now I never said I didnt like my droid 2, I just rather have an iphone...I have an ipod touch and I just personally like the apple software much more thats all....dont get me wrong I love my droid I just want and always have wanted the iphone and cant wait to see it on verizon
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Verizon Media Event Today, iPhone Expected
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redbeard331
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Anybody think AT&T might let those of us locked into 2 year contracts with the iPhone 4 upgrade again this June to keep people from going to Verizon? They did it for most people who bought a 3GS the previous year, so there should be even more incentive for them to do it this year.
viewfly
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Judging by comments by Macrumors users, and analysts polls, the biggest loser will be RIM and some Android users, from within Verizon. Sure there will be quite a view switchers back to Verizon from ATT, probably in the millions, but there is a lot of pent up interest from BB and non smartphone users that wanted a Verizon iPhone...from within Verizon.
I also think the attraction of moving to Verizon because of 'unlimited data' is mostly PR..that will work with some. But every poll I've seen where people are honest...they use less than 2 Gb a month. Verizon does have a hidden cap of at least 5Gb, even though they call it 'unlimited'.
It really is a mute point. If you wish to estimate how much data you may, I found this data calculator very useful
I also think the attraction of moving to Verizon because of 'unlimited data' is mostly PR..that will work with some. But every poll I've seen where people are honest...they use less than 2 Gb a month. Verizon does have a hidden cap of at least 5Gb, even though they call it 'unlimited'.
It really is a mute point. If you wish to estimate how much data you may, I found this data calculator very useful
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Depends where you live. It all depends where you live, work, and play. AT&T is expanding rapidly, and their network speed is much better than Verizon's.
While a fallback to analog is nice, I think it was more dollar driven. You need way less cdma towers than gsm (if all other things are equal, freq, power, height of tower) for coverage and it scales better. And yes, the tower 'shrinks' when the amount of users goes up, but if you want to cover a rural area (by definition, less populated), find a big hill and plop a tower. The US is a big country and if you have hopes on covering a good portion of it, it costs a good bit less with cdma.
viewfly, with Alltel my record data use on my phone in one month was 11GB on my BlackBerry Tour. 101GB on my USB data card that same month.
I sure am glad AT&T is honoring my Alltel unlimited plans (including my $40/month unlimited data card!)
bergmef, the cost of GSM equipment is and was far, far cheaper than CDMA. Thus, GSM networks were less expensive to deploy to all but the most rural areas. Analog fallback, and to a lesser extent, increased capacity, were the reasons to use CDMA.
I sure am glad AT&T is honoring my Alltel unlimited plans (including my $40/month unlimited data card!)
bergmef, the cost of GSM equipment is and was far, far cheaper than CDMA. Thus, GSM networks were less expensive to deploy to all but the most rural areas. Analog fallback, and to a lesser extent, increased capacity, were the reasons to use CDMA.
RIM will keep the business contract for a while. My company (70000-80000 employees) uses 'berries' and won't change. The iphone is considered insecure as a device and is not allowed. The sole reason is because apple will not allow us to authenticate on a server inside our firewall. RIM allows the NOC inside the corporate firewall. That said, we write iphone apps for the military. Go figure.
pcorajr, an oligopoly is not really competition, sadly - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oligopoly - they use the US cell phone market as their EXAMPLE of an oligopoly. That's how bad it is!
viewfly
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Markie,
You are out of the norm. By even Verizon and ATT own records (and they are the ones to know) a majority of their users are below 5Gb, and mostly below 2 Gb.
I wonder how many Xmas purchases of new phones at Verizon will be returned within the 30 day limit...and then wait for the iPhone in the first week or so of February.
Might have been no coincidence that the tomorrows event comes within 30 days of Xmas
You are out of the norm. By even Verizon and ATT own records (and they are the ones to know) a majority of their users are below 5Gb, and mostly below 2 Gb.
I wonder how many Xmas purchases of new phones at Verizon will be returned within the 30 day limit...and then wait for the iPhone in the first week or so of February.
Might have been no coincidence that the tomorrows event comes within 30 days of Xmas
How prolific was gsm when cdma was being rolled out? Enough to lower the costs that much? I can understand it now in 2011. But now you have to get people to allow towers which add to the cost. Moot point moving to lte since the cdma stuff will only be used for about 10 more years.
viewfly
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Not true in my case, and the latest iOS beefed up the exchange security. My global company (85,000) dropped RIM completely and only allows Windows Exchange or iPhone iOS running Exchange. They seem satisfied with security and it saves them a bunch of money. Of course they have made Exchange the standard for PC's and that probably helped too.
I've heard other stories as well. The charts show that smartphone switches have come from RIM to androids...while iOS has remained steady. The iPhone from Verizon will increase the loss from RIM
I doubt it, when O2 lost exclusivity and we got vodafone and orange, the plans became practically identical when the iPhone 4 came out, phone costs same amount for the same tarrifs on each network ,the only difference was the monthly data limit. It may start off competitive, but really thats just to pull a big influx at the start
I wish mine would, I have a blackberry, my cell phone and an ipod. Like to carry less crap around. Oh, and a data card for my laptop.
lostngone
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Strange?!?
1. If this is a new iPhone, even if it is just a different radio in the device why isn't Apple doing the announcement. When the first iPhone was released Apple did it not AT&T.
2. It isn't like Steve Jobs to let someone else unveil one of his products.
3. Why did they wait until now and not at CES?
1. If this is a new iPhone, even if it is just a different radio in the device why isn't Apple doing the announcement. When the first iPhone was released Apple did it not AT&T.
2. It isn't like Steve Jobs to let someone else unveil one of his products.
3. Why did they wait until now and not at CES?
why the heck would anyone want a soon-to-be-obsolete iphone 4 with a tiny 3.5" screen and no lte?
if iphone 5 isn't at least 4.2" screen, i'm switching to verizon for a droid bionic! 😉
if iphone 5 isn't at least 4.2" screen, i'm switching to verizon for a droid bionic! 😉
Chupa Chupa
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Honestly, I think this is going to have a bigger impact on Android than ATT. ATT will lose customers but most will not break their contract and there are benefits to sticking w/ ATT like Roll over minutes. I'd bet far more people already on VZ will upgrade to an iPhone next round and would not be surprised if VZ offered early upgrades to some smart phone users in order to get a good iPhone user base going. Those upgrades will mostly be from Android phones.
It's been reported that Steve will be in attendance. But this isn't a new product, it's a new carrier. Steve has now held a presser every time a new carrier starts carrying the iPhone somewhere in the world. As for CES -- Apple does not like to have its products announced at CES. They get buried in a sea of pressers. There is only one presser that matters today vs. @ CES there was one every hour on the hour.
It's been reported that Steve will be in attendance. But this isn't a new product, it's a new carrier. Steve has now held a presser every time a new carrier starts carrying the iPhone somewhere in the world. As for CES -- Apple does not like to have its products announced at CES. They get buried in a sea of pressers. There is only one presser that matters today vs. @ CES there was one every hour on the hour.
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Actually, the cost difference was far more at the time than it is now. CDMA was very new technology. GSM was based on the much cheaper TDMA air interface technology. CDMA equipment is still spendier, due to Qualcomm's patents, but the difference has gone down a lot.
The main reason Verizon went CDMA was so they could have the benefits of a nationwide analog network for when you were outside the digital footprint. Cingular and AT&T GSM coverage was TERRIBLE in it's early days. Other than two GAIT (GSM AMPS Interoperability Team) phones that supported both standards and both forms of authentication, and were a nightmare to support, GSM in it's early days meant living with very poor coverage. Whereas Verizon's CDMA allowed them to have the already well-established nationwide analog network and roaming partners.
I guess, in one way, the more things change... the more they stay the same!
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In every other country that has multiple carriers the switch was announced by the carriers not Apple. And for all we know, Steve Jobs could come to the verizon event to introduce it if it is really a bigger change than just adding CDMA.
rdlink
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Perhaps. But the company behind it will still be incompetent and evil. So good luck with that.
Bemused...
As a non-US citizen, I find this 'massive news'(!) about the iPhone being available on multiple carriers rather bemusing... Most of the rest of the world have had several options in each country for ages, and it's made not one bit of difference to competition or market share. I'm assuming that now there's another limited US cell phone carrier covering the device, share will increase - but it sounds to me like CDMA (Whatever that is) will do a great disservice to the user experience - no data and calls at the same time? That's madness.
But, anyway, I wish the US cell phone industry well while it struggles to catch up to the rest of the world. Amazing that a world superpower can be so behind in this respect - I think someone independent needs to take a very hard look at the seeming monopoly enjoyed by some of your cell phone operators and their charging practices.
As a non-US citizen, I find this 'massive news'(!) about the iPhone being available on multiple carriers rather bemusing... Most of the rest of the world have had several options in each country for ages, and it's made not one bit of difference to competition or market share. I'm assuming that now there's another limited US cell phone carrier covering the device, share will increase - but it sounds to me like CDMA (Whatever that is) will do a great disservice to the user experience - no data and calls at the same time? That's madness.
But, anyway, I wish the US cell phone industry well while it struggles to catch up to the rest of the world. Amazing that a world superpower can be so behind in this respect - I think someone independent needs to take a very hard look at the seeming monopoly enjoyed by some of your cell phone operators and their charging practices.
gnasher729
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Good luck with that. I am not saying you are wrong, I am saying that Verizon can afford more and more expensive lawyers than you can afford. If they say "unlimited", it means exactly what they want it to mean, and there is nothing _you_ can do about it.