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Carrier Verizon will require data plans to stay on a line for its full contract duration.

I7guy said:
Doesn't ATT and make you do the same thing? I don't know...just asking. If you buy a phone and then move the phone to another line you are allowed to drop the data plan on ATT?

This new TOS doesn't bother me in the least, I'm not sure why it bothers you as you don't even have a horse in this race.:cool:
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No, not yet by AT&T. But with this smooth move by Verizon I wouldn't be surprised if they copy the same exact policy soon:)
Its not bothering me since I'm not with verizon but it seems like it bothers you that it bothers me:D lol
 
Applejuiced said:
No, not yet by AT&T. But with this smooth move by Verizon I wouldn't be surprised if they copy the same exact policy soon:)
Its not bothering me since I'm not with verizon but it seems like it bothers you that it bothers me:D lol
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Well you are a bit over vocal, but I'm not bothered by this policy since I didn't do that anyhow.
 
Yes AT&T is not that far behind either.
Thinking about pulling the plug on them soon and going to Tmobile but not sure how good the coverage and data speeds are in my area.
Might have to do that 1 week Tmobile free test drive.
 
Applejuiced said:
Yes AT&T is not that far behind either.
Thinking about pulling the plug on them soon and going to Tmobile but not sure how good the coverage and data speeds are in my area.
Might have to do that 1 week Tmobile free test drive.
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Just for S&G I was thinking the same thing. The thing is the VZW coverage map shows superb coverage at my location, in reality though coverage stinks. Tmo shows the same superb coverage so I'm not hopeful as the tower is the same tower that supports VZW.
 
i'm still on the old AT&T familytalk plan with 2 smartphones and 2 dumb phones...was planning to pull this stunt come september since the dumbphones are coming out of contract...hope AT&T implementation comes after sept!
 
I7guy said:
Just for S&G I was thinking the same thing. The thing is the VZW coverage map shows superb coverage at my location, in reality though coverage stinks. Tmo shows the same superb coverage so I'm not hopeful as the tower is the same tower that supports VZW.
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Yeah those coverage maps are pretty misleading in general from most carriers.
I guess the only real test is to try it out at places you spend most of your time using data and making calls and see if it works out for you.

maximus96 said:
i'm still on the old AT&T familytalk plan with 2 smartphones and 2 dumb phones...was planning to pull this stunt come september since the dumbphones are coming out of contract...hope AT&T implementation comes after sept!
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I hope you're right man cause I was planning on doing the same but seeing this smooth move by Verizon then good chances are AT&T will do the same change right before the next iphone goes on sale.
FML:D
 
Can you do this with At&t with just one line and contract phone - switch to only talk and text and remove data plan? Most of the time, I have wifi around me, so I am only using few MB of data/month.
 
Applejuiced said:
No, not yet by AT&T. But with this smooth move by Verizon I wouldn't be surprised if they copy the same exact policy soon:)
Its not bothering me since I'm not with verizon but it seems like it bothers you that it bothers me:D lol
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I can't see AT&T following Verizon on this policy yet. After all, they did not follow Verizon's policy about no upgrades on all UL data plan lines and Verizon has been doing this for awhile now.

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gaanee said:
Can you do this with At&t with just one line and contract phone - switch to only talk and text and remove data plan? Most of the time, I have wifi around me, so I am only using few MB of data/month.
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You can as long as the line doesn't have a smartphone on it. All AT&T smartphone lines must have a data plan. I believe the cheapest data plan is $15.
 
gaanee said:
Can you do this with At&t with just one line and contract phone - switch to only talk and text and remove data plan? Most of the time, I have wifi around me, so I am only using few MB of data/month.
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If you switch to a basic/feature phone it seems like you should still be able to, but if you are using a smartphone then you need to have a data plan/feature.
 
How do I use a 5S SIM in a feature phone? and can you switch the plan online? The lowest option it shows is 300MB data for $5 less than current plan.
I previously had a 3GS outright, so did not have a data plan, may be because I was already out of contract when I got it.
 
maximus96 said:
i'm still on the old AT&T familytalk plan with 2 smartphones and 2 dumb phones...was planning to pull this stunt come september since the dumbphones are coming out of contract...hope AT&T implementation comes after sept!
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Verizon put end of August for a reason. They know new iPhone is coming out.

I would be shocked if ATT didn't match Verizon's policy in the next 3 weeks before iPhone is announced. They both follow each other. Just a matter of time.

By the way. I've flipped a Note 2 back in early 2013 when it was refurb for 1 penny at att. Waived activation fee. Sold it for $500. Paid the ETF (which was about $350/360 after taxes).

Easy $140-150 profit. Took less than 10 minutes to sell the phone on Craigslist. Met buyer inside BJs wholesale. Had to go get gasoline there anyways.

So "loopholes" will always be around as long as subsidy model is around.

Heck. I just used a "loophole" to close one of my att lines. Purchased 32gb iPhone 5S October 2013 for $299 on contract. So existing contract runs through October 2015. I immediately canceled the data plan and put flip phone on it. Gave iPhone 5S to my brother on another att account.

ATT let's people who singed contracts before January 18th 2014 if they signed up for att next.

So when Lg G3 came out last month. I signed up for att next on this line. Per att rule (and yes I confirmed it with the store and via 611). You have to make 2 next payments before you can cancel the line.

So making my 2 payments. On August 28th. I will cancel my line (will pay off lg g3 in full).

So I get to cancel the ghost line without any further ETF. Saves me 14 months of ghost line $9.99 (plus taxes) payments.

So this little manuever saved me $140 plus taxes in payments if I would have kept paying the $9.99 till October 2015. And saved me $325-10 months ($10). So I avoided the $225 ETF as well.

Take advantage of these loopholes while you can!

PS. I got in on the verizon unlimited loophole back in Feb 2012 (7 months after they supposedly eliminated unlimited data for new customers back in July 2011). Verizon finally shut down that loophole in April 2012.

http://www.droid-life.com/2012/01/0...erizon-this-trick-may-get-you-unlimited-data/

I have both Verizon and att service so always angling loopholes.

Sadly the biggest loophole of all time was closed back in 2007 or early 2008. I forgot. But for ATT premiere customers. For some reason they let some users (including me) get unlimited subsidized upgrades on any line each month. Now I didn't "abuse" that loophole like some people did. Some were buying 5 new phones on each line every month. I was buying a new phone about once every 4 months when I got bored with a phone.(and yes. This was the ultimate upgrade program!)
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http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php/1063515-If-Cingular-Premier-lets-me-upgrade-my-phone-weekly-What-happens-if-i-terminate-my
 
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aneftp said:
Verizon put end of August for a reason. They know new iPhone is coming out.

I would be shocked if ATT didn't match Verizon's policy in the next 3 weeks before iPhone is announced. They both follow each other. Just a matter of time.
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Yep, VZW is not stupid; although I'm surprised it took this long to tighten the screws.
 
I7guy said:
Yep, VZW is not stupid; although I'm surprised it took this long to tighten the screws.
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I think Verizon is just getting a little more desperate to get their remaining UL data customers off that plan and this is just another way to do it without actually taking it away.
 
Eileen89 said:
I think Verizon is just getting a little more desperate to get their remaining UL data customers off that plan and this is just another way to do it without actually taking it away.
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They probably realized after 3 years the remaining unlimited users have leveled off and not really decreasing as much as they thought.

And they probably see all these eBay ads from people selling these assumption of liability unlimited plans. That these unlimited data users percentage is down to a certain percentage that they had anticipated.
 
Eileen89 said:
I think Verizon is just getting a little more desperate to get their remaining UL data customers off that plan and this is just another way to do it without actually taking it away.
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I can understand some of the TOS changes, but the proposed throttling policy is downright annoying; although we'll have to see how it pans out over time.
 
aneftp said:
they probably see all these eBay ads from people selling these assumption of liability unlimited plans. That these unlimited data users percentage is down to a certain percentage that they had anticipated.
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I'm actually surprised that Verizon hasn't put a stop to doing assumption of liability on accounts with unlimited data. Who knows, maybe that will be the next thing Verizon does away with.
 
Well, this stinks. I did this loophole once when the 5S came out... added an extra line on my account for it now that I'm stuck with until 10/2015. This might force me into their "More Everything" plan or start looking into T-Mobile. I use my actual phone about 5% of the time and the rest is for data/texting.
 
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jasko said:
Well, this stinks. I did this loophole once when the 5S came out... added an extra line on my account for it now that I'm stuck with until 10/2015. This might force me into their "More Everything" plan or start looking into T-Mobile. I use my actual phone about 5% of the time and the rest is for data/texting.
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If you're thinking about T-Mobile make sure to do their free trial period first. I testing their service out now and plan on sticking with my AT&T service when it ends. T-Mobile has good LTE speeds "when" you are actually able to get LTE. Most of the time I have been dropping to 4G (still ok), then down to searching and no service. When I do manage to get a signal again it is only Edge which is too slow to be usable for my needs. You might want to see if the Best Buy upgrade method is still available Before switching to a smaller carrier and giving up your Unlimited data plan.
 
Eileen89 said:
I'm actually surprised that Verizon hasn't put a stop to doing assumption of liability on accounts with unlimited data. Who knows, maybe that will be the next thing Verizon does away with.
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Well I think that comes down to:

1. They aren't losing a line of service. The person taking it over is still going to be paying for it.

2. It isn't increasing the number of unlimited lines in circulation.

I'm sure they will get to it eventually, but I don't see any financial reason why they would for now.


They aren't even closing any of the "loopholes" that actually allow you to use your unlimited line's upgrade and still retain the unlimited plan. There are still two ways to do so, one includes using the upgrade on the uld line itself.
 
if I use the subsidized upgrade on the unlimited plan, wouldn't I lose the unlimited plan? Wouldnt verizon upgrade me to their shared everything plan?
JoshGlzBrk said:
They aren't even closing any of the "loopholes" that actually allow you to use your unlimited line's upgrade and still retain the unlimited plan. There are still two ways to do so, one includes using the upgrade on the uld line itself.
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nyc999 said:
if I use the subsidized upgrade on the unlimited plan, wouldn't I lose the unlimited plan? Wouldnt verizon upgrade me to their shared everything plan?
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Many verizon reps have been known to mislead (aka lie) about forcing people to the mobile sharing plans.

If you have half smartphone/half flip phones in your family plans the mobile shares are not good deals.

This maneuver by verizon just pushing people over to mobile sharing and making traditional voice plans less appealing.

Google "keep verizon unlimited data". You will find your answer how to keep your unlimited data and still get subsidy upgrade. There are more than 2 ways to do it.
 
Any update on whether or not they actually implemented this plan?

I was just in the store a week ago and used up my upgrade because of this rumor. The rep in the store said he hadn't heard anything about the plan to kill the loophole. He was really nice, and even offered to work the loophole to our advantage, so I don't think he'd have any incentive to lie.

If they aren't closing it, I think I'll return the phone and get our upgrade back so we can use it on the iphone 6.
 
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