Verizon iPhone to Ship in A Few Weeks with Unlimited Data Plans?

[DiamondMac]

You've lived too long in an echo chamber. Even a 1 GB cap is overkill for "average" iPhone users. Now, for the top 5% of users, 2 GB is probably about right. For the top 1%, it would probably be around 10GB. ATT would probably love to get rid of these customers.

Well no, I consider my world to be reality when this forum and just about every tech forum in general sees the high majority of their users consistently hitting near the 2gb line.....Add in the average user increasing their data at a HIGH rate (which just about all stats show) with more and more companies releasing products to be used on the phone

The 2gb line is still utterly laughable and even for those who think 2gb is far and away enough now, in another year or so, even MORE will be coming across the line and so forth.

Put simply, the 2gb cap was put in place to SCREW consumers. Not stop abusers and not to give average consumers whatever they need.

 

[edi800]

Jobs doesn't have to fly in.

Heh maybe he'll fly in like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBXPl4zBilo

 

[RonHC]

If the Verizon iPhone doesn't come out, I think its safe to say we can debunk the Wall Street Journal for posting rumors or "leaks" from "people familiar with the matter"

 

[Rafterman]

So CDMA won't allow concurrent voice/data access? This is kind of a dealbreaker for me since I use my iPhone as my GPS most of the time, and I need to be able to answer a call at the same time.

Can anybody confirm this is a limitation?

You can't use CDMA phone and data at the same time. But I'm not sure about GPS. GPS is a different part of the chip and I think phone/GPS and internet/GPS will work. But phone/internet and phone/internet/GPS combos won't work.

 

[NKT]

If the Verizon iPhone doesn't come out, I think its safe to say we can debunk the Wall Street Journal for posting rumors or "leaks" from "people familiar with the matter"

Nah, they'll just find someone "more familiar"

 

[NeverhadaPC]

Yes, the very same reason. If everyone on ATT used 20GB then service would be much more reliable. And if only everyone used more power and paid less for it in CA, there would never be blackouts. Right.

How do you draw that conclusion?

Caps on networks (or failure to supply desired demand) is a direct result of the customer base (the demand) being too large for the network. Even if the caps are really large....

If ATT, VZ, (ComCast, TWC, etc) all updated their networks to become part of the 21st century and actually accommodated their customer base, the speeds would be far greater, there would be no need for bandwidth caps.

 

[kdarling]

I'm interested in all the surrounding stuff that might come with a Verizon partnership:

1) Verizon always offers insurance for their phones. Is this going to happen with the iPhone?

2) Verizon always brands their phones. If they can't put it on the phone itself, will they include a cheap case skin with the VZW checkmark on it?

3) One of the reasons Verizon turned down Apple the first time, was because Apple didn't want to allow sales through partners such as Best Buy or Walmart. Well, we know Apple dropped that restriction long ago. So who will carry the phone right away?

All assuming there is such a thing, of course!

 

[fabianjj]

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I can confirm this is NOT a limitation. I have a Droid Eris on VZW and more than once, I've been using it as a GPS, had a call come in, picked up and talked, and went right back to using GPS. Sometimes, it will freeze while making the switch from GPS to cellular and back again, but my guess is this has more to do with the phone than the network (the Eris is a piece of crap).



Hehe, says the man with the username "NoExpectations"

It is a well documented restriction of Verizon's implementation of CDMA...NO CONCURRENT VOICE and DATA. MAybe your GPS App had a local database to work off of.

....from Noexpectations with some expectations after all.

The gps database does not necessarily need to be local either, it just didn't need to load new maps than the ones previously cached until later

 

[uberamd]

I'm interested in all the surrounding stuff that might come with a Verizon partnership:

1) Verizon always offers insurance for their phones. Is this going to happen with the iPhone?

2) Verizon always brands their phones. If they can't put it on the phone itself, will they include a cheap case skin with the VZW checkmark on it?

3) One of the reasons Verizon turned down Apple the first time, was because Apple didn't want to allow sales through partners such as Best Buy or Walmart. Well, we know Apple dropped that restriction long ago. So who will carry the phone right away?

All assuming there is such a thing, of course!

1) I think it would definitely set them apart, however isn't it handled by a 3rd party company not necessarily affiliated with VZW?

2) I would imagine Apple is still standing by their no branding policy, but I dont see VZW throwing in any additional accessories. I would be shocked to see a Verizon Check on the bottom of the devices.

I'm just skeptical the device even exists. I want to believe it does, but I feel like I have been down this road many times in the past and it always ends up a vaporware rumor.

 

[whatever]

Jobs doesn't have to fly in. They could do an phone-based video call with him from the stage.

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Android passed the iPhone in US sales months ago, and is set to overtake it in number of US users as well. Plus Android phones with LTE are about to hit.

Apple needs to partner with Verizon at some point, and the sooner, the better for Apple.

There may be more Android devices in the US, however, share numbers does not equal money.

Android is an OS which is loaded on a mobile device. Where the iPhone is an actual product.

The companies that mfg Android OS based products are competing with one another as well as the iPhone.

Google the company behind Android makes very little from the Android OS and compared to what Apple makes with the iPhone it would take them decades (with their current pricing) to recoup their costs.

So comparing the number of Android devices in the wild compared to iPhone doesn't make sense.

If you want to compare the revenue that the iPhone generates with the revenue that Android devices generate for mfg of those mobile devices then fine.

And why does Apple need to partner with Verizon? They've done fine without them. Remember they entered a brand new market, the mobile space, chose the 2nd largest network (AT&T) and basically kicked Verizon's ass. Verizon needs Apple more than Apple needs Verizon. If Apple wanted to, they could buy Verizon today (however Apple has stated that is not their focus).

What would be interesting is if Verizon and AT&T merged. That would solve a lot of problems and eliminate competition.

 

[ericinboston]

More important are the rate plans. If they are significantly different than ATT then I think you will see more action on carrier switches.

With as terrible as ATT is in my specific area, even after "upgrades" to their system, the network still sucks wind. I would be very inclined to switch.

ATT stinks here in New England. Luckily I use my iPhone 90% at home so I (thankfully!) get reception but use my WIFI. My phone drops calls all over the place when I drive. Verizon never (and I mean never) dropped a call on me for the 6 years I had them.

If and when the iPhone 5 goes to Verizon in late 2011 with unlimited data, I will switch back to Verizon.

Remember, these companies are PHONE companies. I expect to make a PHONE call.

 

[beany boy]

I would think Verizon would have to offer unlimited plans to entice ATT users to switch. Most ATT iphone users are grandfathered in on unlimited plans. I would not leave an unlimeted plan on ATT to go to a capped plan on Verizon.

 

[nylonsteel]

Nice to see unlimited data plans again - interesting to see how expensive it will be

 

[ferrous]

Love unlimited data plan

I can not imagine using iPhone with a tier data plan. I love the old unlimited data, I don't even look how much I use each month, but I know it's in gigabypes.

 

[SAD*FACED*CLOWN]

And the new Verizon iPhone will ship in an EXCLUSIVE White Color (Now this is why Apple REALLY waited)

doubtful

 

[Geckotek]

There may be more Android devices in the US, however, share numbers does not equal money.

Android is an OS which is loaded on a mobile device. Where the iPhone is an actual product.

The companies that mfg Android OS based products are competing with one another as well as the iPhone.

Google the company behind Android makes very little from the Android OS and compared to what Apple makes with the iPhone it would take them decades (with their current pricing) to recoup their costs.

So comparing the number of Android devices in the wild compared to iPhone doesn't make sense.

If you want to compare the revenue that the iPhone generates with the revenue that Android devices generate for mfg of those mobile devices then fine.

And why does Apple need to partner with Verizon? They've done fine without them. Remember they entered a brand new market, the mobile space, chose the 2nd largest network (AT&T) and basically kicked Verizon's ass. Verizon needs Apple more than Apple needs Verizon. If Apple wanted to, they could buy Verizon today (however Apple has stated that is not their focus).

What would be interesting is if Verizon and AT&T merged. That would solve a lot of problems and eliminate competition.

Whether you feel the Android platform makes money or not doesn't matter. Market share is always important for several reasons.
A) Investors look at it
B) Branding - the more product you have in the wild, the more people think of your product (think Kleenex...Q-tips...Coke)
C) Available customers - doesn't matter if Google makes money....that's one less customer for Apple to make money from

No matter how you slice it, Android is something Apple needs to be concerned with. And I am no Android fan.

 

[SAD*FACED*CLOWN]

So, where's that last group of straglers who still think the iPhone will "never" come to Verizon?

name their names....I certainly have always maintained that Verizon wouldn't get it until the summer of 2012 and perhaps tomorrow I'll be proven wrong...I will laugh if it's only a verizon 3GS and would explain AT&T dropping the price to $49

 

[SAD*FACED*CLOWN]

Not always. And nothing is slower than stopped. Around my town, you'll be able to tell the Verizon iPhone users simply because they'll be able to use voice and data inside of restaurants, while the ATT users cannot.


The reason Verizon didn't have to have WiFi in their handsets, was because they didn't have to rely on it for coverage like ATT does.

AT&T users cant use iPhones inside of restaurants? where did you get that crap from? LMAO...you're a pretty smart guy and your posts are usually prety informative but that statement is blatantly false

and Verizion does not offer free wifi hot sots because retailers and businesses typically don't want to work with them i.e. starbucks, mcdonalds etc...

 

[63dot]

I would like to see proof of an actual event on Tuesday.

I know that Apple is not having one.

And the availability of an iPhone on the Verizon network is big deal. Apple would be the ones announcing it, not Verizon. And it would be done in NYC.

People fly to Steve Jobs and they share his stage, not the other way around.

And Business Insider is not a very good source of information either.

When did Larry Solomon make that statement and to whom? BI does not even provide a link back to the original statement. For all we know Larry Soloman said this with the iPhone 3G came out.

BI achieved it's goal though, increased traffic to their site... Once again people are being made to look foolish.

Everything you say is valid. NYC today or tomorrow and we will know for sure. Verizon Apple is not a reality until it is. There could always be delays, and God forbid, a party backing out for some reason.

CBS, MSNBC, and WSJ speculated around now in NYC (or announced from there EST 11 am-ish, but maybe it was only a guess as to venue, and wishful thinking as to the partnership. There is a lot of circumstantial evidence and a lot of consensus that this partnership will happen (soon). You may be right it won't happen early this week though. If I were the two companies, it would make sense to announce it in the Big Apple where Wall Street calls home. It would be fun to watch the ticker on this one.

This thread also reminds me about the Sandy Bridge rumors as to if and when. AMD made a similar huge announcement on a 32 nm chip line but have not delivered thus far.

Being here 11 years on Macrumors, I have found most of the rumors to be true (eventually).

EDIT: 44 minutes ago ZD Net now seems sure about this.

www.zdnet.com

 

[optophobia]

.......Remember, these companies are PHONE companies. I expect to make a PHONE call.

Well then the biggest mistake you made was buying an iPhone. Yes it has "phone" in the name, but phone calls are DEFINITLEY not the iPhones forte.

 

[DudeDad]

3) One of the reasons Verizon turned down Apple the first time, was because Apple didn't want to allow sales through partners such as Best Buy or Walmart. Well, we know Apple dropped that restriction long ago. So who will carry the phone right away?

Actually, VZ said the would welcome the iPhone, but like all other phones, they wanted to control the software and everything else. Jobs told them to shove it. It may have changed in the past few years since I left VZ, but compare the same phone on VZ and another network...the other network's phone had better software and fewer, if any, features were disabled. VZ blew it, and they want the iPhone.

With regard to dropped calls, I'm lucky because in the DC/Metro area, I rarely drop calls, except for two places that are cell phone vortexes (even my VZ phone dropped calls in these locations).

 

[63dot]

Well then the biggest mistake you made was buying an iPhone. Yes it has "phone" in the name, but phone calls are DEFINITLEY not the iPhones forte.

I don't know if you mean ATT has bad reception, or that iPhone is more than just a phone and is probably more famous for its cool apps.

ATT has good reception in the flats of Silicon Valley, but then if you get into the hills surrounding it or to the coast nearby, then ATT reception sucks. So does Verizon, but not nearly as bad. On my ATT run RAZR, I have to stand outside to make cellular calls

 

[cwwilson]

Just bring it to Sprint in 6 months and I'll be ready to make the switch.

 

[bergmef]

Just bring it to Sprint in 6 months and I'll be ready to make the switch.

I hope they do all the carriers

 

[Glideslope]

This is why competition is good in the marketplace. ATT can either answer or die.

"He Who Wins His Battles, Makes No Mistakes".

Sun Tzu.