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when you sign the contract in the first place, you agree to pay monthly bills for two years. yet when you break the contract, you aren't owed the normal billing rate times the number of months remaining on contract, are you? that's what the etf is for.

Don't know. It seems unlikely VZW would leave a gaping loophole such as this especially when they went through the time and effort to change the purchase agreement for subsidized phones.
 
Well that is no longer true if VZW changed the terms of using a subsidy. Now is it? If you are agreeing to pay for a data plan for 2 years by buying a phone on subsidy, by breaking your contract you still owe the remainder of the data plan.

edit: Of course, I don't know that for a fact, but I don't think you do either.
If they meant that they would have adjusted the ETF or would have at least mentioned that somewhere in relation to breaking the contract. Since none of that has happened then what is written in the terms as far as breaking the contract still applies. I understand what you are implying, but since what you are saying hasn't actually happened (hasn't been reflected in the terms in relation to breaking the contract) it means that it doesn't apply to it.

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Don't know. It seems unlikely VZW would leave a gaping loophole such as this especially when they went through the time and effort to change the purchase agreement for subsidized phones.
That's not what what their change was for it was for people changing to lower priced $9.99 feature phone lines and thus not really paying off the subsidy they got for a more expensive smartphone. The ETF already accounts for that when they changed to have higher ETF for smartphones and a lower one for feature phones, so that the subsidy is recovered in a more appropriate proportion. So from the side of things of breaking the contract they already addressed this "loophole" when they introduced the higher ETF for smartphones.
 
If they meant that they would have adjusted the ETF or would have at least mentioned that somewhere in relation to breaking the contract. Since none of that has happened then what is written in the terms as far as breaking the contract still applies. I understand what you are implying, but since what you are saying hasn't actually happened (hasn't been reflected in the terms in relation to breaking the contract) it means that it doesn't apply to it.

No one really knows what the meaning of "agree to keep a data plan on the line for two years" means in terms of terminating that particular line.

Actually let me be clearer. Assuming one buys a phone on subsidy on a line with an upgrade and transfers it to a line with UDP.

- You then terminate the UDP line and pay the ETF, but still have the other line with a 2 year data commitment. That line is still open.

You want to terminate that line as well and here are the choices:
- Verizon will let you terminate it, will charge you the outstanding balance owed on the line.
- Verizon will mandate the line stays active for two years.
- Verizon will let you walk away from it.

Which one do you think is the probable scenario?
 
Will verizon accept the trade in in store? Don't want to wait weeks for the gift card, want to use it to buy the phone on fri. Do you think verizon will refund the extra $10 on my bill the past few months? I was not informed there was a discount for being out of contact that has to be manually applied.
 
Question

Thanks so much for your help. I've been following the threads but just wanted to get some thoughts.

Line 1: UDP (eligible) iphone 5
Line 2: TDP <wifes> (eligible) iphone 4s

I've already ordered a 6 plus off of Line 2 and initially had planned to just use that upgrade on Line 1 to save the UDP, but the wife wants a new phone as well.
Can I order the iPhone 6 off Line 1 from Apple and do the best buy method? There is no option to maintain current plan, so do we simply choose 2 GB? Can I use the iPhone 6 with my own sim when it comes in on the 19th and then once the iPhone 6 plus comes (early oct), activate it on Line 2 (business as usual) and then swap the sims so that Line 1 now has the Plus and Line 2 has the 6. Would there be any problems with maintaining my UDP on Line 1?
 
Thanks so much for your help. I've been following the threads but just wanted to get some thoughts.

Line 1: UDP (eligible) iphone 5
Line 2: TDP <wifes> (eligible) iphone 4s

I've already ordered a 6 plus off of Line 2 and initially had planned to just use that upgrade on Line 1 to save the UDP, but the wife wants a new phone as well.
Can I order the iPhone 6 off Line 1 from Apple and do the best buy method? There is no option to maintain current plan, so do we simply choose 2 GB? Can I use the iPhone 6 with my own sim when it comes in on the 19th and then once the iPhone 6 plus comes (early oct), activate it on Line 2 (business as usual) and then swap the sims so that Line 1 now has the Plus and Line 2 has the 6. Would there be any problems with maintaining my UDP on Line 1?

If you upgrade line 1, you will lose unlimited data. There's no way to actually use that line's upgrade and keep it (to my knowledge).
 
No one really knows what the meaning of "agree to keep a data plan on the line for two years" means in terms of terminating that particular line.

Actually let me be clearer. Assuming one buys a phone on subsidy on a line with an upgrade and transfers it to a line with UDP.

- You then terminate the UDP line and pay the ETF, but still have the other line with a 2 year data commitment. That line is still open.

You want to terminate that line as well and here are the choices:
- Verizon will let you terminate it, will charge you the outstanding balance owed on the line.
- Verizon will mandate the line stays active for two years.
- Verizon will let you walk away from it.

Which one do you think is the probable scenario?
You terminate a line with a contract you pay the applicable ETF. Nothing related to that has changed. If it has, feel free to show that. Aside from that, speculating thst simething might have or could or whatnot doesn't mean that it has until it can be shown. So far the only thing that can be shown that is still part of the contract is that what was there for a while, that the ETF applies. Maybe it could change, but nothing is there to indicate that.
 
You terminate a line with a contract you pay the applicable ETF. Nothing related to that has changed. If it has, feel free to show that. Aside from that, speculating thst simething might have or could or whatnot doesn't mean that it has until it can be shown. So far the only thing that can be shown that is still part of the contract is that what was there for a while, that the ETF applies. Maybe it could change, but nothing is there to indicate that.

Exactly.
 
You terminate a line with a contract you pay the applicable ETF. Nothing related to that has changed. If it has, feel free to show that. Aside from that, speculating thst simething might have or could or whatnot doesn't mean that it has until it can be shown. So far the only thing that can be shown that is still part of the contract is that what was there for a while, that the ETF applies. Maybe it could change, but nothing is there to indicate that.

I don't know if a specific clause applies to this which is what I'm suggesting. As this is new wording one doesn't know although what you say makes sense.
 
I don't know if a specific clause applies to this which is what I'm suggesting. As this is new wording one doesn't know although what you say makes sense.
And what I'm basically saying as well as some others (including the OP) is that it shouldn't and effectively doesn't unless there's something specific and different that comes out to indicate that it actually does (which in itself would be another separate change to the terms essentially).
 
Thanks so much for your help. I've been following the threads but just wanted to get some thoughts.

Line 1: UDP (eligible) iphone 5
Line 2: TDP <wifes> (eligible) iphone 4s

I've already ordered a 6 plus off of Line 2 and initially had planned to just use that upgrade on Line 1 to save the UDP, but the wife wants a new phone as well.
Can I order the iPhone 6 off Line 1 from Apple and do the best buy method? There is no option to maintain current plan, so do we simply choose 2 GB? Can I use the iPhone 6 with my own sim when it comes in on the 19th and then once the iPhone 6 plus comes (early oct), activate it on Line 2 (business as usual) and then swap the sims so that Line 1 now has the Plus and Line 2 has the 6. Would there be any problems with maintaining my UDP on Line 1?


If you upgrade line 1, you will lose unlimited data. There's no way to actually use that line's upgrade and keep it (to my knowledge).

that's not entirely true. loopholes exist and can be found.
 
I am sorry if this has been answered but

I have 4 lines
1=unlimited main line (upgrade available)
2=2GB data (no upgrade at this time)
3=Dumb phone no data (upgrade available)
4=Dumb phone no data (upgrade available)

so far I moved the #1 upgrade from #1 to #2 and pre ordered 6+ on #2 line
When it comes in I want to switch #2 6+ to line #1 (should not be a problem?)(so I activate first on line2 then switch?)

then take either #3 or #4 and transfer to #2 and get a 6 for line 2 (do I have to wait any amount of time to do this and is it possible?)

I had to switch to a new plan as some stated here:mad:

I have not used over 4 gig on both data lines at all in the past year sooo I hope I don't go over, I set my data reminders for 75% 90% and 100%.

I also am supposed to get 1 gig of data for life extra, BUT so far am unable to see any reference to that at all on my account??

I did order the 6 not + for my wife in gold 64 gig and delivery is 9/19 and still have the 128gig + coming for me on 10/28 or sooner
 
Is it normal to have a newly added line not show up anywhere on the account at this stage? I pre-ordered a new line on my wife's account Friday morning, got an confirmation email with my new number and everything. I even got a tracking number yesterday. Funny thing is, no where on her Verizon online account does it show this new line or the receipt/order history for it. Just pre-ordered her line today, and the order history is showing, the line reports a pending hardware upgrade, etc. Worried that they somehow are going to activate this as a new account instead of adding on the line to hers.
 
that's not entirely true. loopholes exist and can be found.

Hi,
It does not matter, verizon has started issuing out emails or texts to people that have unlimited data and go over 2.5 gig, saying they are going to be or are being throttled for 2 months, I did a search and verified this to be true, they want us off the old plan. You may be able to maybe save ULD for a short time but you will get switched one way or the other. verizon is aware of the loopholes and are closing them FAST!!

edit: those emails were only supposed to go to heavy data users BUT I found someone that got one (in one of the forums somewhere) saying they never go over 2 gig and last month they went to 2.6 gig or something and received the email.

edit 2: for me it is not worth the hassle of cutting sims, ect.. my bill is just $10 more with the new plan, it sucks but all other carriers in my area except att (and att is the same or more that verizon soo) suck. I looked up t mobile in my area and people complain about dropped calls, that I can not have, and sprint coverage is very poor.

If you think it may be worth it for 2,3, maybe 8 months go for it, but me NO WAY
 
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Is anything in the contract saying how long you have to keep the plan going with the new phone before you can cancel and do the ETF?

Example - Can I cancel on 9/19 when I get my phone and switch carriers?

Or

Am I required to wait until after the 14 day return period?

I just want to be responsible for the ETF and not have Verizon tell me I owe them the phone back or full retail price.

Thanks.
 
How can you buy a iPhone 6 for verizon off contract

I usually just walk into Best Buy or Verizon store and say I want a phone, no contract, thank you kindly take my $749 and walk out.

I have unlimited data, talk and text for $120 a month...so wish I had a discount code, but I work for myself.

The new plan they told me was $110 for only 4gb which is my average.

To be fair, I did look and notice that facebook was taking a lot of transfer. So I disabled that autoplay stuff. Hope that lowers it...before I was using roughly 1gb a month.
 
I usually just walk into Best Buy or Verizon store and say I want a phone, no contract, thank you kindly take my $749 and walk out.

I have unlimited data, talk and text for $120 a month...so wish I had a discount code, but I work for myself.

The new plan they told me was $110 for only 4gb which is my average.

To be fair, I did look and notice that facebook was taking a lot of transfer. So I disabled that autoplay stuff. Hope that lowers it...before I was using roughly 1gb a month.

Or you could do the 2GB plan for $60 then the overage is only $15 / GB ($90 for 4gb)
 
I'm not quite sure about that either. Definitely something on Apple's end. Why don't you just order it through Verizon?

4 hours of phone support from verizon and apple basically blaming each other. So frustrating...

I would of ordered from verizon if I could of gotten through but never was able to.
 
4 hours of phone support from verizon and apple basically blaming each other. So frustrating...

I would of ordered from verizon if I could of gotten through but never was able to.

Ah, yeah, I understand. Sorry about that; it's frustrating.
 
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