Carrier Verizon will require data plans to stay on a line for its full contract duration.

[Nautilus007]

Verizon is the most evil, corrupt and disgusting company out of all carriers. ATT comes in second but Verizon easily takes the cake. I know it's all business but they are taking it to another level. This doesn't even affect me and I still think it's absurd.

 

[cnotes2019]

What's the Best Buy loophole?

http://slickdeals.net/f/6964624-upgrade-and-keep-your-unlimited-data-with-verizon?v=1

 

[taedouni]

Verizon use to be the savior but now they're evil. This was to target the unlimited data users such as me. Now they're on an all out war against unlimited data users.

I may have to switch to T mobile.

 

[maflynn]

Verizon use to be the savior but now they're evil. This was to target the unlimited data users such as me. Now they're on an all out war against unlimited data users.

I may have to switch to T mobile.

Why? Perhaps I missed something but isn't this move only directed to people who buy the phone, sell it, then get a dumb phone so they can make a profit? I don't see how they're being evil by stopping people from playing the system.

This has no impact on me and I don't really care, since I don't buy iPhones from the carrier just to sell them.

 

[I7guy]

the reason i ask is line 1 only uses 1 gb a month while line 2 (mine) use 12gb if i upgrade line 1 to the std 2gb a month plan i can keep my unlimited and get the new phone

Ahh not sure. But it sounds like you need a data plan on line 1 albeit a small one. Plus you can potentially expect throttling.

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Verizon use to be the savior but now they're evil. This was to target the unlimited data users such as me. Now they're on an all out war against unlimited data users.

I may have to switch to T mobile.

Let us know how the switch works for you.

 

[C DM]

Your car insurance example has nothing to do with a cellphone period.
If your phone gets damaged,lost or stolen or you switch phones you will continue to pay for an iphone data plan for a very long time while using an old flip phone. Does that make sense to you?

Fun car analogies. Let's use this one: you finance a car, you decide to stop using it for whatever reason and go back to an old beater car you have, does that somehow suddenly mean you get to stop making full payments on the new car that you got, and somehow can make smaller payments just because you aren't using it and decided to use another car that you already had or got somewhere else? And there you go.

 

[jayes]

I have an iphone 5 on a VZN unlimited plan. My husband has a dumb phone. (My iphone 5 was HIS upgrade 2 years ago that he "gave" me so I could keep my unlimited plan). We were planning on doing the same thing this time around with his upgrade, but alas, that won't work per new VZN data rules.

So move on to Plan 2. I will take his upgrade and get the iphone 6. He will take my iphone 5. He will need a data plan for his phone anyway so that part works for us. But I don't want to go on a share plan as that would end my unlimited plan. So how would that work? Do I order a phone on HIS line and put the lowest data plan (2 gb) and then take it to VZN before it is turned on and make the trade? Or would I just swap out the SIM card from my iphone 5 and put it in the new iphone 6 and put the new SIM card in my old iPhone 5? Or is there a third option that works better?

Next question. We have a mini and a iPad 2. BOTH are on prepay at $20 a month / 1 gb data. Can I add them to HIS data plan and make HIS data plan a share and thus only pay $10 a month for each iPad? Husband would have 2 gb of data to use on his iPhone but I suspect he won't use much and certainly not 2 gb. That's a $20 savings. Not sure - can a couple have two different data plans? Right now we have some sort of family plan going where we share minutes, but I definitely have unlimited data on my phone and hope to keep it.

Appreciate any thoughts on the best way to go about this...

 

[rui no onna]

So move on to Plan 2. I will take his upgrade and get the iphone 6. He will take my iphone 5. He will need a data plan for his phone anyway so that part works for us. But I don't want to go on a share plan as that would end my unlimited plan. So how would that work? Do I order a phone on HIS line and put the lowest data plan (2 gb) and then take it to VZN before it is turned on and make the trade? Or would I just swap out the SIM card from my iphone 5 and put it in the new iphone 6 and put the new SIM card in my old iPhone 5? Or is there a third option that works better?

Next question. We have a mini and a iPad 2. BOTH are on prepay at $20 a month / 1 gb data. Can I add them to HIS data plan and make HIS data plan a share and thus only pay $10 a month for each iPad? Husband would have 2 gb of data to use on his iPhone but I suspect he won't use much and certainly not 2 gb. That's a $20 savings. Not sure - can a couple have two different data plans? Right now we have some sort of family plan going where we share minutes, but I definitely have unlimited data on my phone and hope to keep it.

Appreciate any thoughts on the best way to go about this...

You'll have to check with Verizon if they'll still allow you to get a tiered data add-on for the old Family Talk plan. If they do, you can order a new phone on his line and activate it with his phone number and just do a SIM swap (this is assuming they still use Nano SIM).

I don't think you can mix and match the old plans with More Everything so if you want to add the iPads, you'd likely need to separate yours and your husband's lines into different plans. My suggestion, stick to the old plan and just use the prepaid data for the iPads.

 

[I7guy]

You'll have to check with Verizon if they'll still allow you to get a tiered data add-on for the old Family Talk plan. If they do, you can order a new phone on his line and activate it with his phone number and just do a SIM swap (this is assuming they still use Nano SIM).

I don't think you can mix and match the old plans with More Everything so if you want to add the iPads, you'd likely need to separate yours and your husband's lines into different plans. My suggestion, stick to the old plan and just use the prepaid data for the iPads.

That's what I'm thinking. Can't have old and new; it's either all or nothing.

 

[jayes]

When I ordered the iPhone 5 in the scenario I described above I did it online. I had to select a data package for my husbands phone - a requirement - but I knew I would turn it off. I never turned the new phone on but took it to the VZN store and they swapped out the SIM card. It was never stated that my plan would change. I wonder if that scenario changed. Other than the fact that husbands line has to keep the data plan for two years. I guess I can do the same thing and see what happens. Worse case I lose my UDP. Or I can keep my iPhone 5 until it dies.

 

[I7guy]

When I ordered the iPhone 5 in the scenario I described above I did it online. I had to select a data package for my husbands phone - a requirement - but I knew I would turn it off. I never turned the new phone on but took it to the VZN store and they swapped out the SIM card. It was never stated that my plan would change. I wonder if that scenario changed. Other than the fact that husbands line has to keep the data plan for two years. I guess I can do the same thing and see what happens. Worse case I lose my UDP. Or I can keep my iPhone 5 until it dies.

You probably can do the same thing, but you have to keep $30*24=$720 on the line you ordered the phone on; according to the announcement the data plan stays with the line not the phone.

 

[jayes]

That is what I am hoping will happen. That I can keep my unlimited and he will add a 2 gb package on his "new" phone. Then we will trade phones keeping data plans with the line rather than the phone.
But the question I still can't figure out is what happens to our minutes. We are grandfathered I guess into some type of family plan. Can that remain ?

 

[aneftp]

Why? Perhaps I missed something but isn't this move only directed to people who buy the phone, sell it, then get a dumb phone so they can make a profit? I don't see how they're being evil by stopping people from playing the system.

This has no impact on me and I don't really care, since I don't buy iPhones from the carrier just to sell them.

Because they still force people to have smartphone data plans even if people pay full price. And no. It's not essential to have a data plan for a smartphone.

I am a techie and can literally shut off cellular data and be perfectly fine with a smartphone since I am around wifi 80-90 percent of the time.

I don't need cellular data that 10-20% of time I am not around wifi.

 

[I7guy]

That is what I am hoping will happen. That I can keep my unlimited and he will add a 2 gb package on his "new" phone. Then we will trade phones keeping data plans with the line rather than the phone.
But the question I still can't figure out is what happens to our minutes. We are grandfathered I guess into some type of family plan. Can that remain ?

You're not adding a line, the line is part of the plan without data. You are just adding a data package. Then you will swap the phones. If you were adding a line it would be a different story.

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Because they still force people to have smartphone data plans even if people pay full price. And no. It's not essential to have a data plan for a smartphone.

I am a techie and can literally shut off cellular data and be perfectly fine with a smartphone since I am around wifi 80-90 percent of the time.

I don't need cellular data that 10-20% of time I am not around wifi.

Well technically it's not essential to have a data plan, but VZW is forcing you, as does ATT and sprint. Not sure about tmo.

 

[C DM]

Because they still force people to have smartphone data plans even if people pay full price. And no. It's not essential to have a data plan for a smartphone.

I am a techie and can literally shut off cellular data and be perfectly fine with a smartphone since I am around wifi 80-90 percent of the time.

I don't need cellular data that 10-20% of time I am not around wifi.

Just as those paying full price for phones paid the same monthly fees for service as those what were on contract for ages, and it only started to change recently.

 

[aneftp]

You're not adding a line, the line is part of the plan without data. You are just adding a data package. Then you will swap the phones. If you were adding a line it would be a different story.

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Well technically it's not essential to have a data plan, but VZW is forcing you, as does ATT and sprint. Not sure about tmo.

Tmobile (when they used to do contracts and subsidies) did it the correct way. Data was mandatory if purchased under subsidy.

If you paid full price/Craigslist/eBay. Than you could opt of data.

 

[I7guy]

Tmobile (when they used to do contracts and subsidies) did it the correct way. Data was mandatory if purchased under subsidy.

If you paid full price/Craigslist/eBay. Than you could opt of data.

If you don't need data with iOS 8, tmo should work for you? Get a cheap plan and use wifi calling.

 

[brandct]

All this is doing is making me upgrade before the 24th and I will pick up a Galaxy S5 or a LG G3. I had been thinking about switching anyway but the iOS update and OSX upgrade had pretty much changed my mind.

 

[m3nphls]

So what happens if I want to flip flop the smartphone to another line on my account? does that mean I will have to pay 2 data plans?

 

[C DM]

So what happens if I want to flip flop the smartphone to another line on my account? does that mean I will have to pay 2 data plans?

Why? Adding a basic/feature phone doesn't require having a data feature/plan.

 

[markyr17]

So what happens if I want to flip flop the smartphone to another line on my account? does that mean I will have to pay 2 data plans?

No,

Only when you upgrade to a smartphone, whatever line you used to upgrade on has to keep a data plan for the duration of the contract.

 

[Applejuiced]

Fun car analogies. Let's use this one: you finance a car, you decide to stop using it for whatever reason and go back to an old beater car you have, does that somehow suddenly mean you get to stop making full payments on the new car that you got, and somehow can make smaller payments just because you aren't using it and decided to use another car that you already had or got somewhere else? And there you go.

Lets keep beating a dead horse
Its 2 different things and buying or leasing a car has nothing to do with cellphone service.
You dont have a 2 year service agreement with the dealership to maintain service through them and not go to another mechanic for your oil changes.
The cellphone contract has nothing to do with keeping a data plan but just to have voice service with that carrier for 2 years.
They make plenty of money with outrageous voice plans and texting plans and family plans not only with data plans. This is done so people with unlimited plans cant use another line to upgrade under contract and switch the phone over.
IMO verizon is the greediest wireless provider. And the way they're going they're taking away more choices and options from their customers and making it more and more expensive. "its the network" type of deal
I'd rather stay outside their network

 

[C DM]

Lets keep beating a dead horse
Its 2 different things and buying or leasing a car has nothing to do with cellphone service.
You dont have a 2 year service agreement with the dealership to maintain service through them and not go to another mechanic for your oil changes.
The cellphone contract has nothing to do with keeping a data plan but just to have voice service with that carrier for 2 years.
They make plenty of money with outrageous voice plans and texting plans and family plans not only with data plans. This is done so people with unlimited plans cant use another line to upgrade under contract and switch the phone over.
IMO verizon is the greediest wireless provider. And the way they're going they're taking away more choices and options from their customers and making it more and more expensive. "its the network" type of deal
I'd rather stay outside their network

And everyone is free to not use them.

 

[Applejuiced]

And everyone is free to not use them.

Exactly.
Just stating our opinions and making conversation that's all

 

[I7guy]

Lets keep beating a dead horse
Its 2 different things and buying or leasing a car has nothing to do with cellphone service.
You dont have a 2 year service agreement with the dealership to maintain service through them and not go to another mechanic for your oil changes.
The cellphone contract has nothing to do with keeping a data plan but just to have voice service with that carrier for 2 years.
They make plenty of money with outrageous voice plans and texting plans and family plans not only with data plans. This is done so people with unlimited plans cant use another line to upgrade under contract and switch the phone over.
IMO verizon is the greediest wireless provider. And the way they're going they're taking away more choices and options from their customers and making it more and more expensive. "its the network" type of deal
I'd rather stay outside their network

Doesn't ATT and make you do the same thing? I don't know...just asking. If you buy a phone and then move the phone to another line you are allowed to drop the data plan on ATT?

This new TOS doesn't bother me in the least, I'm not sure why it bothers you as you don't even have a horse in this race.