Maybe because a majority of the people that buy the iPhone 4 now are going to be pissed when the iPhone 5 comes out and they aren't eligible for an upgrade...they might just be trying to do some pre-emptive damage control :\
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Verizon sales people are anti iPhone. What gives?
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Sales people work of a few motives.
What they know or are most familiar with.
What makes them money.
less likely to see a return or complaint.
what they have in stock.
what they think they can sell a customer the quickest.
what they can get into the system and get you out so they can start selling a new customer.
most sales people would sell the current model even if they knew a new model was coming out tomorrow.
What they know or are most familiar with.
What makes them money.
less likely to see a return or complaint.
what they have in stock.
what they think they can sell a customer the quickest.
what they can get into the system and get you out so they can start selling a new customer.
most sales people would sell the current model even if they knew a new model was coming out tomorrow.
You wanted a Thunderbolt because the salesperson didn't know about the operating system?
no one has used this reasoning yet, but when working retail, you EVENTUALLY get tired of selling the SAME thing over and over again. Especially if you think back to February, imagine a line of people just asking for iPhone and nothing else.
It eventually gets monotonous, you want to show people SOMETHING else sometimes just to spice things up.
Might be other reasons as well, but I can see selling the iPhone at either retailer just get boring.
It eventually gets monotonous, you want to show people SOMETHING else sometimes just to spice things up.
Might be other reasons as well, but I can see selling the iPhone at either retailer just get boring.
I am a sales rep for Verizon...make the same on a droid as I do on an iphone. I push droid bc i like droid more. I also walk the customer through each phone and let them decide.
i remember the days of first generation iphone where you had to pay full price for it and didn't see everyone else with one.
Well that's good to hear.
Of all of the times I walked into an ATT or Verizon, there are mostly people who are a little "too" pushy and push certain things but there are a key few who actually help me, give me time to think, and have no problem answering questions.
Hell, there's one that let me hold the new white iPhone when that came out; outside the box and everything.
I walked in the time before and talked to the reps there who all rooted and had custom roms on their phones as well (Android).
sorry for the Verizon folks but a current CDMA iPhone is not really an iPhone, maybe the iPhone 5 will get closer at being global for the CDMA crowd because of its dual GSM/CDMA compatibilities...
I still fail to see how this makes the Verizon version any less of an iPhone. Most people don't travel out of the country anyway. At least in the US.
And where does the definition of "iPhone" require the ability to be used in certain other countries?
False you make no money on phones. Make money on the opp and features as far as att. It is probably more of a personal preference on selling droids. Remember you can't have a phone with another carrier out if you work in these stores so that rep may have always had a droid and lean toward those. Once reps start using iPhones as personal phones their views may change.
exactly. but now you see 8 year olds with them. you can see how it is sometimes nice to offer SOMETHING else every once in awhile. because realistically, both operating systems will take care of what the majority of customers need (basic email access, some web, a few apps)
It is because of LTE as the thunderbolt can only do voice and data at the same time if it is on an LTE signal
What do you mean "what about the OS?"
Do you mean that iOS isn't a battery hog and doesn't drain your battery?
Do you mean that iOS is built specifically for the hardware and runs perfect with it?
Do you mean that iOS has a smarter interface than Google's cluttered mess that is Android?
Do you mean that iOS is easier for people of all walks of life to use, and isn't a big mess like Android?
If you meant that, then you'd be correct.
I know a ton of old people that got suckered into buying Evo 4G's and they don't know what the hell they're doing with those phones..
It's sad.
Most people don't but that doesn't make up for the fact that, when you do, you have to buy a new phone and a new sim. Which can simply be avoided by going with a carrier that has global service.
You can argue that it isnt' relevant all you want but you simply dont' fall into that category. Therefore, your opinion, although it is valid, doesn't hold much weight.
It's the definition of the phone itself; and the fact that I'm paying a ton of money for it; why can't I take it with me on my "monthly" (and some people travel outside each week, aside from months) trip?
Just because you don't apply doesn't mean arguments against it are bogus.
It's sad that all of those opinions you posted are, just that, opinions and you hold them to such a high regard.
And you can't see the apparent flaw in the logic around what you just stated.
I wasn't trying to say that the arguments were bogus, and I would like to have global compatibility for the price that we pay for the phones, but I just don't see the logic behind them saying it is not a real iPhone simply because it lacks that feature.
I speculate the reason is the broad choice of devices, they only had the option of a Droid for the last five years so the settled in and try to convince themselves that what they have is just as good. No one believes their phone is second best. There's also the same people who have to dislike something. Love Windows? Then you must hate Mac. Love Android? Must hate Mac. Stupid really.
No, I wanted a Thunderbolt because I think iOS sucks and my beliefs were cemented by the rep not being able to praise the OS. Always have felt that way. But I never realized how bad it irritated me until I actually did a video comparing the iPhone 4 to the Samsung Fascinate...just the # of steps it takes on an iOS device to simply get to where you can pair a bluetooth device is insane.
People buy iPhones because of the build quality and the aesthetic. That's fine - I actually like the way the iPhone looks and feels. But iOS is childish compared to even webOS.
With Liquid Gingersense, I can go over 24 hours without needing a charge on regular usage. If I attach the extended battery - thereby putting it at roughly the same thickness as the iPhone, mind - I am up to 3 days without a charge needed. Myth busted.
If iOS weren't so childish I would consider this a strong positive. However, even HP's guys were able to load webOS on it and see that it ran even better than their own hardware. Know what that tells me? The hardware is great (which I already knew) regardless of what software is running on it. Same deal as with the MacBook Pro. It runs Windows better than any PC.
Cluttered...mess? Sounds like someone hasn't seen Honeycomb.
There you go with that "mess" again. Step out of the walled garden once in a while and look around. If you're judging Android off of the Nexus One you're already faulty.
When you say iOS is "easier for people of all walks of life to use", are you positioning that as a positive? Because simplicity in lieu of choice is NOT a positive in my world.
If someone said, "don't worry about gas grades. Just press one button and pump!", that's faulty. A Cadillac Escalade is not going to function for very long with 87 grade gas; likewise, there's no point in putting 91 octane in a Ford Focus. Thus the choice of octane so you can pick what is appropriate for your car. That's how operating systems should be. Offer choice to those that want it, instructions for those that can't manage.
Thank you for this. The Thunderbolt is a better phone than people think. It just requires that you root and ROM it in order to get to that point. That's fine - it's just more choice.
TO the other argument about phone commonality in the world that is a pet peeve of mine. I hate having the same phone as everyone else. If I look back at the phones I've owned I always try to carry phones that nobody else has, or very few do. Palm Pre was the most notable. And yes, I do remember when there were no "subsidies" as we know them today. I distinctly remember buying the Sanyo SCP-5000 for $600 brand new almost two decades ago. I was certainly the only one carrying that phone while everyone else had their Nokias. I do miss those days.
The percentage of people that travel internationally for business or pleasure from the US is not significant enough number make a Verizon iPhone less worthy. Really stupid and/or petty argument.
I don't know if I stated this farther up, but I could personally care less if it had global roaming or not as I'm on ATT; I was having a discussion a few pages back in relation to what some other people were saying, none of this reflects my personal opinion on the matter.
Probably for commission purposes.
I bought my iPhone 4 from Verizon about 3-4 weeks after they announced it. The sales person I was dealing with the interrogating the hell out of me. Practically shoving Droids in my face the entire time
I bought my iPhone 4 from Verizon about 3-4 weeks after they announced it. The sales person I was dealing with the interrogating the hell out of me. Practically shoving Droids in my face the entire time
I will say it like I did before in another thread.
The stores make almost NO money on the iPhone, and we actually make more on Car Chargers than we do iPhones on secondary lines of service. Which actually might be wors now that Verizon is moving to Account Level Pricing.
Here's how I explained it in the last thread:
So to reitterate, we make **** money on it, it's a nightmare for customer service as far as in store is concerned. It's just a nightmare in many ways for us.
This is absolutely incorrect. Gross Profit is calculated by taking the box cost of the phone you sell and subtracting A) The commission of the sale and B) The price paid for the phone. Every box cost is different on each handset, hence different amounts made per handset. Well as you all know, the box cost on the 16GB iPhone 4 is $744.99. We make a FLAT $500 on every iPhone sale, add in $199.99 that the customer pays. Now subtract that $700 from the $744.99 box cost and you get the gross profit. You point is void because I use the iPhone devotedly. Nor do I plan on switching. But if I sold nothing but iPhones all month, my stores would NEVER hit their monthly goals. And I wouldn't make a paycheck.
To add to that, if you don't live in a 4G area and you try to buy a 4G device, sales reps will push you from it because the box cost on 4G devices are CRAZY high and have no profit behind it.
The stores make almost NO money on the iPhone, and we actually make more on Car Chargers than we do iPhones on secondary lines of service. Which actually might be wors now that Verizon is moving to Account Level Pricing.
Here's how I explained it in the last thread:
So to reitterate, we make **** money on it, it's a nightmare for customer service as far as in store is concerned. It's just a nightmare in many ways for us.
This is absolutely incorrect. Gross Profit is calculated by taking the box cost of the phone you sell and subtracting A) The commission of the sale and B) The price paid for the phone. Every box cost is different on each handset, hence different amounts made per handset. Well as you all know, the box cost on the 16GB iPhone 4 is $744.99. We make a FLAT $500 on every iPhone sale, add in $199.99 that the customer pays. Now subtract that $700 from the $744.99 box cost and you get the gross profit. You point is void because I use the iPhone devotedly. Nor do I plan on switching. But if I sold nothing but iPhones all month, my stores would NEVER hit their monthly goals. And I wouldn't make a paycheck.
To add to that, if you don't live in a 4G area and you try to buy a 4G device, sales reps will push you from it because the box cost on 4G devices are CRAZY high and have no profit behind it.
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