Carrier Verizon to start offering Rollover data

[timeconsumer]

I have stock with both att and Verizon (pretty good paying dividends stocks by the way). So I follow the industry closely.

Verizon eliminated reporting "revenues per line" 3 or so years ago. Cause they were dipping below $50/line. (Example: $250/5 lines equals $50/line). Verizon and other carriers in the early 2000s/-2010 were mainly growing by adding non profitable 9.99 add a lines to "grow the subscribers". Obviously lines 2-5 drive down the revenues per line report. Especially with $400-450 a line subsidy with lines 2-5. Savvy customers would drive add a line (buy iPhone for $199 and get the subsidy and just put a flip phone on that line and avoid the data plan. Verizon wouldn't make any money.

Verizon than started mandating forced data plans on subsidized lines regardless if smartphone was used or not to combat that tactic.

Now the switch to shared data. And nickel and diming a $5 price increase PER LINE here and here. It all adds up.

$50/line is the key. Verizon knows that. Americans psychologically know that. What do we get for $50/line?

My current plan is $100 for 15GB data (+1GB bonus data ending sometime this year) and $15 per phone for a total $160 per month, or $40 per device per month. If I were to move to the "new" Verizon plan the closest plan I could move to would be the "XL" plan which would give me 16GB of data for $90 then $20 per phone which would be $170 per month. This moves my monthly cost per device to $42.50 so I would say you're 100% accurate when you state that the $50 per line is the target.

However, once my 1GB bonus data wears off, the extra $10 per month would bring me back to the 16GB data along with carryover data, safety mode, Mexico/Canada service... Why can't those extras be included in my current plan? Like you said, nickel and diming until they bring me closer to that $50 per line.

I hope people vote with their wallets and Verizon loses customers. T-Mobile is currently promoting 4 lines for $120 per month, that's really difficult to pass up as T-Mobile includes all of the "new" features Verizon implemented. (Note: it's 6GB data per line, so if you have a line that uses more than that, that could be an issue but for me this would work)

 

[willmtaylor]

That's kinda high for only 2-3GB of data for 2 lines.

I just checked out TMO's website for 2 lines and 2GB of data, and what I found was surprising.

From what I can see, Legere charges the following:

• 2 lines sharing 2GB of data - $80/mo.
• iPhone 6S - $27/mo.
• iPhone SE - $17/mo.
• Taxes & fees - $17/mo
• T-MOBILE TOTAL = $141/mo.

That actually makes TMO the most expensive option, not the cheapest.

 

[timeconsumer]

I just checked out TMO's website for 2 lines and 2GB of data, and what I found was surprising.

From what I can see, Legere charges the following:

• 2 lines sharing 2GB of data - $80/mo.
• iPhone 6S - $27/mo.
• iPhone SE - $17/mo.
• Taxes & fees - $17/mo
• T-MOBILE TOTAL = $141/mo.

That actually makes TMO the most expensive option, not the cheapest.

I'm not sure where you're located, but T-Mobile offers 2 lines for $70 with 6GB data per line in select cities. Then of course the additional for the phone and taxes/fees.

https://www.reddit.com/r/tmobile/comments/4j7qhi/new_promo_plan_6gb_2_lines_70/

 

[ABC5S]

My current plan is $100 for 15GB data (+1GB bonus data ending sometime this year) and $15 per phone for a total $160 per month, or $40 per device per month. If I were to move to the "new" Verizon plan the closest plan I could move to would be the "XL" plan which would give me 16GB of data for $90 then $20 per phone which would be $170 per month. This moves my monthly cost per device to $42.50 so I would say you're 100% accurate when you state that the $50 per line is the target.

However, once my 1GB bonus data wears off, the extra $10 per month would bring me back to the 16GB data along with carryover data, safety mode, Mexico/Canada service... Why can't those extras be included in my current plan? Like you said, nickel and diming until they bring me closer to that $50 per line.

I hope people vote with their wallets and Verizon loses customers. T-Mobile is currently promoting 4 lines for $120 per month, that's really difficult to pass up as T-Mobile includes all of the "new" features Verizon implemented. (Note: it's 6GB data per line, so if you have a line that uses more than that, that could be an issue but for me this would work)

Just keep your current plan as I did. I am voting with my wallet in keeping my old plan. T-Mobil and Sprint is terrible in my area and Verizon is the best. I want the best.

 

[willmtaylor]

I'm not sure where you're located, but T-Mobile offers 2 lines for $70 with 6GB data per line in select cities. Then of course the additional for the phone and taxes/fees.

https://www.reddit.com/r/tmobile/comments/4j7qhi/new_promo_plan_6gb_2_lines_70/

T-Mo isn't an option for me b/c I'd their abysmal coverage here, but after always hearing how cheap they are and how expensive Verizon is, I wanted to compare what I currently get now with similar options, so I just went to T-Mobile's homepage and looked up their 2GB 2 line offering. $141 with data, phones, taxes, and fees. Yikes.

 

[timeconsumer]

Just keep your current plan as I did. I am voting with my wallet in keeping my old plan. T-Mobil and Sprint is terrible in my area and Verizon is the best. I want the best.

I do plan to keep my current plan, I was just posting my scenario to corroborate the post I quoted. However, the carryover data would be fantastic for those times I travel as I use more data. Also the service in Canada would be awesome.

T-Mo isn't an option for me b/c I'd their abysmal coverage here, but after always hearing how cheap they are and how expensive Verizon is, I wanted to compare what I currently get now with similar options, so I just went to T-Mobile's homepage and looked up their 2GB 2 line offering. $141 with data, phones, taxes, and fees. Yikes.

I understand, I was just pointing out a cheaper plan for two lines than the one you saw on their website. But once you start factoring in the phone monthly costs and taxes it's more than what you're currently paying.

 

[AppleFanatic10]

T-Mo isn't an option for me b/c I'd their abysmal coverage here, but after always hearing how cheap they are and how expensive Verizon is, I wanted to compare what I currently get now with similar options, so I just went to T-Mobile's homepage and looked up their 2GB 2 line offering. $141 with data, phones, taxes, and fees. Yikes.

I pay a little bit over that with 2 lines w/2.5GB of data with Verizon. So just a few dollars less with T-Mobile. Not really worth it for me. Plus I get no coverage with T-Mobile near my job or my home. Guess I'll be staying with Verizon for a few more years.

 

[Applejuiced]

Yeah, I wish I had the choice. Making the best with what I've got though.

Probably going to start saving up soon to buy phones outright and go with a VZW MVNO.

Yes, there's some nice deals on those lately.
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I just checked out TMO's website for 2 lines and 2GB of data, and what I found was surprising.

From what I can see, Legere charges the following:

• 2 lines sharing 2GB of data - $80/mo.
• iPhone 6S - $27/mo.
• iPhone SE - $17/mo.
• Taxes & fees - $17/mo
• T-MOBILE TOTAL = $141/mo.

That actually makes TMO the most expensive option, not the cheapest.

Your price is also with financing phones?
Try to stick to service prices since the price for phones would be the same everywhere. Just spread out with monthly installments.
I think you get the best deals on tmobile when you hit the 4 lines family plan mark.
Sign up for 4 lines and get one free. $120 bucks I think they're offering now.
I get unlimited everything with 14GB tethering included per line for $210 for 6 lines.
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I understand, I was just pointing out a cheaper plan for two lines than the one you saw on their website. But once you start factoring in the phone monthly costs and taxes it's more than what you're currently paying.

So you skipped the deals and specials and found a more expensive plan to feel that you don't get ripped off by Verizon?

 

[timeconsumer]

So you skipped the deals and specials and found a more expensive plan to feel that you don't get ripped off by Verizon?

I'm not sure I understand your post here. The plan I was mentioning would be $70 for two lines with 6GB data, or $35 per line. For two lines from T-Mobile that offer unlimited voice/text and that much data I'm unaware of a cheaper plan. The person I quoted said they found a T-Mobile plan with 2GB for $80 per month for two lines. The plan I suggested (if living in one of the select cities) would be cheaper and would offer more data. However, once that person started factoring in the phone monthly payment as well as other taxes/fees it would cost more than what they are currently paying. Therefore the T-Mobile plan I suggested wouldn't work for that person.

 

[willmtaylor]

Yes, there's some nice deals on those lately.
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Your price is also with financing phones?
Try to stick to service prices since the price for phones would be the same everywhere. Just spread out with monthly installments.
I think you get the best deals on tmobile when you hit the 4 lines family plan mark.
Sign up for 4 lines and get one free. $120 bucks I think they're offering now.
I get unlimited everything with 14GB tethering included per line for $210 for 6 lines.
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So you skipped the deals and specials and found a more expensive plan to feel that you don't get ripped off by Verizon?

No, my price isn't with financing phones, as VZW still does subsidies, but if I were to leave VZW for a competitor, that would have to be included, as I would need phones.

 

[Applejuiced]

I'm not sure I understand your post here. The plan I was mentioning would be $70 for two lines with 6GB data, or $35 per line. For two lines from T-Mobile that offer unlimited voice/text and that much data I'm unaware of a cheaper plan. The person I quoted said they found a T-Mobile plan with 2GB for $80 per month for two lines. The plan I suggested (if living in one of the select cities) would be cheaper and would offer more data. However, once that person started factoring in the phone monthly payment as well as other taxes/fees it would cost more than what they are currently paying. Therefore the T-Mobile plan I suggested wouldn't work for that person.

Not sure if the comparison was alike.
2G share plan?
I don't even think tmobile does sharing plans.
It's easier and more accurate to compare just service. Devices will cost the same spread out over certain amount of months the customer chooses various down payments,device options and storage will vary. That's where it gets complicated.
Taxes will be the same no matter what carrier you use, they all charge the same governments fees.

You can manipulate the numbers if you start throwing in phones and payments, 128Gb options or zero down device financing. Get what I'm saying?
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No, my price isn't with financing phones, as VZW still does subsidies, but if I were to leave VZW for a competitor, that would have to be included, as I would need phones.

There you have it.
You're comparing apples and pumpkins
Pointless...

 

[timeconsumer]

Not sure if the comparison was alike.
2G share plan?
I don't even think tmobile does sharing plans.
It's easier and more accurate to compare just service. Devices will cost the same spread out over certain amount of months the customer chooses various down payments,device options and storage will vary. That's where it gets complicated.
Taxes will be the same no matter what carrier you use, they all charge the same governments fees.

You can manipulate the numbers if you start throwing in phones and payments, 128Gb options or zero down device financing. Get what I'm saying?

I get that, I just wasn't sure what you meant by "So you skipped the deals and specials and found a more expensive plan to feel that you don't get ripped off by Verizon?" because I mentioned T-Mobile's cheapest plan that I am aware of for two lines. I didn't skip any deals/specials, I mentioned the best plan that I am aware of.

As a comparison, Verizon's current plans that are similar to what T-Mobile offers would look something along the lines of:
4GB data $50 + $20 per line (x2) + $5 Safety Mode + $5 Mexico/Canada calling = $100
8GB data $70 + $20 per line (x2) + $5 Safety Mode + $5 Mexico/Canada calling = $120

On T-Mobile for the plan I suggested would be: $70 for 6GB data and includes everything else the Verizon plan includes plus more. A difference between $30-50 per month, I'm not saying Verizon is cheaper nor am I trying to find a more expensive plan... I was just trying to mention a plan that T-Mobile doesn't really advertise very well.

 

[willmtaylor]

Not sure if the comparison was alike.
2G share plan?
I don't even think tmobile does sharing plans.
It's easier and more accurate to compare just service. Devices will cost the same spread out over certain amount of months the customer chooses various down payments,device options and storage will vary. That's where it gets complicated.
Taxes will be the same no matter what carrier you use, they all charge the same governments fees.

You can manipulate the numbers if you start throwing in phones and payments, 128Gb options or zero down device financing. Get what I'm saying?
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There you have it.
You're comparing apples and pumpkins
Pointless...

TMO does have a 2GB share plan. It's on their homepage. I laid out the numbers earlier - $141/mo.

"Apples to pumpkins..." maybe.

Here's my original and bottom line point: I've heard many brag that TMO is cheaper than ATT and especially VZW. In many cases, this simply isn't true. For me to get the exact same VZW setup as my family has now with TMO, it would cost $35 more a month.

Now, your complaint is that I'm not comparing the exact same items (as opposed to replacing what I have now).

• TMO was $141 for 2GB, 2 iPhones, and taxes/fees.
• VZW is $40 (data) + $40 ($20x2 lines) + $43 (2 financed phones) + $16 taxes/fees for a grand total of around $140.

Point is, for me, TMO isn't cheaper and paying $100/mo. for VZW isn't ludicrous when one actually runs the numbers.

Too many maths.

 

[Applejuiced]

TMO does have a 2GB share plan. It's on their homepage. I laid out the numbers earlier - $141/mo.

"Apples to pumpkins..." maybe.

Here's my original and bottom line point: I've heard many brag that TMO is cheaper than ATT and especially VZW. In many cases, this simply isn't true. For me to get the exact same VZW setup as my family has now with TMO, it would cost $35 more a month.

Now, your complaint is that I'm not comparing the exact same items (as opposed to replacing what I have now).

• TMO was $141 for 2GB, 2 iPhones, and taxes/fees.
• VZW is $40 (data) + $40 ($20x2 lines) + $43 (2 financed phones) + $16 taxes/fees for a grand total of around $140.

Point is, for me, TMO isn't cheaper and paying $100/mo. for VZW isn't ludicrous when one actually runs the numbers.

Too many maths.

I'm pretty sure it's 2 lines with 2GB's for each line. Tmobile doesn't do this share nonsense.
So compare 2gb shared to 2gb each line.
You're adding devices into the math of one side but not the other butwhatever makes you happy.
You can keep your current iPhones and still use them and tmobile will pay your etf fees.
Now try the math again
Tmobile $80 for 2 lines unlimited everything with 2gb data each line.

 

[BigMcGuire]

Today is a new billing cycle. It REALLY pisses me off that Carryover can only be used after I use all of my allotment meaning I won't get any carryover the next month. It should be at the BEGINNING! Yes, I don't care if AT&T does this, I just think this is a slap in the face to me, a loyal customer. Yes, maybe I should have expected it, but, now that I'm not on contract with Verizon anymore, it definitely makes me consider a friendlier carrier more. (Fyi, I chose to go with the XXL when originally I planned on going with the XL - and yes, I know previous posters warned me of this, I'm just complaining).

 

[I7guy]

Today is a new billing cycle. It REALLY pisses me off that Carryover can only be used after I use all of my allotment meaning I won't get any carryover the next month. It should be at the BEGINNING! Yes, I don't care if AT&T does this, I just think this is a slap in the face to me, a loyal customer. Yes, maybe I should have expected it, but, now that I'm not on contract with Verizon anymore, it definitely makes me consider a friendlier carrier more. (Fyi, I chose to go with the XXL when originally I planned on going with the XL - and yes, I know previous posters warned me of this, I'm just complaining).

I know it's really kind of obnoxious that they operate this way. What they should do is allow for a rolling 12 month period of rollover. If they did that, I would give up my UDP.

 

[aneftp]

TMO does have a 2GB share plan. It's on their homepage. I laid out the numbers earlier - $141/mo.

"Apples to pumpkins..." maybe.

Here's my original and bottom line point: I've heard many brag that TMO is cheaper than ATT and especially VZW. In many cases, this simply isn't true. For me to get the exact same VZW setup as my family has now with TMO, it would cost $35 more a month.

Now, your complaint is that I'm not comparing the exact same items (as opposed to replacing what I have now).

• TMO was $141 for 2GB, 2 iPhones, and taxes/fees.
• VZW is $40 (data) + $40 ($20x2 lines) + $43 (2 financed phones) + $16 taxes/fees for a grand total of around $140.

Point is, for me, TMO isn't cheaper and paying $100/mo. for VZW isn't ludicrous when one actually runs the numbers.

Too many maths.

T-Mobile USA isn't cheap. They gained a lot of customers with their promos (paying ETFs) and aggressive pricing. But they started raising prices first with their true unlimited data plans.

Like I said the key number is $50/line average. and that's without a subsidy. that's the psychological target breaking point for "family plans" with consumers where they think prepaid may be the better way to go.

Of course those with 1-2 lines have long known prepaid was the better value for most of them. The math gets confusing once u get to 3-4 lines in a family plan whether to go to prepaid or not.

 

[Applejuiced]

T-Mobile USA isn't cheap. They gained a lot of customers with their promos (paying ETFs) and aggressive pricing. But they started raising prices first with their true unlimited data plans.

Like I said the key number is $50/line average. and that's without a subsidy. that's the psychological target breaking point for "family plans" with consumers where they think prepaid may be the better way to go.

Of course those with 1-2 lines have long known prepaid was the better value for most of them. The math gets confusing once u get to 3-4 lines in a family plan whether to go to prepaid or not.

I agree.
I think family plans with 4 lines or more will get you the best pricing.
With tmobile you can go as low as $120 for 4 lines unlimited everything with 6GB data each and then throttled currently.
If you have an individual line or 2 lines only it was always more expensive and better off going with prepay like you said.
I remember back not many years ago the normal was $100-120 for a single line with 2 year contract

 

[2298754]

T-Mobile USA isn't cheap. They gained a lot of customers with their promos (paying ETFs) and aggressive pricing. But they started raising prices first with their true unlimited data plans.

Looks like the "pro-consumer" Uncarrier is back tracking once again. Charging upgrade fees, but calling them " Assisted Service fees"

http://www.tmonews.com/2016/07/t-mo...grade-fee-launching-july-31-select-customers/

 

[aristobrat]

Not good to see a new fee. At least they offer a way around it --- just buy online from T-Mobile, or BYOD.

 

[Applejuiced]

Not good to see a new fee. At least they offer a way around it --- just buy online from T-Mobile, or BYOD.

Don't tell him that, he's happy that AT&T and Verizon don't offer any options to avoid upgrade fees
Back to looking for something negative to say about tmobile besides his usual that they don't get any service anywhere

 

[lordofthereef]

I just checked out TMO's website for 2 lines and 2GB of data, and what I found was surprising.

From what I can see, Legere charges the following:

• 2 lines sharing 2GB of data - $80/mo.
• iPhone 6S - $27/mo.
• iPhone SE - $17/mo.
• Taxes & fees - $17/mo
• T-MOBILE TOTAL = $141/mo.

That actually makes TMO the most expensive option, not the cheapest.

Afaik tmobile doesn't have shared plans and never did. This would be 2gb per device. Maybe minor, but worth noting for posterity's sake. You're absolutely right though. For just two lines tmobile hasn't been competitively priced for a while, at least not in terms of smaller data allotments (and unlimited is hard to compare since competitors haven't offered it). [edit: I guess this was covered lol]

It's worth noting that with binge on they have effectively given people a tiered plan for web browsing and then unlimited streaming. I stream about 20 gigs per month between commutes and the gym. I use about 2-3gb of "everything else" on my 10gb plan. I could probably do with a 2gb plan if I made an effort but since we have four lines it's cheaper not to.
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Don't tell him that, he's happy that AT&T and Verizon don't offer any options to avoid upgrade fees
Back to looking for something negative to say about tmobile besides his usual that they don't get any service anywhere

This also seems like it's for people not on their jump program, unless I'm misunderstanding. So... Join jump and then just pay it off right there if you want lol.

As a side note I wanted a mophie case this last "tmobile Tuesday" but the coupon didn't work. I called them up to see if they could just ship me one for $50 (half off) and they just decided to credit my account the $50. I can either enjoy free $50 or buy the product for $100 anywhere and effectively have paid only $50 for it anyway.

I don't understand this carrier loyalty nonsense. If they work for you, great. I will always try to go with the carrier that gives me the coverage I need for the dollar(s) I pay.

 

[2298754]

Don't tell him that, he's happy that AT&T and Verizon don't offer any options to avoid upgrade fees
Back to looking for something negative to say about tmobile besides his usual that they don't get any service anywhere

Legere attacked At&t and Verizon for the exact same thing.

I find it highly ironic that you would defend such a sleazy company.

And for the record, I've never paid an upgrade fee. I always get it credited back. Never been a problem.

 

[imlynxy]

Legere attacked At&t and Verizon for the exact same thing.

I find it highly ironic that you would defend such a sleazy company.

And for the record, I've never paid an upgrade fee. I always get it credited back. Never been a problem.

Agree. I'm with Att since 2006 and I was always reimbursed. Now we can see that T-mobile is the same pro-profit company.
It looks like T-mo is out of steam now. They slowed down network upgrades last months. Only populism. Buy pizza, catch pokemon and so on.

 

[Applejuiced]

Legere attacked At&t and Verizon for the exact same thing.

I find it highly ironic that you would defend such a sleazy company.

And for the record, I've never paid an upgrade fee. I always get it credited back. Never been a problem.

What legere does is his problem, not mine.
AT&T and Verizon are 100 times sleazier. That's proven multiple times over the years.
I'm not a passionate supporter of any carrier.
If a wireless company comes up with better terms and coverage that works for me I'd be switching without having the need to defend any particular wireless provider. Carriers make money off of us customers, not the other way around.