Expensive? Sure, but an option none the less.
Besides, if I'm traveling internationally I'm blowing some cash anyway, or getting reimbursed by my company.
So for all practical purposes the argument still stands.
Verizon iPhone in the Works?
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Expensive? Sure, but an option none the less.
Besides, if I'm traveling internationally I'm blowing some cash anyway, or getting reimbursed by my company.
So for all practical purposes the argument still stands.
MBP15C2D4GBLED
macrumors newbie
Not really. See my earlier post. I have heard from business owners who say it is not cost effective to allow employees to use their USA phones in Europe (or other countries) since the roaming fees make it cheaper to lease a local phone w/plan to the customer.
I will contend that if your company has the pockets, then so be it, but I don't think that is the case for *most* business owners.
deconstruct60
macrumors G5
1. Because they can't trade on insider information without running risk of going to jail.
2. In certain conditions if handed stock as compensation you owe the tax man. If have to sell some of them to pay the tax man why not sell much more (and diversify your position )
3. As named executives there are only certain times during calendar year can sell stock. These are time windows to minimize the appearance of trading on inside information.
4. The stock is currently at an all time high. It has never been this high before. It is a good time to sell. ( or at least adjust your portfolio balance).
In other words, has jack squat to do with this story being true or not.
DakotaGuy
macrumors 601
I'd be interested to see what you will say if it does happen since you seem very adamant that a Verizon iPhone is not a possibility.
I don't know if it will happen or not, but if Android continues to gain market share in the US a one carrier strategy might not be sustainable long term.
I guess we will find out. Probably just a rumor since it seems Apple and AT&T have a good relationship. A Verizon iPhone would do some damage to AT&T market share and I don't think Apple is going to do that to their best partner.
I disagree. Most businesses that I'm aware of that have people going overseas are having them take their own phones because of email if nothing else. Most of the carriers have plans available for short-term international roaming. Yes, for basic communication a local pre-paid would be cheaper, but that isn't the primary consideration, nor is it a particularly big piece of an executive's travel budget.
AidenShaw
macrumors P6
Not really....
Verizon sells a number of quad band CDMA + GSM phones - the new Iphone could easily have both GSM (for travel) and CDMA (for USA).
alexhasfun28
macrumors regular
I rather have an iPhone on the Sprint network than on Verizon Wireless.
Good points but if you really think that has nothing to do with this story just stop and think your company just handed you 300,000 shares you only need to sell 100,000 shares to cover your taxes and 9 months from now your going to introduce a new phone to 91 million new customers your dumping all 300,000 shares. B.S.
albusseverus
macrumors 6502a
Every 6 months Verison starts a rumour that they're getting iPhone, in hopes of pressuring Apple into making a CDMA iPhone. It never happens. It's not going to happen. And it reeks of desperation, so you can imagine how much respect Verison gets from Apple.
This is just more of the same. Nothing to see here! Move along!
Apple MIGHT make a different phone for China where potential customers number in the BILLIONS, but a dying technology like CDMA? Seriously? From the company that brought you no-floppy and display port?
This is just more of the same. Nothing to see here! Move along!
Apple MIGHT make a different phone for China where potential customers number in the BILLIONS, but a dying technology like CDMA? Seriously? From the company that brought you no-floppy and display port?
aristotle
macrumors 68000
South Korea = irrelevant for non-Korean companies. Apple was one of the first outside handset brands from outside of Korea to be allowed into the market. Previously, there was a stringent approval process required for any handset to operate on Korean networks. Each phone had to be registered with the government. Much like, Japan, the market in Korea is largely dominated "feature" phones rather than smart phones.
CDMA in Korea is not CDMA2000 like Sprint and Verizon in the US and Bell/Telus in Canada use on their old network. The Korean CDMA uses SIM cards so CDMA phones for the Korean market will not work on North American carriers or visa versa.
China's system is also incompatible with North American CDMA. Apple probably does not want to target China Unicom as a CDMA carrier because the percentage of subscribers who would actually buy an iPhone let alone be able to afford one is miniscule. China's cellular users are generally too poor to be able to afford mobile data services.
The advantage of GSM is that is a worldwide standard.
I disagree. Verizon has 80 million customers. Let say Apple makes a CDMA iPhone for Verizon and only 5-10% buys an iPhone...that's still 4-8 million new iPhone sale. When Verizon and ATT all go LTE that will mean all these "old" iPhone will need to be UPGRADED. Bingo...more sales to replace old phones....
Correct me if I am wrong, doesn't ChinaMobile use CDMA ? Most of the phones they sell have dual chip GSM and CDMA. Apple can but will not do it. Neither Apple nor the wireless carriers want the consumer to have the ability to switch carriers without having to switch phone (call it barrier to switch).
kdarling
macrumors P6
1) Apple's first model was EDGE only, a fairly dead technology in the rest of the world, which had skipped it and gone straight to 3G.
2) The "billions" argument has already proven bogus. Not many populations outside of a half dozen affluent nations can afford the data plan or even have 3G access. The US market has always been far and away the best for Apple.
More important than even sales, is the fact that Android has gotten a large foothold partly because of Apple ignoring the CDMA market. Patent lawsuit attempts alone are not going to stem that tide.
newyorksole
macrumors 603
Finally someone understands.
Don't you guys think that Apple has close ties with the WSJ?! This info. is more than likely true.
Damn, Verizon is EXPENSIVE! 2 smartphone plan with 700 minutes will run $159.95 + taxes.
Oh, they charge $1.99 for "detailed bill"! are you fricking kidding me?! It's you job to provide my billing record so I can make sure you are not ripping me off.
Visual voicemail $4.99?! huh?
Oh, they charge $1.99 for "detailed bill"! are you fricking kidding me?! It's you job to provide my billing record so I can make sure you are not ripping me off.
Visual voicemail $4.99?! huh?
1. The price of the stock is at an all time high.
2. There is a high probability that the stock market will have a double dip
before this year is out. Unemployed people (around 20% of the work force)
don't have there mind on an iPhone.
3. The government will be reaching deeper into your pockets for your money
with the Bush tax cuts expiring.
4. This is not rocket science, SELL!
kdarling
macrumors P6
It is still a version of CDMA2000. In fact, South Korea was the first country to implement EVDO back in 2002, and still supports it.
What advantage is that to most Americans? It sure doesn't mean better 3G coverage. It used to mean a better choice of phones, but that has changed radically in the past few years.
As far as the iPhone goes, being locked to an ATT SIM removes a big GSM advantage. Even Verizon will unlock the GSM/UMTS side of their so-called World Phones.
I would love to see Apple do a CDMA+GSM phone, without locks.
According to my operator's roaming information site, my Nokia CDMA phone (6275i) can roam in the US, China and South Korea. There must be some level of compatibility there.
Edit: See kdarling's post above.
Edit 2: An engineer from Telecom NZ indicates that NZ, US, China, Japan and Korea are all compatible:
PeterQVenkman
macrumors 68020
What's that story about the boy who cried "wolf"?
I'll believe it when I see it. not before.
I'll believe it when I see it. not before.
Michael CM1
macrumors 603
Apple is running out of new customers because only so many people use AT&T. Most people will wait until the phone dies to upgrade, which means Apple has to keep looking for new customers. If 1/3 of the country is on Verizon, that means a huge potential market.
I want the iPhone to hit everybody so maybe some of the sweet deals I see with other carriers will be forced upon AT&T. I'm paying about $75/month for my phone with 200 text messages that I really only add because others have started to send texts to me. It's really a jack. I have a friend on Sprint with a BlackBerry. She pays $70 for unlimited data AND text.
I would think about switching if I didn't live halfway out in the boondocks. I know my cell signal around here. I have no clue what Verizon or anybody else would be like. Therefore I'd love for AT&T's hand to be forced with iPhone competition.
jav6454
macrumors Core
Oh God, this x1000
Absolutely. Verizon and Sprint are a juicy market.
Moreover, Apple must be realizing that staying away from CDMA has allowed Android, RIM, and even Palm to get sales and footholds they otherwise wouldn't have.
There's no doubt more handsets will support UMTS+LTE, which is why Rogers and others added UMTS. However, just as now, there likely will also be a good set of CDMA+LTE choices.
You have to much hopes and dreams with you. Want AT&T to crush them like they did with the iPad/Verizon hopes/dreams? You acknowledged the iPad's victories in respect to pricing were a clear sign that the agreement of AT&T/Apple just got stronger with respects to iPhone exclusivity.
Don't try to sugar coat a rumor, just like the countless other Verizon/iPhone rumors before hand, this will just end in disaster for Verizon fanboys.
Well, you can pretty much compare Android/iPhone OS to the Mac/Windows drama in the '80s. Steve does care about market share, but not at the expense of quality. True the iPhone could benefit from more carriers, but I see the more carriers thing being on T-Mobile rather then Verizon.
Apple/Steve has a long vindictive memory and I bet they won't do business with a company that turned them down and now a days carries on bashing their product with their latest ad campaign. T-Mobile on the other hand, has the GSM network, the crazy speeds (read: 21Mb/s; although not everywhere, but a virgin network) and the customer base. Add to that equation the fact that T-Mobile has really competitive plans. You got a better suited iPhone carrier than Verizon. Also, Apple wouldn't have to redesign the baseband controls, all they have to do is tell Infineon to adjust the frequencies to support T-Mobile's 3G and there ya go.
MBP15C2D4GBLED
macrumors newbie
I'm not sure what industry your are in, but I am in semi, and they are leasing phones in destination country, my industry isn't hurting right now, at least compared to most others
What are you in, legal?
Maybe this should be placed into InTrade
thatguysmells
macrumors regular
Exactly right. Just like my Blackberry Storm 2 has. Plus when you go over sees with a BB Storm 2 you can pop in a local networks GSM sim card and be using their network on your phone. With the iPhone, if you don't want to roam over sees, you leave iPhone at home and use a cheap pre paid phone while visiting the Louvre.
kdarling
macrumors P6
Don't confuse business facts or opinions with end desires. Although I think it makes great business sense, Apple on Verizon is not my dream.
I use Verizon for business and would prefer to have as few other smartphones as possible competing for my bandwidth.
I'm happy that Apple didn't make a Verizon iPhone right away. Instead, Apple has given their competition plenty of leeway to get going, which is good for innovation. Otherwise we'd be stuck with the same old 1980s icon grid paradigm.
