LTE is backwards compatible with current CDMA handsets.
Apple wouldn't allow Verizon to do this
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Verizon iPhone in the Works?
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LTE is backwards compatible with current CDMA handsets.
Apple wouldn't allow Verizon to do this
The Storm didnt need any help from Verizon, BB did worst than Verizon could ever done to that wannabe Blackbery phone
lol
I posted this on the Howard Forums a while back...
If Apple really wants to own the wireless industry...
4th Gen iPhone will be sold non-exclusive to any carrier....
It will have:
Quadband GSM
Quadband HSDPA (850/1900/2100/1700AWS)
Dual Band CDMA 1xEV-DO rev. A (850/1900)
(TRUE WORLD PHONE... oh... and it is definitely possible... many Blackberries ... including the Storm support all of these modes.... except AWS 1700)
You should be able to buy it from any of the major carriers... for the same price... but maybe 1 carrier can strike a deal to be the exclusive carrier advertised and sold with iPhone at Apple stores (AT&T and Verizon would likely fight for this deal).
Sprint would be the clear winner when it comes to plan pricing... $99 Everything Plans are cheaper than all others.
Sprint, Verizon, T-Mobile and AT&T all already have a Visual Voicemail service in place.
Apple would be the clear winner... selling more iPhones than ever... which also make APP sales go through the roof.
Steve Jobs.... are you reading this?
If Apple really wants to own the wireless industry...
4th Gen iPhone will be sold non-exclusive to any carrier....
It will have:
Quadband GSM
Quadband HSDPA (850/1900/2100/1700AWS)
Dual Band CDMA 1xEV-DO rev. A (850/1900)
(TRUE WORLD PHONE... oh... and it is definitely possible... many Blackberries ... including the Storm support all of these modes.... except AWS 1700)
You should be able to buy it from any of the major carriers... for the same price... but maybe 1 carrier can strike a deal to be the exclusive carrier advertised and sold with iPhone at Apple stores (AT&T and Verizon would likely fight for this deal).
Sprint would be the clear winner when it comes to plan pricing... $99 Everything Plans are cheaper than all others.
Sprint, Verizon, T-Mobile and AT&T all already have a Visual Voicemail service in place.
Apple would be the clear winner... selling more iPhones than ever... which also make APP sales go through the roof.
Steve Jobs.... are you reading this?
its not happening. look at the ipad. no contract with att yet who has it? att? yea. so get over it.
Actually. AT&T doesn't need to add CDMA for their phones to be true world phones, Verizon needs to add GSM for their phones to be true world phones. Hence AT&T can market all of their tri- and quad-band GSM phones as world phones. Because they are. Whereas Verizon can only apply that same marketing to their GSM-friendly phones.
Exactly, the fact that a GSM phone supports Quadband makes it a worldwide phone.
Good luck getting CDMA signal in the down under in a couple of years.
Competition is good.
If both VZ and AT&T offer iphones, it will only mean goodness for us, the consumer, so I think we should encourage VZ to carry the iphone IMP... it will mean either better service, lower prices or both from both carriers vying for customers .. since now there are choices for consumers to choose who their service provider is. Does it matter what features to each of us? In the end each individual will choose his/her provider based on their needs.. what each of us opines here won't matter..
Apple wins either way. More users to the AppStore.. more purchasing of iphones, more users into the iphone economy..
So go VZ go.. and lower my AT&T bill..
If both VZ and AT&T offer iphones, it will only mean goodness for us, the consumer, so I think we should encourage VZ to carry the iphone IMP... it will mean either better service, lower prices or both from both carriers vying for customers .. since now there are choices for consumers to choose who their service provider is. Does it matter what features to each of us? In the end each individual will choose his/her provider based on their needs.. what each of us opines here won't matter..
Apple wins either way. More users to the AppStore.. more purchasing of iphones, more users into the iphone economy..
So go VZ go.. and lower my AT&T bill..
I hope they do go to verizon. Maybe it will force ATT to fix the holes in their service in my area and where I drive. I see it as a win win for everyone. Heck, throw in a little price competition too.
Will it happen, my opinion is no.
Will it happen, my opinion is no.
Talk+data at the same time is possible on 2G GSM. This has to be supported by the network (many european networks do) and the device (many simple Nokia and SE handsets do). Because GPRS data is slow and gets even slower while talking the use of this feature is limited.
It is also possible to do EDGE ("GSM 2.5G") while talking if supported by both the handset and the network.
Christian
The deals are not revolutionary. Maybe for the US but not internationally.
Apple could also just wait for LTE.
Same technical problem: Verizon is not using standard that is most common internationally.
If the requirement is: Use the standard that's prevelant internationally, then Verizon is out.Choice is good. Hopefully Apple makes available the iPhone to all of the carriers who meet their requirements. Customers should have a choice of what network they want to use based on the quality in the area they live or the plans that work best for them. What a concept!
Actually, in all of these countries, there are 3G GSM (UMTS) networks.
That's b/s. Firstly, EDGE is a 3G standard, according to ITU's classification. Then, in many countries, networks use EDGE for rural areas and UMTS for urban areas.
BTW, LTE is 3G, too. Only LTE-Advanced is 4G.
GSM = 2G
GSM w/ GPRS = 2G w/ some 3G features: packet data transmission but too slow for 3G (speed above 64 kbit/s)
EDGE = evolutionary 3G standard (ie compatible with GSM)
UMTS = FOMA = W-CDMA/TD-SCDMA = revolutionary 3G standard (incompatible with GSM but dual-mode phones are prevalent)
HSPA(+) = just a faster update of UMTS
LTE = 3G w/ some 4G features: uses Internet Protocol for voice (a/k/a NGN) but too slow for 4G
LTE-Advanced = 4G
People assume CDMA is what a Verizon phone means, but I am betting they will never release a CDMA phone. The phone is likely an LTE 4G phone to be launched with Verizon's 4G network later this year that incidentally will be compatible with AT&T's 4G network when it appears next year.
Nice break down and analysis.
Nice break down and analysis.
I'm sticking with GSM and good international coverage. Which means ATT or T-Mobile, and I don't see an iPhone being avaiable for T-Mobile...
However a 4G Phone? Fun, however I need world wide use.
Verizon CDMA iPhone in September. The hardware issues are trivial compared to negotiating a business model with Verizon and that's apparently already done.
Unlikely
It's very unlikely that Apple would release a LTE only phone right now, because assuming that Verizon got the LTE network running on time there still wouldn't be enough coverage for it to be useful. It would need CDMA coverage as well for voice/data back up. Imagine if the current iPhones only ran on 3g, there would be even more dropped calls/coverage no zones.
It's very unlikely that Apple would release a LTE only phone right now, because assuming that Verizon got the LTE network running on time there still wouldn't be enough coverage for it to be useful. It would need CDMA coverage as well for voice/data back up. Imagine if the current iPhones only ran on 3g, there would be even more dropped calls/coverage no zones.
While I welcome the long overdue appearance of the iPhone on Verizon, can't they simply make a GSM/CDMA dual model?
I don't want to have to carry a second phone for use outside of the US.
Edit: and I see my sentiment matches many others on this thread...
I don't want to have to carry a second phone for use outside of the US.
Edit: and I see my sentiment matches many others on this thread...
One of the things that had quashed some of the earlier Verizon rumors a year or so ago was a reported shortage of the Qualcomm GSM/CDMA chips preventing the build of a sufficient quantity of such phones, not to mention the economics of scale that the low volume imposed. My suspicion is that those issues are resolved allowing a Verizon phone in sufficient quantities at an appropriate price that provides an adequate margin.
They could but it requires two radios and the iPhone is already tightly packed.
I wonder if they could use qualcomm's chip that will include SVDO. They say SVDO will be a part of all their chips the middle of this year. If I read correctly, if the tower is 1X now, no channel card (infrastructure) changes need to be made. Who knows, we'll see (only apple knows what they are going to do).
Link to doc:
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/12656761/CDMA-1X-Advanced-%E2%80%93-Four-Fold-Increase-in-Voice-Capacity
Link to doc:
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/12656761/CDMA-1X-Advanced-%E2%80%93-Four-Fold-Increase-in-Voice-Capacity
I think the whole question comes down to whether or not Apple wants to invest in CDMA technology. There are few CDMA providers worldwide, two in the U.S., and one of them is going with LTE. Granted, you would need the CDMA radio to fall back on if they made a Verizon-based phone but they may rather just wait until Verizon gets LTE out and then release it for the provider.
That would mean at least 3 years and probably 5. LTE still seems to be fighting over the voice spec and will probably be mainly for data for a while. Oh well