

In the years that I was using a Blackberry on Verizon, I think I only ever really wanted to use data once while on a phone call. Definitely not a deal breaker for me.
 
In the years that I was using a Blackberry on Verizon, I think I only ever really wanted to use data once while on a phone call. Definitely not a deal breaker for me.
Yeah... but it was a Blackberry!

(Really—who wants to do battle with their previous OS in terms of data collection and navigation while on the phone? It's not a pleasant activity. It's a bit different on an iPhone. Although, still, it won't be everyone's bag of tea.)
 
"Hold on, let me look up the number for you."

"Hold on, let me look up the directions for you."

"Hold on, let me check Amazon for a price before you buy that."

"Hold on, I have the ingredients for that recipe in Evernote, let me pull that up."

Many of us do this all the time. We're not "surfing the web." We're getting information for people we're talking to. And yeah, it's kinda important.

see in my case I make phone calls maybe once a month.... if even...

however I send about 200 text messages in a day.

and you can text and use data
 
I laughed a little when I saw ATT's quote on this. My wife has an iPhone 3Gs on ATT and I have the Droid Inc. on Verizon, We both have full bars at home, I ran a speed test (with wifi off obviously) and the speeds are both very similar, around 2Mbps, and the web browsing is the same on both, so how is ATT so much faster then Verizon?

I am hoping the iphone comes to verizon tomorrow, really hoping they shock us and say it is LTE capable :)
 
I laughed a little when I saw ATT's quote on this. My wife has an iPhone 3Gs on ATT and I have the Droid Inc. on Verizon, We both have full bars at home, I ran a speed test (with wifi off obviously) and the speeds are both very similar, around 2Mbps, and the web browsing is the same on both, so how is ATT so much faster then Verizon?
If you read the thread you will find that data from one particular location isn't of any particular value in deciding one way or another.
 
I have never had speed issues with iphone or inc so in my case, the quote is irrelevant
 
I laughed a little when I saw ATT's quote on this. My wife has an iPhone 3Gs on ATT and I have the Droid Inc. on Verizon, We both have full bars at home, I ran a speed test (with wifi off obviously) and the speeds are both very similar, around 2Mbps, and the web browsing is the same on both, so how is ATT so much faster then Verizon?

I am hoping the iphone comes to verizon tomorrow, really hoping they shock us and say it is LTE capable :)

This has been my experience as well.
 
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