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"Few brand new"? Like any LTE phone released in the last year (if not earlier)? Regardless, what's your point? iPhone 5 design is clearly inferior to other LTE smartphones which do have more radios and antennas.

In one respect, yes. However, the Verizon/Sprint iPhone has superior global roaming capabilities to most of those other phones, since despite having more radios and antennas, most don't support the European LTE frequencies that the new iPhone does. It is also smaller and thinner than other LTE phones, which some people may value. Every manufacturer makes their own design decisions and compromises.
 
Yep a inferior design that is going to be a sales flop :rolleyes:

What does technical superiority has to do with sale numbers? Well, they are related somewhat. Perhaps that's one reason Samsung sells way more smart phones than Apple? Is it ironic that iPhone 5 is crippled on Verizon - the most developed (and really, the only decent) LTE network in the World?
 
While the FCC form says it isn't supported, that could mean the software doesn't currently support it (because almost no networks do). It doesn't necessarily mean the hardware is incapable. Software updates have triggered re-tests on same hardware in the past...

Cool good insight. Perhaps in a year we shall see. I hope sooner but I'll have to fall back to my iPad for my surf while I talk on my iPhone 5 I reckon...
 
"Few brand new"? Like any LTE phone released in the last year (if not earlier)? Regardless, what's your point? iPhone 5 design is clearly inferior to other LTE smartphones which do have more radios and antennas.

those were made especially for verizon and at&t

the international versions of the S3 have a different CPU and radio chip
 
What does technical superiority has to do with sale numbers? Well, they are related somewhat. Perhaps that's one reason Samsung makes way more smart phones than Apple?

There corrected it for you.

Is it ironic that iPhone 5 is crippled on Verizon - the most developed (and really, the only decent) LTE network in the World?

Verizon is working on updating to support simultaneous voice and data. Other carriers are following suite as well, MetroPCS for example. More like a carrier issue. Not an issue with AT&T.
 
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Verizon is working on updating to support simultaneous voice and data. Other carriers are following suite as well, MetroPCS for example. More like a carrier issue. Not an issue with AT&T.

What do you think Samsung does with the phones they make? Eat them? Besides, sales data gets reported by analysts (like IDC) no Samsung so there is absolutely no doubt that Samsung sells more smartphones than Apple.

Verizon s indeed working on VoLTE. It may take a year or ten. It's absolutely not a carrier issue. iPhone does not send voice over LTE on AT&T either. Thy use a separate protocol (for both data and voice). Apple was just too cheap to add second radio chip to iPhone. That's all there is to it. No seconds radio chip, no NFC chip, half RAM (even this is just a hope at this point), lower resolution screen - really a superior phone for Apple (less hardware, more profits).
 
What do you think Samsung does with the phones they make? Eat them? Besides, sales data gets reported by analysts (like IDC) no Samsung so there is absolutely no doubt that Samsung sells more smartphones than Apple.

Samsung makes what 10x different smart phones vs Apple's 3 different iPhones. I sure as hell hope Samsung can sell more smart phones then Apple.

Verizon s indeed working on VoLTE. It may take a year or ten. It's absolutely not a carrier issue. iPhone does not send voice over LTE on AT&T either. Thy use a separate protocol (for both data and voice). Apple was just too cheap to add second radio chip to iPhone. That's all there is to it. No seconds radio chip, no NFC chip, half RAM (even this is just a hope at this point), lower resolution screen - really a superior phone for Apple (less hardware, more profits).

Hmm, so you hope Apple used less RAM? Thanks for clarifiying that. You really are here for one thing and one thing only, bashing Apple. I guess someone like you even needs to get out from under that bridge once in a while don't you.

Just imagine if Apple starting using cheap plastic casing how much more money they could have made on their iPhone.
 
There corrected it for you.



Verizon is working on updating to support simultaneous voice and data. Other carriers are following suite as well, MetroPCS for example. More like a carrier issue. Not an issue with AT&T.

Technically, they have it right now. 4G LTE and CDMA you can talk and surf at the same time. This is old technology. About 1.5 years old. Honestly, this is a mess up on Apple's end.
 
CDMA is older than GSM.

back in mid 90's when analog networks were switched over to digital, it was CDMA and TDMA. GSM replaced TDMA


Umm GSM is not a type of network.

It is a standard.
EDGE for example which is GSM is also a TDMA type of network. GSM 3G is WCDMA. CDMA is newer than TDMA which is part of GSM
 
Same here. I have never understood all the hatred with AT&T, as I know several family members who have had horrible experiences with Verizon.

My experience with AT&T (over 4 years now), has been nothing but good.

I'm sure there are many more like you and I, who have had a positive experience with AT&T but it's typical for complaints to be voiced louder than the praises. Sure, they nickel & dime us when possible but what company doesn't?? Even our beloved Apple and their $30 adapter, which probably costs pennies to make.
 
The fact this only the iphone 5 has this limitation on verizon means its something to do with the single chip apple is using. No other LTE phone has this issue.

It seems like when on a call, only the CDMA and or GSM bands are working. Even on att, it drops you off of LTE and onto the 3g network.

The article you are commenting on says it is because there are not enough antennas.

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What do you think Samsung does with the phones they make? Eat them? Besides, sales data gets reported by analysts (like IDC) no Samsung so there is absolutely no doubt that Samsung sells more smartphones than Apple.

Verizon s indeed working on VoLTE. It may take a year or ten. It's absolutely not a carrier issue. iPhone does not send voice over LTE on AT&T either. Thy use a separate protocol (for both data and voice). Apple was just too cheap to add second radio chip to iPhone. That's all there is to it. No seconds radio chip, no NFC chip, half RAM (even this is just a hope at this point), lower resolution screen - really a superior phone for Apple (less hardware, more profits).

Wrong as usual.
Samsung only reports shipped units not sold units. That's why their tablet numbers were so high but we found through the trial that only a small amount sold and the rest were sitting in warehouses or unsold on store shelves and many had been returned to stores, or in the bargain bin at Costco.
Apple only reports sold as in sold to individual real people.
IDC has been consistently way wrong on things like this as most people already know and was proven during the Samsung Apple trial.
Finally units shipped or sold only matters as related to profits and Apple takes in 70% of mobile device profits.

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Yep a inferior design that is going to be a sales flop :rolleyes:

Heh, sheesh. Delusional isn't he? I'm not happy about this either but Apple will set sales records with the iPhone 5.

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Probably the same way TomTom handles it. ;)

As if Apple maps is Tom Tom which it isn't. If you took the trouble to know what you are talking about you would know that Apple maps are open street maps, some Tom Tom licensed features, and the rest from apple. Show me Tom Tom doing 3D maps as apple maps does.

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A lot of people seem to miss this point - tethering + voice is a huge deal for those of us who travel. And being able to use turn-by-turn while on the phone would be great too

Exactly. Or voice and looking something up while you are on a conference call driving, etc. Besides speed I was really looking forward to this on the iPhone 5. So I either go Android or AT&T and I want neither. I got off AT&T the second the iPhone became available on Verizon.

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With the surprises of the new Dock Connector, and inability for Verizon to transmit data+voice simultaneously, I honestly don't know if I want to get the new iPhone 5 anymore. I was super jazzed about the launch, and was willing to shell out $850 for an unsubsidized 64GB phone, but I don't think that's going to be happening until next year with the advent of 5S

The new connector is trivial. They had the same one for almost 10 years and the one is far better and allows a thinner phone.

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So while using the turn by turn maps you can't get a phone call and continue to be navigated?! Awful

App,e maps have extensive caching so in most cases you will be ok.
 
Probably the same way TomTom handles it. ;)
Actually, TomTom has a built in map. I don't believe Apple's solution does. So the question is does it have to access data at all.
As if Apple maps is Tom Tom which it isn't. If you took the trouble to know what you are talking about you would know that Apple maps are open street maps, some Tom Tom licensed features, and the rest from apple. Show me Tom Tom doing 3D maps as apple maps does.
That's not really related to whether you can access them while on the phone, though.
 
I have used both AT&T and Verizon and both have places where one is better than the other. AT&T didn't work as well for me in some places that I go often so I decided to switch. That doesn't make AT&T bad and it doesn't make Verizon great. If I lived somewhere else then it might be different.

It would have been nice to have the simultaneous voice and data on Verizon but I will just have to adjust. I didn't want to switch to a GSIII and that was my choice. No one needs android fans coming in here telling us how great Samsung is any more than android forums love having apple fanboys come on their boards and say that android phones are cheap plastic junk.
 
I don't miss not having to plug my phone into iTunes any :p

Never thought I'd say this... but I'm thinking of going for the Razr Maxx HD or S3. Just seems to beat the iPhone 5 in every way. I might wait for something without a pentile display though (GSIV?)

This is the first time I didn't preorder the latest iPhone since switching.
 
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Yipper, wish I had some Yuengling Black and Tan to go with that. Extra butter please:D

I'm out and about I will pick u some up...

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Never thought I'd say this... but I'm thinking of going for the Razr Maxx HD when it comes out. Have to try an android phone before switching though. But 720p, LTE, and super AMOLED (no pentile) sounds really tempting. If the software is even half as good as iOS, I'm jumping ship

This is the first time I didn't preorder the latest iPhone since switching.

I really enjoyed the droid razr. Smart actions were a great battery saver..
 
Never thought I'd say this... but I'm thinking of going for the Razr Maxx HD or S3. Just seems to beat the iPhone 5 in every way. I might wait for something without a pentile display though (GSIV?)

This is the first time I didn't preorder the latest iPhone since switching.

I was the same way had all the iPhones since the 3G. Never thought I'd switch. Happy I did though. BTW I'm not here to bash I still love my iPad and Mac etc...I just like the Galaxy more right now
 
Think of it, there are only 3 wireless providers in the world that use CDMA, 2 of them here in the US and one in Japan. The whole world is on GSM. Why would Apple add another antenna in their base design for a tiny number of users?


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Australian government got rid of CDMA over a decade back. No country other than US and Japan uses CDMA.



Wikipedia disagrees.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_CDMA2000_networks
 
Well that sucks too then... I expected the AT&T version to have LTE speeds while on call.

If it were capable of that then the Verizon version would also be able to do simultaneous voice and data. I think that is what we were all expecting but Apple chose not to do that. Oh well either people are ok with it or they will buy an android phone.
 
I spent quite a bit of time yesterday playing with both a GS3 and the Nokia Lumia. I liked the Lumia a lot. One can tell that Microsoft put a lot of work and thought into designing their OS. The GUI performance was very nice, smooth, polished. The hardware was nice, certainly better than what Samsung has. Not up to the iPhone level, but closer.

Samsung's GS3 was an absolute joke. Not only being made out of cheap plastic that felt like it would snap in two, but the performance of Android simply had me shaking my head in disappointment. Is this what you fandroid-koolaid drinkers defend? The performance was choppy, scrolling stutters, animation was crude, it's just pathetic in every way. Its so large you have to use two hands to use the device! Using the GS3 was painful. Google should be ashamed of themselves for making such a sloppy system. It's the ghetto of OS's

Shame on the fandroids for defending such a crappy system.

Voice and data at the same time, give me a break, that is such a useless feature.
 
Think of it, there are only 3 wireless providers in the world that use CDMA, 2 of them here in the US and one in Japan. The whole world is on GSM. Why would Apple add another antenna in their base design for a tiny number of users?

No country other than US and Japan uses CDMA.

False
Do your homework, there are plenty more.

http://businessportals.verizonwireless.com/international/technology/cdma.html

http://phone-solutions.pavemyway.com/Cdma-Operators/Cdma-Operators-List.php

I am in Indonesia and there are a few here.

Edit: hchung beat me to it.
 
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