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Does anyone know what Att HSPA+ speeds are going to look like?

Up to 40 mb down. I have a buddy that works for T mobile. More than likely it will be close to 20. I'm running 35 mb with cable on my iMac and my iPhone 4 can pull down 20 mb down now from my wireless router. To think that you can have that speed outside your house is amazing. Watch T-Mobile get the iPhone before Verizon. GSM.
 
This is huge... iPhone 4G will be here in June of '11.

"The best phone on the best network."
A total fantasy.

A Perfect match for Apples ruse... "It's Magical & Revolutionary".

Yeah... only to those who've been living with their head in the sand... :)

Look Ma! It's a bird, it's a plane, it's a... duh... I dunno?
 
Geez. I'm still waiting on AT&T to roll out 3G service in my area.

I was in the same boat until last June. Was dying for a 3G Verizon iPhone. Then one day, 3G was there all the way to and at work. Not a major city.

Life is good now. Could care less about Verizon now. Don't need LTE on a phone. Now an iPad, well, that would be, well, you know..... :D
 
Not totally true.

These are widely accepted as the fourth generation of cellular network designs:

1) Analog - first generation (AMPS, NAMPS and others)
2) First Digital era - Second Generation (GSM, PDC, USDC, CDMA) aka 2G
3) Second Digital era - Third Generation (EVDO, UMTS) aka 3G
4) Third Digital era - Fourth Generation (WiMax, LTE) aka 4G

That is, each of these networks internally and externally is very different from the one before.

Why the ITU had to step in front of the "4G" marketing freight train, I'll never know. They didn't make things clearer in any way.


Yea, how dare the International Telecommunication Union try to make a standard! I would much rather have the marketing people at the phone company make things up as they go along rather then the technical people that actually know what they are doing make actual standards for people and companies to try and follow.
 
Yea, how dare the International Telecommunication Union try to make a standard! .

I'll quote the poster "DanNeely" from Ars, he said it better than I did:

"The ITU is demonstrating its ivory tower irrelevance by issuing the 4G = 100Mbps definition months after the first wimax devices went on the market with a 4g label, and over a year after all the major telecoms started calling their wimax/lte devices 4g. They're also doing the same by pretending that an increase of 10x is irrelevant and that a gain of 100x is needed in order to be worthy of different labeling."

So, a big part of the BS that the ITU is flinging now is that they're trying to retroactively (and fairly capriciously) define 4G well after 4G was in wide use.
 
What would be the significance of the woman looking forward with rings in the background for that Ad? Do people get paid making these things?

The rings caused me to focus on her breasts.
I then thought "nice breasts".
Followed by: verizon4g = nice breasts
 
Yea, how dare the International Telecommunication Union try to make a standard!

You are right - "standards" are much better when the Apple Consumer Toy company unilaterally pushes them into the market.

:eek:


The rings caused me to focus on her breasts.
I then thought "nice breasts".

Followed by: verizon4g = nice breasts

As a gay man, I only saw colored rings. You need a life partner. ;)
 
90% of where I use my iPhone w/AT&T (home/work/around KC) I get great coverage. I also get 2 to 5mb down and the limited 1mb up at the house with 2.5 to 4mb down common at work, which btw is 3 bars inside a large metal buildling.

They can have their 4G BS, I'll keep my 3G HSPA, UNlimited AT&T plan ($30/mo) and not worry about usage caps. As long as AT&T grandfathers in the data plans no way I would switch to get bent over by VZW.
 
Based on Macrumors posts, I'd take issue with the "techie types" moniker. Most people participating don't seem to show a significant degree of tech savvy, unless you're setting the bar fairly low.

If you are on this board, you either have it or you fake you have it. Those that have it can spot the fakes. The sad part is the fakes cannot be spotted by those who don't have it nor fake it.
 
sounds like someone who is paid (very well?) to make crappy, irrelevant adverts.

so sleepy looking, non-attractive asian women speak to those with "social personalities"?

advertising is like a giant masturbation party, with people in a closed loop convincing each other that they are really doing good work.

they're not. this collateral sucks it.

You just managed to describe the entire Democratic Party in one post. Congratulations!
 
I read an article on CNN.com today about what 4G really is. It's pretty interesting, and confusing from a consumer standpoint. Interesting read:

http://money.cnn.com/2010/12/01/technology/4g_myth/index.htm

What's interesting is, despite citing that "4G is defined as a network capable of download speeds of 100 megabits per second (Mbps)", the link he provides does not specify any data rate whatsoever.

Few wired internet packages provide for 100 Mbit/s connections, it's silly to expect that from wireless tech anytime soon.
 
90% of where I use my iPhone w/AT&T (home/work/around KC) I get great coverage. I also get 2 to 5mb down and the limited 1mb up at the house with 2.5 to 4mb down common at work, which btw is 3 bars inside a large metal buildling.

They can have their 4G BS, I'll keep my 3G HSPA, UNlimited AT&T plan ($30/mo) and not worry about usage caps. As long as AT&T grandfathers in the data plans no way I would switch to get bent over by VZW.

Once again, you are comparing apples to oranges. AT&T's Data Connect plan has a 5GB cap as well. AND it costs $10 more.
 
I'll quote the poster "DanNeely" from Ars, he said it better than I did:



So, a big part of the BS that the ITU is flinging now is that they're trying to retroactively (and fairly capriciously) define 4G well after 4G was in wide use.

It is the ITU's job to make recommendations not standards. However it is my opinion that these people and infinitely more capable of coming up with a valid standard then every mom and pop cell provider in the world.

I do not know of any law thats says anyone has to follow these recommendations it just makes things easier when everyone knows what everyone else is talking about.

I never said I was happy with what the ITU is calling 4g I am just saying I am glad 4g is now a definable item. However it looks like every phone and ISP is going to continue to call absolutely everything 4g as nothing more then a marketing maneuver.
 
And that is precisely why we won't see an LTE-equipped iPhone for a couple of years.

While many other countries have committed to LTE, they aren't going to start deploying until 2011/2012. These carriers are currently building out their HSPA+ networks. The USA is the only major market where LTE is being actively deployed right now.

:rolleyes:

Stockholm has had LTE since Dec 2009 and the entire country will have it in less than a few more months (150Mb/S in urban areas and 80Mb/s counrty-wide).

From wiki:

On December 14, 2009, the first commercial LTE deployment was in the Scandinavian capitals Stockholm and Oslo by the Swedish-Finnish network operator TeliaSonera and its Norwegian brandname NetCom (Norway). TeliaSonera branded the network "4G". The modem devices on offer were manufactured by Samsung (dongle GT-B3710), and the network infrastructure created by Huawei (in Oslo) and Ericsson (in Stockholm). TeliaSonera plans to roll out nationwide LTE across Sweden, Norway and Finland.[3][35] TeliaSonera used spectral bandwidth of 10 MHz, and single-in-single-out, which should provide physical layer net bitrates of up to 50 Mbit/s downlink and 25 Mbit/s in the uplink. Introductory tests showed a TCP throughput of 42.8 Mbit/s downlink and 5.3 Mbit/s uplink in Stockholm.[4]
 
So does this mean if Verizon releases an iPhone in January that it will use EVDO? EVDO can't utilize the data and voice networks simultaneously, or am I not understanding that correctly? I always thought that was the big reason Verizon didn't get the iPhone in the first place. The experience wouldn't be as good not being able to do both at the same time.

If that were the case, then why was the first iPhone released with only Edge? It can't do data and voice at the same time, either.

And it still can't, for anyone not living near larger regions.
 
For those complaining about the price; wireless data costs more and it isn't designed to be a replacement for fixed line but a complimentary service so you have internet access on the go but when you're at home you use a fixed line service.
 
:rolleyes:

Stockholm has had LTE since Dec 2009 and the entire country will have it in less than a few more months (150Mb/S in urban areas and 80Mb/s counrty-wide).
[4]

Are LTE networks compatible around the world? Do they use the same frequencies?

Here in Germany three operators are going to start commercial service soon (Vodafone even announced to start by the end of 2010!). This is very quick, the frequency auction was only a few months ago.

But there are two different bands used; There is 800 MHz. This is intended mainly as a home broadband connection for areas where DSL is not possible (long phone lines).
There is also 2600 MHz, this is intended as a true mobile network. This will be deployed in urban areas first, of course.

As far as I know the current devices only support one of these bands. There are LTE-800 WiFi routers for home use and a LTE-2600 USB modem (that also supports HSPA and GSM on various frequencies).

What frequencies are used in the US? And in Stockholm?

Christian
 
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How can this article cause people to mark is negative? Oh I know because there's no iPhone on Verizon yet, right? LOL

Only an idiot would mark this article negative. Faster cell networks is a great thing. Haven't you :apple:-iPhone-fanboys been crying about bandwidth on AT&T?
 
Why is it so expensive? Verizon needs to cut the price of the data plan, cause I wouldn't pay $50 for 5 Gigs of data. If AT&T is smart, they won't follow Verizon on the pricing system when they get 4G.
 
Why is it so expensive? Verizon needs to cut the price of the data plan, cause I wouldn't pay $50 for 5 Gigs of data. If AT&T is smart, they won't follow Verizon on the pricing system when they get 4G.

Why wouldn't you? the purpose of mobile broadband is not as a replacement for fixed line internet but as a complimentary service - you have fixed internet at home and mobile broadband on the go.

Christ, if you think that is expensive I pay NZ$30 (US$22) for 500MB in NZ! it is not designed to compete with fixed line broadband - how many times by so many people does it need to be said before people stop making such inane complaints about the price?
 
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