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Verizon has to activate an LTE sim card on your unlimited account, doesn't it? (I honestly don't know, but I see no other way because there is no 3G sim in VZW)

You are correct, but if you are already on LTE unlimited as long as you dont sign a new plan, or get a subsidized phone you are OK. They legally can not make you change your plan with out being in breach, and letting you out no ETF.

You can change your own plan, or if you buy a new phone lets say the new iphone LTE with a subsidy then they can only offer you new plans. But if you pay cash for your phones and swap your own LTE sim card you are safe.
 
To all those saying they will just buy their next phone for full retail price and circumvent the subsidized price which renews your contract:

My contract didn't renew when i got my 4s last year

Edit I signed up for vzw last June, I upgraded my 4s when it released. My contract is still the same as when I signed up
 
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Stealing is probably the wrong term, but definitely mislead. The purpose of the addition to the feature phone was ONLY to be prepared for the addition of the next generation iPhone and it was confirmed by Verizon personnel that this was the way to ensure unlimited data for the new iPhone I would buy my son in October.

This is the crux of why I feel I was cheated.

totally understandable, id feel cheated to. if you bitch enough, they give you what you want. when the 4 came to verizon, i checked to see if i could upgrade. i was told no, my upgrade wasnt for another like 10 months, so i bought it outright. a week later, i got a text saying i could upgrade. i called and went through five people and two managers, but they credited my bill $800. i still had to buy the phone out of pocket...but didnt have to pay my phone bill for like six months.
 
wow.

part of me wants to admit that I saw it coming but the majority of me is just plain p*ssed off. I've been carrying unlimited data with Verizon on both my phone and my wife's phone JUST so that when a 4g LTE phone came out that one of us wanted, we could go for it and actually USE the damn thing.

When the day comes that I am on the phone "negotiating" my contract renewal with them, I am going to explain the above and ask that they pro-rate a 2GB data plan for the past 2 years since -- as I was told -- I would be "grandfathered in" to unlimited data with no mention of this being a 3G-only option which would forcfully change.

If I am forced onto a "shared" data plan that is fine. My parents will be moving in with me and then we can all join in on one big family plan and share minutes and data (and savings over having two separate accounts).
 
If you have unlimited data and are under contract, they must honor that contract. However, when the contract expires they will be able to do whatever they want. All they need to do is send you a notice that at end of your contract that you will be switched to a tiered data plan. You have the choice to accept or go elsewhere. I switched to a 4G phone and paid full price and sold my iPhone 4. So my contract is still good through next spring. However, if your contract is ending soon, i would advise to switch now to a cheap android 4G phone, extend your contract for 2 more years, sell it when the iPhone 5 comes out and get the iPhone 5 and keep your current unlimited 4G contract.
 
If I switch today from my iPhone 4S to a 4G LTE android device, I will still be grandfathered in to unlimited data. When the next iPhone comes out with 4G LTE, I wonder if I can switch to it and keep the same unlimited 4G data plan? I think the problem is if you wait until these new shared data plans are online and switch from 3g to 4g... that's when you would lose unlimited.

I was thinking the same thing. I'm gonna go to the VZW store today to confirm this.
 
Actually, the big misunderstanding is that "data is data". The reality is that it isn't. Any random megabyte of data on a single pipe may actually be equal to any other random megabyte on the same pipe. The problem is the assumption that it is all on the same pipe. Unfortunately, carriers/telcos have helped perpetuate this idea (including Verizon), so its kinda their own fault.

Each band that the carrier has at a tower has finite bandwidth. EVDO has less bandwidth than LTE for example. So if I assume all my fixed costs are equal, and that both operate at peak efficiency, then 1MB on LTE is actually cheaper than 1MB on EVDO. However, it gets complicated since if EVDO is carrying 2MB/hour and LTE is carrying 1MB/hour... EVDO is actually cheaper per MB to operate. It's a little weird like that, and hard to math out without good data from the carriers themselves.

Another problem is that unlimited data is really just marketing speak for "Our network is under peak efficiency if we just let people do whatever, so we are just going to split the cost + margin across all users for simplicity." And it is a good business model, as it is simpler for customers and the business to budget around. Today though, 3G networks are at or beyond capacity if they "just let people do whatever". 4G networks don't get them much breathing room either, long-term. Cable is in a similar situation because the connection between the home and the local node is shared, much like cellular networks, and is the most expensive piece to improve.

Now, if Verizon managed to get enough breathing room to last them say, half a decade... you can bet they would go back to unlimited data plans. It's a huge competitive advantage against competitors.

so what i understood was that its a misnomer that data runs through the same pipe, evdo, cdma, and lte are really three pipes, even know we percieve them as one. while unlimited is the simplest model to run, it doesnt work with the the bandwidth we currently have. therefore were stuck with pay-per-gb and tiered until they get room to move.

correct in simple terms?
 
Well, there are a few loopholes I would believe around this.

1) Never upgrade your phone and keep chugging on unlimited 3G data

2) I think if you just upgrade without their knowledge and just use 3G data it should also be fine

3) This is speculation, but do you think you could buy a LTE phone and just opt to use 3G and not LTE on it? Then you could keep your unlimited data albeit at lower speeds. I don't see why you couldn't do this as you aren't signing a new contract...
 
Well, there are a few loopholes I would believe around this.

1) Never upgrade your phone and keep chugging on unlimited 3G data

2) I think if you just upgrade without their knowledge and just use 3G data it should also be fine

3) This is speculation, but do you think you could buy a LTE phone and just opt to use 3G and not LTE on it? Then you could keep your unlimited data albeit at lower speeds. I don't see why you couldn't do this as you aren't signing a new contract...

The problem is that Verizon wants to switch their entire network over to 4G in the next few years. 3G will cease to exist on Verizon.
 
I know what you mean, even with just a gf, I get weird looks if I try and upgrade my gadgets too quickly. :( lol, so it goes.
That's good that it'll be worth it to some people though, I wasn't sure. I hope some do it just to stick it to them.

LOL! I'm a woman & even though my husband is pretty tolerant of my hardware addiction, I still get "the look" occasionally :D
 
so what i understood was that its a misnomer that data runs through the same pipe, evdo, cdma, and lte are really three pipes, even know we percieve them as one. while unlimited is the simplest model to run, it doesnt work with the the bandwidth we currently have. therefore were stuck with pay-per-gb and tiered until they get room to move.

correct in simple terms?

Bingo. :)

Only thing I'd add is that in the case of Verizon, the only pipes we care about in this discussion are the EVDO and LTE pipes. The third pipe carries voice and "1xRTT" data, and isn't terribly interesting because only voice goes over it anymore (it is only used as fail-over in case you can't get a 3G/4G signal).
 
This is no surprise, it's just business. With zillions of iPhones everywhere, it makes no sense to offer unlimited data. No wonder the carriers are strained.

This will help, and at least they will be getting paid. It will also speed up the build out of each carriers high speed, high capacity infrastructure. That will benefit everyone.
 
Im just waiting to see the prices....because lets face it they aren't doing this for us, they're doing it to make more money. Its worded to make the average person think it's a good thing (easily adding devices IS a good thing actually), but its also easier for them to get overage fees...and that is what they're after.

If the prices are decent (which verizon isn't known for) then maybe some people could save money. However, as I said this is Verizon and even if you somehow were saving money, they'll find some fee or something to recoup it once too many people are paying less than they were previously.
 
This is no surprise, it's just business. With zillions of iPhones everywhere, it makes no sense to offer unlimited data. No wonder the carriers are strained.

This will help, and at least they will be getting paid. It will also speed up the build out of each carriers high speed, high capacity infrastructure. That will benefit everyone.

They have plenty of money to build out infrastructure. This is about their promises to their customers and contract obligations being broken.
 
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Dear AT&T:
Don't copy this. I know you're in the battle for profits, and maybe the title of carrier that sucks the least, but use this an an advantage in your marketing.

Dear Apple:
I know the previous letter will fall on deaf ears, but allow voice calls between iPhone users using the FaceTime pipeline. In fact, warn me if an iMessage gets converted to a text message and let me cancel it. I don't want to pay the guy above, but I'll pay you. In fact, could you enable connection sharing between iPads and iPhones? I'd even pay a one time fee for it to you, not the guy above.

Dear Google:
I'm going to be using Google Voice a lot more.

Dear President of the US:
I'm all for a country wi-fi initiative. Blanket the country with it. Then create plans that are better than AT&T & Verizon.
 
The other issue for those that don't switch is that verizon can throttle back your 4G speeds if you remain with your unlimited contract until it expires. So after 2GB of data, the speeds may become so slow that it is useless. One way to force you over to a new plan.
 
Two things:

Shared Data plans are shared between devices not users.

Here's how it will work: As of this change, all data plans will be shared. That's all they will offer. As you upgrade your phone, you will HAVE to switch to a shared plan, again that's all they will offer. If you do not upgrade or try to delay by some other means , your unlimited will end with your contract as you go month to month. There will be no way out of this, and is why the CFO said EVERYONE will be on shared plans. Shared plans will include two charges: $x per device as a one time fee to add it to the network (I have been told around $10) with a monthly device fee a possibility and a "bucket of Data" fee that is priced by how much data you choose to buy.

Expect your total bill to go up. And don't think you can escape by going to Sprint or T-MO....same deal there.
 
Two things:

Shared Data plans are shared between devices not users.

Here's how it will work: As of this change, all data plans will be shared. That's all they will offer. As you upgrade your phone, you will HAVE to switch to a shared plan, again that's all they will offer. If you do not upgrade or try to delay by some other means , your unlimited will end with your contract as you go month to month. There will be no way out of this, and is why the CFO said EVERYONE will be on shared plans. Shared plans will include two charges: $x per device as a one time fee to add it to the network (I have been told around $10) with a monthly device fee a possibility and a "bucket of Data" fee that is priced by how much data you choose to buy.

Expect your total bill to go up. And don't think you can escape by going to Sprint or T-MO....same deal there.

If i am forced to use a bucket of data, why should I have to pay to add a device such as an iPad to tether off my plan? if I get 5GB of data, then I should be able to use it with any device, hundreds if I have them, without paying them to add it to my plan.
 
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