Video of "PC Free" Set Up of iOS 5 with iCloud

[Michael Scrip]

My android friends I find it pretty clear cut. For some reason the Friends who use Mac Machines Don't have music on their phones. Hell they don't know they can put music on it. On the other hand the ones who have windows computers have tons of songs on their phones. I think the mac users are just so use to iTunes doing it for them. Some don't even know you can move music without it.

Yeah... there are all kinds of people out there.

I know people who save files on their desktop because they don't know any better.

Or, they have photos still on their camera from a year ago because they don't know how to manage digital photos.

Files and folders scare most people

 

[aucl]

Most all home internet is capped now but it's usually between 200 and 300 gigs. Why in the world is yours 30?

mine is 9GB but that's cause i connect via 3G
(for less than 9eur/month)

 

[Winni]

All I can say is Apple is on the right track for the future. This is where it's at. easy setup no computer needed means faster upgrading and uploading and can be done from the office or your car while on the go.

In other words, they are now copying features that Android had right from the start.

 

[blipmusic]

mine is 9GB but that's cause i connect via 3G
(for less than 9eur/month)

I was lucky to get in before caps became the norm so my 3G connection isn't capped at all. Usually end up between 30-50GB/month (it's my only connection). I love the freedom it allows for.

 

[DennisVR]

My iPhone just got promoted to computer.

 

[fat phil]

i think you're overestimating the size of the files that'll be passed. 300 gigs is a lot for photos, music and apps

A valid point under normal circumstances, but remember that data is being pushed to the cloud via your account, and then pushed back to all your devices (and desktop/s).

And remember that you want to use that 300gigs for your regular everyday doings too. The more active you are with your syncing and photosnapping, the quicker that allowance is going to dry up...

 

[Biscuit411]

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Not long ago I thought I would always have a desktop computer for the "heavy duty" movie editing projects. The faster CPU's and the larger storage sizes of the the drives made it more practical. But now my macbook is good enough for the movie editing I do. So I can't imagine ever getting a tower again. I was considering a mac mini as an entertainment system device but given how well the Apple TV works, I may not need that either. So point sof view do change.

For myself I can't imagine being PC free. But my parents for instance would be just fine with an ipad. They are not going to do any movie editing. They leave that to me.

Depends on size and type of movie but you could actually do it on an ipad 2 without any problems. So who know in a few years a lot of things we could not see doing without a desktop may come true.

The only reason I use my computer is for pro-level audio recording/editing. Other than that, I'd be fine with a 'pc-free' iPhone. However, as a current and frequent user of all things MobileMe (web hosting, iDisk, etc.), I'm a bit nervous about changing to the cloud...

 

[Sparced]

How would someone get their broadband working with only a iPad?

You can't run AirPort Extreme settings as an App so we're not there yet.

 

[PlipPlop]

How would someone get their broadband working with only a iPad?

You can't run AirPort Extreme settings as an App so we're not there yet.

Most routers you can just log in with an ip address using the default usernames and passwords.

 

[fat phil]

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The only reason I use my computer is for pro-level audio recording/editing. Other than that, I'd be fine with a 'pc-free' iPhone. However, as a current and frequent user of all things MobileMe (web hosting, iDisk, etc.), I'm a bit nervous about changing to the cloud...

Well the cloud is opt-in, so you don't need to really pay it any attention I'd guess. MobileMe features will still exist, just under a different web address. I'm not too different myself, but I've been using dropbox instead of iDisk (iDisk is frustrating sometimes)... looking forward to seeing what people come up with using the iCloud API.

 

[Lesser Evets]

Well now iOS can run independent from a computer so they are now they are a legit computer themselves. Pretty cool.

Does this mean an iPad is now a full "pc"? Or an iPhone?

 

[Popeye206]

Well the cloud is opt-in, so you don't need to really pay it any attention I'd guess. MobileMe features will still exist, just under a different web address. I'm not too different myself, but I've been using dropbox instead of iDisk (iDisk is frustrating sometimes)... looking forward to seeing what people come up with using the iCloud API.

I think the announcement of icloud having an API was significant. Not sure what the intent is, but it could be very cool for 3rd party apps to take advantage of Apple's cloud.

Lion coming out at only $30 is also significant. Great price. The song pairing for only $25 is also significant. I know I have about 300 songs that would be nice to have converted. The only thing disappointing about iOS 5 is that we have to wait until fall.

Yesterday was a good day. It will be interesting to see what other treats we get before the week is out.

 

[aibo82]

Does this have the ability to select the apps from the cloud you want?

Also the option to set up as a new iPhone when your battery life sucks from a dodgy backup?

I have 100's of apps half I don't use, I don't want the cloud downloading them all for me to just trawl through them on the device to delete the ones I don't want!

It needs a list to tick of your available apps so it downloads just them!

 

[Popeye206]

love the no pc-setup thing on my android phone

And I bet you love the regular updates to your OS too. Oh wait... sorry.

 

[Popeye206]

Does this have the ability to select the apps from the cloud you want?

Also the option to set up as a new iPhone when your battery life sucks from a dodgy backup?

I have 100's of apps half I don't use, I don't want the cloud downloading them all for me to just trawl through them on the device to delete the ones I don't want!

It needs a list to tick of your available apps so it downloads just them!

Given you can select what Apps to update now, I would think that would still be in there. I would also think you could shut off the auto updates. Seems logical.

 

[fat phil]

Does this have the ability to select the apps from the cloud you want?

Also the option to set up as a new iPhone when your battery life sucks from a dodgy backup?

I have 100's of apps half I don't use, I don't want the cloud downloading them all for me to just trawl through them on the device to delete the ones I don't want!

It needs a list to tick of your available apps so it downloads just them!

I should think that's a basic requirement when they designed it - I can't imagine they'd ignore that most people have more apps than they do space on their device

More importantly, I hope this will lead to better tools/filters for singling out and organising the apps that we want to sync too. The current system is dreadful, I dont know what they were thinking. 450,000 apps in the store, and we're still limited to a vertical list... very poor considering how tight they are with their own "Human Interface Guidelines".

 

[Popeye206]

I should think that's a basic requirement when they designed it - I can't imagine they'd ignore that most people have more apps than they do space on their device

More importantly, I hope this will lead to better tools/filters for singling out and organising the apps that we want to sync too. The current system is dreadful, I dont know what they were thinking. 450,000 apps in the store, and we're still limited to a vertical list... very poor considering how tight they are with their own "Human Interface Guidelines".

Not sure what you mean in your second point about the organization of Apps???

On the iPhone it's a vertical list... you only have so much screen space. Also, there may be 450,000 apps on the app store, but you don't have that many in your account. If you are going for a new app you have iTunes to access the store, or if you're on an iPad you have a nice interface for direct access as well that is not a list. Seems you're taking the concept of App updating and mixing it with App buying.

 

[Žalgiris]

In other words, they are now copying features that Android had right from the start.

Can you please stop this nonsense? Thanks.

 

[dmunz]

True... but think about this...

When someone brings home a new iPhone... and they plug it into iTunes (because they have to)... chances are they already had an iPod before. All their stuff gets synced to their new iPhone automatically.

However, when someone brings home a new Android phone... most people aren't technically savvy enough to drag a bunch of folders over to the phone... and/or manage their music themselves.

DoubleTwist? I know about it because I'm a geek... but it's far from being a well-known solution. Google Music and Amazon are great if you have an Android phone... but they are too new and still nowhere near mainstream.


Bottom line... every person I know with an iPhone had all of their music on it from day one.

My Android friends? They don't ever use their phones for music. I know people who have Android phones... and they still use their iPods.

I know that's just my anecdotal evidence... but it really rings true with the average consumer.

I'm sort of in this boat. I've had an iPod since v1 and worked my way through all the editions of the touch. I picked up a Verizon Thinderbolt because it was a better 4G/3G hotspot solution for me than CLEAR. I started messing around with Android and it really reminds me of the old Palm days (neat in a geeky way.)

I have DoublTwist and it works great, but I just can't be bothered to sync all my stuff over. I have something like 48GB of music and a bunch of videos on my touch and it is too much work to manage it in two places.

However, the real barrier to change is the iTunes store. There is nothing like it in the Android world (yet.) The fact that I can get notolgic about an episode of the X-Files and go right to the store and buy it gives Apple a huge lead in service. The small size and over all solid feel of the iPod Touch helps a whole lot too. (Give me a 4.3 inch screen and a data connection and the touch will be perfect )

Oh, I do everything off windows boxes and have a company BlackBerry for cell serivce.

FWIW
DLM

 

[Popeye206]

Can you please stop this nonsense? Thanks.

+1

Complains it's not there, then complains it is there.

 

[fat phil]

Not sure what you mean in your second point about the organization of Apps???

On the iPhone it's a vertical list... you only have so much screen space. Also, there may be 450,000 apps on the app store, but you don't have that many in your account. If you are going for a new app you have iTunes to access the store, or if you're on an iPad you have a nice interface for direct access as well that is not a list. Seems you're taking the concept of App updating and mixing it with App buying.

That's not quite what I was getting at.

I mean in iTunes, all of your apps are listed in a window that scrolls vertically. You don't have any of the same features for categorising music, such as Playlists. How many I have in my account isn't the point - it's how many I could potentially have in my account (I currently have just under 2,000 apps, and that feels embarrassing -- one shoe does not fit everyone...) it's a lot to scroll through when looking for a handful of things to uncheck.

 

[Popeye206]

That's not quite what I was getting at.

I mean in iTunes, all of your apps are listed in a window that scrolls vertically. You don't have any of the same features for categorising music, such as Playlists. How many I have in my account isn't the point - it's how many I could potentially have in my account (I currently have just under 2,000 apps, and that feels embarrassing -- one shoe does not fit everyone...) it's a lot to scroll through when looking for a handful of things to uncheck.

Gotcha! Now that makes sense!

Agreed... some organization like playlists in iTunes for Apps would be great.

 

[SirHaakon]

I still don't see a way to remove/delete a song from an iPhone without using a PC. Is there something completely obvious I'm missing?

 

[Popeye206]

I still don't see a way to remove/delete a song from an iPhone without using a PC. Is there something completely obvious I'm missing?

That is coming in iOS 5... not out yet. But from what I saw from the developers that have it, they said you could swipe a song and the delete button would show.

 

[Dcuellar]

In other words, they are now copying features that Android had right from the start.

So what bothers you? That they are "copying" features?

Did Android have a smart phone before Apple?
What about App Store?
Or Music Store?
Tablet?

But I'm sure you are on an Android fan site busting their chops for all that, right?

All of the features announced yesterday I'm sure are features they have planned on adding eventually but have struggled with the idea of HOW they should do it instead of WHEN they should do it. Honestly, I'd rather they take their time and do it right.

Your signature says it all though, you are not a fan of Apple. Nevermind that they are giving us essentially a free cloud, Lion for 29 bucks, and features we've been wanting on the iOS...