Video Demo of What a 4" iPhone Screen Looks Like in Action

[Geckotek]

How is it the same ratio if the screen is taller? Why watch HD movies on something that isn't scaled properly.

Looks like you need a math lesson.

Let's start by defining the word "ratio"

ra·tio[ ráyshō ]ra·tios Plural

NOUN
1. proportional relationship: a proportional relationship between two different numbers or quantities
"The ratio of teachers to students at that school is 1 to 27"
2. mathematics one number divided by another: a quotient of two numbers or expressions arrived at by dividing one by the other

Next, let's look at what the aspect ratio of 720p is:

1280x720 aspect ratio would be the width divided by the height
1280/720 = 1.78 (rounding to nearest hundredth)
Another way to do this is to reduce the fraction to it's lowest terms
1280/720 = 16/9 (using 80 as the divisor)

Now, let's look at the aspect ration of the 4" iPhone screen:
1136/640 = 1.78 (rounding to the nearest hundredth)
Or reducing the fraction
1136/640 = 16/9.01 (using 71 as the divisor...this one isn't perfect)

So as you can see, both 1280x720 and 1136x640 have a (aspect) ratio of 1.78 or 16/9.

 

[Piggie]

Andriod is on 4 trillion awful phones that are cheap and sell to any random person that is willing to pay a lesser amount, for a cheaper product. Ergo, they have a higher marketshare (also note they have been available on many different networks forever i think?). Take this into account when saying that, or read this and realize it for the first time.

So what if someone does not want an Apple phone?

Perhaps they may pay as much as they could get an iPhone for, simply because they don't want one.

I'm getting the feeling you are one of these people who look down their noses at poor people who dream of one day owning products as good as you have.

Reality may be a lot different in that there are plenty of people who don't want an iPhone even if it's cheap as they just don't like the whole Apple thing.

 

[bretm]

By all rights, Samsung, HTC, Nokia, and Motorola should sue Apple for copying the 4" screen that they all had 2 years ago.

And of course Apple would sue back for the 3.5 inch screens they all USED to have.

 

[cmChimera]

Android has large marketshare because the market is flooded with throwaway Android phones!

There are some crappy Android phones but also some very good Android phones.

Andriod is on 4 trillion awful phones that are cheap and sell to any random person that is willing to pay a lesser amount, for a cheaper product. Ergo, they have a higher marketshare (also note they have been available on many different networks forever i think?). Take this into account when saying that, or read this and realize it for the first time.

You have no clue what you're talking about. Android has a large marketshare because it sells. There are some great phones running Android. The Galaxy S series, the Galaxy Nexus, the One X, and more. I don't really care why you THINK they are selling, and have a large marketshare, the point was that they have the marketshare.

 

[Zunjine]

The current resolution of the iPhone is 960×640. Going from 960×640 -> 1280x720 would be more awkward. Apps would have to scale in two directions.

arn

Plus there's absolutely no point in adding additional pixels to a display that's already so high PPI. You wouldn't be able to tell so it would be the very definition of redundancy.

 

[o0jelly0o]

doesnt make it less of a great device if it fits your needs tho + the iPhone 4S sells for 1€ here just like Android phones

Has NOTHING to do with the product meeting one's needs, it is simply the reason Andriod has a higher marketshare. If anyone fails to realize this, they may also want to consider jumping off a bridge because they are oblivious to simple truths, like humans can't fly.

 

[applefanDrew]

Does that mean text will not look as sharp?

It will be just as sharp. They are keeping the 326ppi.

 

[MacNut]

Looks like you need a math lesson.

Let's start by defining the word "ratio"

ra·tio[ ráyshō ]ra·tios Plural

NOUN
1. proportional relationship: a proportional relationship between two different numbers or quantities
"The ratio of teachers to students at that school is 1 to 27"
2. mathematics one number divided by another: a quotient of two numbers or expressions arrived at by dividing one by the other

Next, let's look at what the aspect ratio of 720p is:

1280x720 aspect ratio would be the width divided by the height
1280/720 = 1.78 (rounding to nearest hundredth)
Another way to do this is to reduce the fraction to it's lowest terms
1280/720 = 16/9 (using 80 as the divisor)

Now, let's look at the aspect ration of the 4" iPhone screen:
1136/640 = 1.78 (rounding to the nearest hundredth)
Or reducing the fraction
1136/640 = 16/9.01 (using 71 as the divisor...this one isn't perfect)

So as you can see, both 1280x720 and 1136x640 have a (aspect) ratio of 1.78 or 16/9.

But what ratio is HD that all content is now shown in? TV's and movies are not native 1136/640.

 

[o0jelly0o]

There are some crappy Android phones but also some very good Android phones.

You have no clue what you're talking about. Android has a large marketshare because it sells. There are some great phones running Android. The Galaxy S series, the Galaxy Nexus, the One X, and more. I don't really care why you THINK they are selling, and have a large marketshare, the point was that they have the marketshare.

Oh dear lord. No @%#$ there are good Andriod phones, I'm simply infusing why they have a larger marketshare into your narrow, feeble little mind.

 

[Zunjine]

The whole phone would be awkward if that is what it is going to look like. If Apple is going to make a 4 inch screen make it a true 4.

What on Earth do you mean? It's not truly 4 inch in what way?

 

[AppleInMyBlood]

720p is HD unscaled, HD sets sold are not downscaled, they are 720p not 640. Why would Apple say 640 is what television makers are selling?

What exactly do you mean by all of that?

Firstly, 720p, in terms of consumer electronics, is not "HD unscaled." It indicates a display resolution of 1280 by 720 pixels with frames displayed progressively. Sources originating in other resolutions are scaled to appear on a 720p display, just as they can be scaled to any other resolution. When you watch a 1080p blu-ray on a 720p HDTV, you are absolutely watching a scaled image.

Secondly, where exactly does Apple say "640 is what television makers are selling?"

 

[Geckotek]

Everyone is forgetting that wider phones are not very hot in Asian markets. So, the phone was designed to be popular in all markets and not just the west!

They seem to be all over the Korean dramas, so not sure how true that is.

 

[cmChimera]

Has NOTHING to do with the product meeting one's needs, it is simply the reason Andriod has a higher marketshare. If anyone fails to realize this, they may also want to consider jumping off a bridge because they are oblivious to simple truths, like humans can't fly.

Oh you've persuaded me now

Oh dear lord. No @%#$ there are good Andriod phones, I'm simply infusing why they have a larger marketshare into your narrow, feeble little mind.

Did you miss the part where I said I don't really care why they have the marketshare? And after that I said that the point was that they have the marketshare? You're wrong regardless, but it's a not a debate I care about.

 

[wutang61]

Looks good. Been wishing for a larger screen since the release of the 3GS.

Unlike 90% of the users on here I don't have the hands of a 7 yr old boy. So any increase in any direction is welcome. Would have prefered a 4.3" 720p screen but it's apple. And that's to mainstream. Many people I know steer clear of the iPhone just because of its small screen size.

Still waiting for common settings in the notifacation center. Still waiting a flashlight option. still waiting for a setting that disables the end call function of the sleep button. These are all things I jailbreak for year after year. Folders used to be one of my reasons as well.

Apple just seems to release features that are wanted for years by the community and calls it amazing. I just say about time. All apple does Is play catchup anymore with the market. They havent done anything that "hasn't been done before" in years now.

But never the less ill buy what ever phone they **** out in a few weeks. Im locked into iTunes and many many iOS apps. And I have no issue with apples iPhone. I just wish they would listen to millions of users that have great ideas for improvement. And yes. Look to android for ideas.

 

[o0jelly0o]

So what if someone does not want an Apple phone?

Perhaps they may pay as much as they could get an iPhone for, simply because they don't want one.

I'm getting the feeling you are one of these people who look down their noses at poor people who dream of one day owning products as good as you have.

Reality may be a lot different in that there are plenty of people who don't want an iPhone even if it's cheap as they just don't like the whole Apple thing.

I didn't fully read what you had to say, but I was not talking about money. I was stating that Andriod holds a larger marketshare because there are SO many phones one can purchase that has Andriod. Also, the average older person will look for the cheap option, hence Andriod purchase.

 

[AppleInMyBlood]

First, MacRumors, congrats on a clean video. Nicely put together and flows really well.

Second, I am excited about the new phone, and OS, but I think that's because I want a new phone and not to be stuck with my current one. The screen size doesn't matter to me, because I'm curious how the OS can utilize it. If they add this space, and then actually do something innovative with it, that would be nice.

I'll be getting it regardless. I just want to be able to play tiny wings without lag.

Ahhh, Tiny Wings.

 

[MacNut]

What exactly do you mean by all of that?

Firstly, 720p, in terms of consumer electronics, is not "HD unscaled." It indicates a display resolution of 1280 by 720 pixels with frames displayed progressively. Sources originating in other resolutions are scaled to appear on a 720p display, just as they can be scaled to any other resolution. When you watch a 1080p blu-ray on a 720p HDTV, you are absolutely watching a scaled image.

Secondly, where exactly does Apple say "640 is what television makers are selling?"

If I am going to by HD content form iTunes to play on my iPhone why would I want it down scaled.

 

[Geckotek]

Errr...you realized that this is the exact definition of propaganda?!? Make a statement that is absolutely true and combine it with something else to make an impression.

The sentence is meant to leave you with the perception that the screen is nearly as good as a TV screen. But actually any HD content will look bad on the display due to some weird rendering for the screen resolution (at least a good use for the A6 horsepower).

I realized that MR only talked about the aspect ration nevertheless the author tried to deliver a message about the picture quality being on par with Widescreen TVs and leaving the subliminal message that the screen is as good as those of the competitors...

...which simply is untrue and therefore PROPAGANDA.

And I'm allergic to that stuff. That's why I used so many

BS, perhaps your aversion to it makes you think everything is propoganda when it's actually not. (You think every weed is poison ivy?) In no way does it imply anything about picture quality. If that's the conclusion you walked away with, I'm guessing you walked in with a chip on your shoulder. I've known all along that the reason for 16:9 aspect ratio would be to promote media consumption. 16:9 is a natural fit for this and that is all the video is saying. Nothing more.

 

[AppleInMyBlood]

exactly. its their freakin job

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i love my apple products but i'd like to see them "fail" just once out of principal to get all those applefreaks off their high horse and to force apple to "revolutionize" again

i dont get those Apple is better than Samsung no Samsung is better than Apple crap at all, like 5 year olds.

Oh, Apple has had its share of failures. MobileMe, Ping, G4 Cube, that little iPod shuffle with no control buttons.

 

[o0jelly0o]

I want to take a moment to thank the Andriod fans who come on these forums, they wouldn't be as fun and exciting without you! But you might also want to check into seeing about that 'life' thing.

 

[bretm]

Looks like you need a math lesson.

Let's start by defining the word "ratio"

ra·tio[ ráyshō ]ra·tios Plural

NOUN
1. proportional relationship: a proportional relationship between two different numbers or quantities
"The ratio of teachers to students at that school is 1 to 27"
2. mathematics one number divided by another: a quotient of two numbers or expressions arrived at by dividing one by the other

Next, let's look at what the aspect ratio of 720p is:

1280x720 aspect ratio would be the width divided by the height
1280/720 = 1.78 (rounding to nearest hundredth)
Another way to do this is to reduce the fraction to it's lowest terms
1280/720 = 16/9 (using 80 as the divisor)

Now, let's look at the aspect ration of the 4" iPhone screen:
1136/640 = 1.78 (rounding to the nearest hundredth)
Or reducing the fraction
1136/640 = 16/9.01 (using 71 as the divisor...this one isn't perfect)

So as you can see, both 1280x720 and 1136x640 have a (aspect) ratio of 1.78 or 16/9.

Looks like you need a math lesson. You might want to round to the nearest ten thousandth at least to get YOUR math right. Try using 1138x640 and it's ALMOST perfect. About a quarter pixel off.

1.77777777777778 x 640 = 1137.77777777778 (roughly 1138 and only a quarter pixel off perfect)

1.77777777777778 / 1136 = 639 which is an ENTIRE pixel off perfect. 1138 is a MUCH better choice.

You want verification for that? Simply open up any image editing doc like Photoshop and create a 1920x1080 or 1280x720 16:9 image. THEN, resize the image with "constrain proportions" checked, locked, whatever, and make the height 640. You'll see the width automatically goes to 1138. NOT 1136. This is basic algebra 101. 1136 is NOT a perfect 16:9 image by any means.

 

[Geckotek]

If I am going to by HD content form iTunes to play on my iPhone why would I want it down scaled.

You wouldn't, but depending on what device you consume it on, it will be scaled either way. For example, isn't a lot of the media on iTunes going 1080 now?

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Looks like you need a math lesson. You might want to round to the nearest ten thousandth at least to get YOUR math right. Try using 1138x640 and it's ALMOST perfect. About a quarter pixel off.

1.77777777777778 x 640 = 1137.77777777778 (roughly 1138 and only a quarter pixel off perfect)

1.77777777777778 / 1136 = 639 which is an ENTIRE pixel off perfect. 1138 is a MUCH better choice.

You want verification for that? Simply open up any image editing doc like Photoshop and create a 1920x1080 or 1280x720 16:9 image. THEN, resize the image with "constrain proportions" checked, locked, whatever, and make the height 640. You'll see the width automatically goes to 1138. NOT 1136. This is basic algebra 101. 1136 is NOT a perfect 16:9 image by any means.

My math isn't off in any way and I clearly labled my rounding off. It's close enough to 16:9 and if you want to pick on one or two rows of pixels, well that's just absurd.

To be clear, NOBODY (including me) has said it's exactly 16:9 and being perfectly 16:9 or off my 1-2 rows will not a make a difference you will be able to identify.

 

[AppleInMyBlood]

Errr...you realized that this is the exact definition of propaganda?!? Make a statement that is absolutely true and combine it with something else to make an impression.

The sentence is meant to leave you with the perception that the screen is nearly as good as a TV screen. But actually any HD content will look bad on the display due to some weird rendering for the screen resolution (at least a good use for the A6 horsepower).

I realized that MR only talked about the aspect ration nevertheless the author tried to deliver a message about the picture quality being on par with Widescreen TVs and leaving the subliminal message that the screen is as good as those of the competitors...

...which simply is untrue and therefore PROPAGANDA.

And I'm allergic to that stuff. That's why I used so many

No, it's the exact definition of you misreading an article.

MR was saying the shape of the screen lends itself very well to 16:9 content, which is true.

As far as scaling goes, have you watched an HD movie on an iPad lately? Gorgeous, and scaled. Your statement "any HD content will look bad on the display due to some weird rendering for the screen resolution" just reveals your ignorance of contemporary scaling technology.

 

[Dwalls90]

But what ratio is HD that all content is now shown in? TV's and movies are not native 1136/640.

The pixel count by itself isn't important to be honest, it's the aspect ratio or resolution that counts. The new iPhone will by 16:9, just like HD (1080P, 720P)

But for reference:

1080P = 1920×1080
720P = 1280×720
iPad 3 = 2,048 × 1,536

 

[atarigraffx]

I'm not doing cartwheels over this, is it me or just bit of a wider screen not that revolutionary? There has to be more to it right?