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Video of "PC Free" Set Up of iOS 5 with iCloud

iMJustAGuy said:
Most all home internet is capped now but it's usually between 200 and 300 gigs. Why in the world is yours 30?
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The world is a big place, with different countries and different ways of life...

Many places have low data caps and painfully high (i.e. gouging) bandwidth fees. Canada is one of those places. I love my country, but we basically have a monopoly on internet providers (well, a "monopoly" run by a small number of companies) so they can shaft us extremely hard with low data caps and outrageous fees. :mad: And this severely limits the potential of cloud based services in many parts of the world. But... someday this will change...
 
gigemzach said:
I just feel that this is going to use A LOT of data. Not only am I capped on the mobile side but I am capped at home. I am not allowed no more than 30GB at home. I really love this idea, but am worried about the risks.
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you'll still be able to do cable syncing. just use wireless for small stuff i guess
 
b166er said:
best analogy for a lot of people on here. that is exactly what we're looking at right now.
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Why do y'all all welcome the Post-PC era so readily? In one to two generations you could have kids growing up with no knowledge of how the dumb terminals/technology they use works.

At least PCs (and Macs for those hung up on the label) give you the power of control to learn/innovate. I think that iPhone/iPad are awesome as companion devices, and even will become main devices for some older folks/computer illiterate... but to me they can't replace the power or openness of a PC.

On top of that, with a PC accessible file system I have local control of what data I want to have reside on a third party/company server and what data I want to control locally. It's funny reading MR split between these two camps, esp. the folks who act shocked that not everyone has unlimited Internet. My Comcast can download at 30Mb/sec down but is capped at 300 GB. It's easy to hit that cap with stuff like this.
 
palebluedot said:
Why do y'all all welcome the Post-PC era so readily? In one to two generations you could have kids growing up with no knowledge of how the dumb terminals/technology they use works.

At least PCs (and Macs for those hung up on the label) give you the power of control to learn/innovate. I think that iPhone/iPad are awesome as companion devices, and even will become main devices for some older folks/computer illiterate... but to me they can't replace the power or openness of a PC.

On top of that, with a PC accessible file system I have local control of what data I want to have reside on a third party/company server and what data I want to control locally. It's funny reading MR split between these two camps, esp. the folks who act shocked that not everyone has unlimited Internet. My Comcast can download at 30Mb/sec down but is capped at 300 GB. It's easy to hit that cap with stuff like this.
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I hear you, but not everyone wants to be a nerd. Most people don't want to be. They just want stuff that works, and even the best PC OS is a compromise.
 
I don't see myself ever not having a macbook or mac desktop, but with the whole "post-pc" thing, it really is just natural. I use my macbook less and less all the time now. I usually only get on it to do more intense video/photo editing. Everything else can be done on the go from my iPhone/iPad. For someone like me, who is probably comparable to an average user, I don't need a mac or a pc to do my daily routine anymore. Facebook, basic web browsing, youtube, email.... that's a typical day for me. And I usually do it all from my iDevices now vs my macbook.

When my parents were my age the word "computer" still meant a thing the size of a football field that required fission to power. And in the scheme of things that was not all that long ago. No matter what happens kids will always belittle their parents for being out of touch. I kind of welcome that in a weird way.
 
one downside to ios 5 is the large space that the firmware takes up. it is about double the size of the 4.x firmware. I love ios 5, but if you have a 8gb iphone or ipod, you lose alot of space
 
palebluedot said:
Why do y'all all welcome the Post-PC era so readily? In one to two generations you could have kids growing up with no knowledge of how the dumb terminals/technology they use works.

At least PCs (and Macs for those hung up on the label) give you the power of control to learn/innovate. I think that iPhone/iPad are awesome as companion devices, and even will become main devices for some older folks/computer illiterate... but to me they can't replace the power or openness of a PC.

On top of that, with a PC accessible file system I have local control of what data I want to have reside on a third party/company server and what data I want to control locally. It's funny reading MR split between these two camps, esp. the folks who act shocked that not everyone has unlimited Internet. My Comcast can download at 30Mb/sec down but is capped at 300 GB. It's easy to hit that cap with stuff like this.
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i think you're overestimating the size of the files that'll be passed. 300 gigs is a lot for photos, music and apps
 
b166er said:
I don't see myself ever not having a macbook or mac desktop, but with the whole "post-pc" thing, it really is just natural. I use my macbook less and less all the time now. I usually only get on it to do more intense video/photo editing. Everything else can be done on the go from my iPhone/iPad. For someone like me, who is probably comparable to an average user, I don't need a mac or a pc to do my daily routine anymore. Facebook, basic web browsing, youtube, email.... that's a typical day for me. And I usually do it all from my iDevices now vs my macbook.

When my parents were my age the word "computer" still meant a thing the size of a football field that required fission to power. And in the scheme of things that was not all that long ago. No matter what happens kids will always belittle their parents for being out of touch. I kind of welcome that in a weird way.
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Not long ago I thought I would always have a desktop computer for the "heavy duty" movie editing projects. The faster CPU's and the larger storage sizes of the the drives made it more practical. But now my macbook is good enough for the movie editing I do. So I can't imagine ever getting a tower again. I was considering a mac mini as an entertainment system device but given how well the Apple TV works, I may not need that either. So point sof view do change.

For myself I can't imagine being PC free. But my parents for instance would be just fine with an ipad. They are not going to do any movie editing. They leave that to me.
 
Post pc

These changes will indeed bring about the post pc era. A true pc (laptop or desktop) will never really be replaced (not for a very long time anyway), but as tablets grow in power and capability, normal people won't need laptops or desktops (pc). Seriously, for a computing appliance that does Internet, email, and even photo and video editing in a simple and cheap manner, the tablet will do it. And it will do it better and better over time. Only power users will need a pc. When I need to use photoshop or logic pro, or if I need to do heavy duty video editing or play fancy games or do science research I will use my MacBook pro or iMac. But most people don't do these things. And for everything else, I literally almost only use my iPad. There will always be normal people and pro users, and they have different needs.
 
stevenjev said:
I currently share an itunes account with my brother, it saves us having to buy and download two apps that are the same. With this iOS 5 update, im not quite sure how this will work.. Might it be possible to use multiple accounts, say for example, one for syncing documents, pictures, etc. and one for apps??
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This is the problem with all these changes coming. Apple is making systems for single people that are, idk, waiters or some crap job. What about families and those who work with another computer system? I need to buy 2 2TB disks for home at the moment, for storage and backup purposes. How is the cloud going to help that? And my office can't be synced up with an iPad, not like this. I'd still have to go the traditional ActiveSync and Remote Desktop methods for that.

Let's call this Post-PC alpha. Maybe we'll see beta in a few years, and by 2020 have version 1.0.
 
This is going to be so nice. I can't wait to go to the Apple store and buy my new device and have it set up with all of my data so I don't even have to go home.
 
Now I can see my self being semi PC free. I only use my pc to play WoW, Black Ops and portal, doing homework, and web-browsing during the school Year. During the summer I get out more and I tend to just use my Phone for webbrowsing. I am a Heavy Computer enthusiast However. I build my own rigs and my friends rigs for hobby. But 4 months out of the year I am pretty much PC free.
 
If any of the new APIs allow for on-device typesetting of latex-documents, I'm ready to pass on my aging MBP and try an iPad as my only device/computer.

Non-tethered setup/updates + iCloud goes a long way towards that.

(I'll probably end up with an MBA 11" instead but *ngghh* so close now.)
 
Hueyfreeman said:
Uhh android has had this feature since day one. Remember Android doesn't need syncing software. And if someone wanted to they could use double twist which also had a wireless sync for some time. I have to say apple has added nothing new this time.
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True... but think about this...

When someone brings home a new iPhone... and they plug it into iTunes (because they have to)... chances are they already had an iPod before. All their stuff gets synced to their new iPhone automatically.

However, when someone brings home a new Android phone... most people aren't technically savvy enough to drag a bunch of folders over to the phone... and/or manage their music themselves.

DoubleTwist? I know about it because I'm a geek... but it's far from being a well-known solution. Google Music and Amazon are great if you have an Android phone... but they are too new and still nowhere near mainstream.


Bottom line... every person I know with an iPhone had all of their music on it from day one.

My Android friends? They don't ever use their phones for music. I know people who have Android phones... and they still use their iPods.

I know that's just my anecdotal evidence... but it really rings true with the average consumer.
 
docorlando said:
The only potential issue I see with this is a situation my parents might have. They'd love an iPad, but understand that they can't use it with their current computer (an old G4 iBook). iOS5 will solve that, and I can see an iPad2 (or 3) becoming a replacement for the iBook, which is starting to slow.

Problem is: If they get rid of the iBook, what do they do if their local (home) wifi goes down, or they have to set up a new modem or router? Without being able to set up a hard connection (Ethernet) for troubleshooting, this would seem to limit their accessibility. Am I missing something?
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Speaking as an ISP support tech, decent providers will put wifi on their modems activated and WPA2 protected from the factory, these days. And we at least can get into the modem remotely for setup if necessary (after activation by the customer).
 
Michael Scrip said:
True... but think about this...

When someone brings home a new iPhone... and they plug it into iTunes (because they have to)... chances are they already had an iPod before. All their stuff gets synced to their new iPhone automatically.

However, when someone brings home a new Android phone... most people aren't technically savvy enough to drag a bunch of folders over to the phone... and/or manage their music themselves.

DoubleTwist? I know about it because I'm a geek... but it's far from being a well-known solution. Google Music and Amazon are great if you have an Android phone... but they are too new and still nowhere near mainstream.


Bottom line... every person I know with an iPhone had all of their music on it from day one.

My Android friends? They don't ever use their phones for music. I know people who have Android phones... and they still use their iPods.

I know that's just my anecdotal evidence... but it really rings true with the average consumer.
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My android friends I find it pretty clear cut. For some reason the Friends who use Mac Machines Don't have music on their phones. Hell they don't know they can put music on it. On the other hand the ones who have windows computers have tons of songs on their phones. I think the mac users are just so use to iTunes doing it for them. Some don't even know you can move music without it.
 
I thought they took out the old notification?

I just saw a whole video on the new notification center so why the old one popping up.
 
Hueyfreeman said:
My android friends I find it pretty clear cut. For some reason the Friends who use Mac Machines Don't have music on their phones. Hell they don't know they can put music on it. On the other hand the ones who have windows computers have tons of songs on their phones. I think the mac users are just so use to iTunes doing it for them. Some don't even know you can move music without it.
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You have friends really and these mac friends have no idea how to click on a Music tab or sync really, not sure about you but your friends sound imaginary. :p
 
ten-oak-druid said:
Not long ago I thought I would always have a desktop computer for the "heavy duty" movie editing projects. The faster CPU's and the larger storage sizes of the the drives made it more practical. But now my macbook is good enough for the movie editing I do. So I can't imagine ever getting a tower again. I was considering a mac mini as an entertainment system device but given how well the Apple TV works, I may not need that either. So point sof view do change.

For myself I can't imagine being PC free. But my parents for instance would be just fine with an ipad. They are not going to do any movie editing. They leave that to me.
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Depends on size and type of movie but you could actually do it on an ipad 2 without any problems. So who know in a few years a lot of things we could not see doing without a desktop may come true. :)
 
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